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1. 07:20 AM - Re: CHT's (D.Hetrick)
2. 12:55 PM - Re: Jab 3300 no start after hot (Woody Sulloway)
3. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 no start after hot (Iberplanes IGL)
4. 03:54 PM - Re: CHT's (Peter Harris)
5. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 no start after hot (D.Hetrick)
6. 08:20 PM - Re: CHT's (D.Hetrick)
7. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 no start after hot (D.Hetrick)
8. 09:42 PM - Re: CHT's (Peter Harris)
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Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to
BCN immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter
motor on the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine
would not restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the
conclusion that the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor.
After running the engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of
course, increases the resistance so that all the current going into the
starter motor is trying to overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm
now looking for a replacement starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about
0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran
Via De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If
convenient, please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max
temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
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www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
Dale,
I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start again
after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years old, I
too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better than
spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple of
e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he
asked me was
did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed holes
drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed cooling air
over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition inspection is due
in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happens.
My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I
understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to make
sure that I have tried everything else first!
By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
Regards
Woody Sulloway
Trigear Sonex
Jab 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of D.Hetrick
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to BCN
immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter motor on
the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine would not
restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the conclusion that
the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor. After running the
engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of course, increases the
resistance so that all the current going into the starter motor is trying to
overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm now looking for a replacement
starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about
0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran Via
De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If convenient,
please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, Ive read the manual and it only says min and max
temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
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Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
Hello Dale,
No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can arrange
a visit and meal.
My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started the
engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I=B4ve read tha
t
we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If I get more
info I will published it.
Take care,
Alberto Martin
2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway <sulloway@clis.com>
> Dale,
> I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start again
> after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years old
, I
> too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better than
> spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple of
e
> -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he as
ked
> me was
> did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed hole
s
> drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed cooling
air
> over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition inspection is du
e
> in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happens.
>
> My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I
> understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to mak
e
> sure that I have tried everything else first!
>
> By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
>
> Regards
>
> Woody Sulloway
> Trigear Sonex
> Jab 3300
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *D.Hetrick
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM
> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
>
> Hello Alberto,
> Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to BC
N
> immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter motor
on
> the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine would not
> restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the conclusion th
at
> the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor. After running th
e
> engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of course, increases the
> resistance so that all the current going into the starter motor is trying
to
> overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm now looking for a replacement
> starter motor.
> Regards,
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com>
> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
>
> Hello Dale,
>
> Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about saturda
y?
> Are you living BCN on sunday?
>
> Let me know.
>
>
> 2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
>
>> Hello Alberto,
>> My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about
>> 0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran
Via
>> De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If convenie
nt,
>> please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
>> Thank you,
>> Dale Hetrick
>> Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com>
>> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
>>
>> Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max
>> temperatures.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alberto Martin
>> www.iberplanes.es
>> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Zodiac 601 XL Builder
>> Serial: 6-7011
>>
>> Tail Kit: Finished
>> Wings: Not Started
>> Fuselage: Ordered
>> Engine: Jabiru 3300
>>
>> *
>>
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.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
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-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
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>>
>
>
> --
> Alberto Martin
> <http://www.iberplanes.es>www.iberplanes.es
> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Zodiac 601 XL Builder
> Serial: 6-7011
>
> Tail Kit: Finished
> Wings: Not Started
> Fuselage: Ordered
> Engine: Jabiru 3300
>
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www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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Ale,
The problem is not the starter motor or the battery, it is caused
because
the engine gets very tight when warm.
The cylinders cool faster than the pistons and you can confirm this by
hand
propping next time it happens. You will find it very difficult to turn
over.
I have over 30 hours but still have the problem but I was advised by the
factory that this is a sign of a good engine. It would not be possible
to
restart my engine in flight. Even if it would crank it is too slow to
activate the magneto spark.
It is possibly also true that starter motors vary in efficiency.
We need to get best possible advantage from the starter motor by
mounting
the battery with short leads (if possible). I also found that the two
starter motor mounting bolts get very hot. They serve as an earth but
they
are fitted with Loctite and not well earthed. I added a separate earth
strap
from the brushes end of the starter motor to earth for some improvement.
Peter
_____
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
D.Hetrick
Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to
BCN
immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter motor
on
the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine would not
restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the conclusion
that
the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor. After running
the
engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of course, increases the
resistance so that all the current going into the starter motor is
trying to
overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm now looking for a replacement
starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL <mailto:iberplanes@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
saturday?
Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about
0930.
We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran Via De
Les
Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If convenient,
please
call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes <mailto:iberplanes@gmail.com> IGL
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max
temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.
matro
nics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
ist"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
a>http://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.
matro
nics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
Woody,
Thanks for the note. It appears that we both have the same starter
motors and the same problem. However, during the build I drilled the
holes that Pete mentioned and still have the problem. In talking with
Pete he said that the Bosch starters have been replaced with
Nippon-Denso's so the factory must be aware of the problem. He also
said that replacement starters were priced at about $685. If we can
find a model number we could start looking for a used replacement. Pete
said that some of the smaller diesels may be using them.
Did you change your alternator?
Regards,
Dale
---- Original Message -----
From: Woody Sulloway
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:52 PM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot
Dale,
I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start
again after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4
years old, I too bought a new one, even though the old battery load
tested better than spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I
have had a couple of e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA.
One of the questions he asked me was
did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed
holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed
cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition
inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what
happens.
My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I
understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to
make sure that I have tried everything else first!
By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
Regards
Woody Sulloway
Trigear Sonex
Jab 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
D.Hetrick
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight
to BCN immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the
starter motor on the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the
engine would not restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached
the conclusion that the problem is not the batteries but the starter
motor. After running the engine the starter motor gets very hot. This,
of course, increases the resistance so that all the current going into
the starter motor is trying to overcome the high resistance. Anyway,
I'm now looking for a replacement starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at
about 0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central"
Gran Via De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If
convenient, please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and
max temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.
matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
ist"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
a>http://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
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Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
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Peter,
Pete at Jabiru USA also suggested the grounding strap. I may try that
approach.
Thanks,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Ale,
The problem is not the starter motor or the battery, it is caused
because the engine gets very tight when warm.
The cylinders cool faster than the pistons and you can confirm this by
hand propping next time it happens. You will find it very difficult to
turn over. I have over 30 hours but still have the problem but I was
advised by the factory that this is a sign of a good engine. It would
not be possible to restart my engine in flight. Even if it would crank
it is too slow to activate the magneto spark.
It is possibly also true that starter motors vary in efficiency.
We need to get best possible advantage from the starter motor by
mounting the battery with short leads (if possible). I also found that
the two starter motor mounting bolts get very hot. They serve as an
earth but they are fitted with Loctite and not well earthed. I added a
separate earth strap from the brushes end of the starter motor to earth
for some improvement.
Peter
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-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
D.Hetrick
Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 11:31 PM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to
BCN immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter
motor on the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine
would not restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the
conclusion that the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor.
After running the engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of
course, increases the resistance so that all the current going into the
starter motor is trying to overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm
now looking for a replacement starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about
0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran
Via De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If
convenient, please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max
temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Martin,
Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is
the US don't seem to be aware of it.
Thanks,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot
Hello Dale,
No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can
arrange a visit and meal.
My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started
the engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I=B4ve
read that we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If
I get more info I will published it.
Take care,
Alberto Martin
2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway <sulloway@clis.com>
Dale,
I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start
again after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4
years old, I too bought a new one, even though the old battery load
tested better than spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I
have had a couple of e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA.
One of the questions he asked me was
did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed
holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed
cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition
inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what
happens.
My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004.
I understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to
make sure that I have tried everything else first!
By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
Regards
Woody Sulloway
Trigear Sonex
Jab 3300
-----Original Message-----
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D.Hetrick
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a
flight to BCN immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the
starter motor on the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the
engine would not restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached
the conclusion that the problem is not the batteries but the starter
motor. After running the engine the starter motor gets very hot. This,
of course, increases the resistance so that all the current going into
the starter motor is trying to overcome the high resistance. Anyway,
I'm now looking for a replacement starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What
about saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at
about 0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central"
Gran Via De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If
convenient, please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min
and max temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Ade
Also check for a tight motor when hand propping hot.
Peter
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[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
D.Hetrick
Sent: Monday, 28 July 2008 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Peter,
Pete at Jabiru USA also suggested the grounding strap. I may try that
approach.
Thanks,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter <mailto:peterjfharris@bigpond.com> Harris
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Ale,
The problem is not the starter motor or the battery, it is caused
because
the engine gets very tight when warm.
The cylinders cool faster than the pistons and you can confirm this by
hand
propping next time it happens. You will find it very difficult to turn
over.
I have over 30 hours but still have the problem but I was advised by the
factory that this is a sign of a good engine. It would not be possible
to
restart my engine in flight. Even if it would crank it is too slow to
activate the magneto spark.
It is possibly also true that starter motors vary in efficiency.
We need to get best possible advantage from the starter motor by
mounting
the battery with short leads (if possible). I also found that the two
starter motor mounting bolts get very hot. They serve as an earth but
they
are fitted with Loctite and not well earthed. I added a separate earth
strap
from the brushes end of the starter motor to earth for some improvement.
Peter
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Sent: Sunday, 27 July 2008 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to
BCN
immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter motor
on
the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine would not
restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the conclusion
that
the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor. After running
the
engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of course, increases the
resistance so that all the current going into the starter motor is
trying to
overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm now looking for a replacement
starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL <mailto:iberplanes@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
saturday?
Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about
0930.
We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran Via De
Les
Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If convenient,
please
call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes <mailto:iberplanes@gmail.com> IGL
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max
temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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