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2. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 no start after hot (James, Clive R)
3. 11:38 PM - FW: Barrel Nuts (Peter Harris)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
not 100 % sure, but I believe it was on an builder website. I=B4m re-checki
ng
my favorites website and I=B4ll let you know
take care,
Albert Martin
2008/7/28 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>
> Martin,
> Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is the
> US don't seem to be aware of it.
> Thanks,
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com>
> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot
>
> Hello Dale,
>
> No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can arran
ge
> a visit and meal.
>
> My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started the
> engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I=B4ve read t
hat
> we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If I get more
> info I will published it.
>
> Take care,
>
> Alberto Martin
>
>
> 2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway <sulloway@clis.com>
>
>> Dale,
>> I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start agai
n
>> after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years ol
d, I
>> too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better tha
n
>> spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple o
f e
>> -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he a
sked
>> me was
>> did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed
>> holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed
>> cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition
>> inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happ
ens.
>>
>> My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I
>> understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to ma
ke
>> sure that I have tried everything else first!
>>
>> By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Woody Sulloway
>> Trigear Sonex
>> Jab 3300
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *D.Hetrick
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM
>> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
>>
>> Hello Alberto,
>> Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to B
CN
>> immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter motor
on
>> the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine would not
>> restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the conclusion t
hat
>> the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor. After running t
he
>> engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of course, increases the
>> resistance so that all the current going into the starter motor is tryin
g to
>> overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm now looking for a replacement
>> starter motor.
>> Regards,
>> Dale
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com>
>> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
>>
>> Hello Dale,
>>
>> Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
>> saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday?
>>
>> Let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
>>
>>> Hello Alberto,
>>> My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about
>>> 0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran
Via
>>> De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If conveni
ent,
>>> please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Dale Hetrick
>>> Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
>>>
>>> Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max
>>> temperatures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alberto Martin
>>> www.iberplanes.es
>>> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> Zodiac 601 XL Builder
>>> Serial: 6-7011
>>>
>>> Tail Kit: Finished
>>> Wings: Not Started
>>> Fuselage: Ordered
>>> Engine: Jabiru 3300
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Alberto Martin
>> <http://www.iberplanes.es>www.iberplanes.es
>> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Zodiac 601 XL Builder
>> Serial: 6-7011
>>
>> Tail Kit: Finished
>> Wings: Not Started
>> Fuselage: Ordered
>> Engine: Jabiru 3300
>>
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> --
> Alberto Martin
> <http://www.iberplanes.es>www.iberplanes.es
> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
>
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> Serial: 6-7011
>
> Tail Kit: Finished
> Wings: Not Started
> Fuselage: Ordered
> Engine: Jabiru 3300
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www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot |
The later 'silver' starter motors are wound differently and seem capable
of turning the engine over more smartly for a given battery voltage.
Certainly I have both on two different engines and the 'silver' one will
crank the engine over when almost flat, whereas the black one shows a
low battery charge up by stopping the engine from cranking up fast
enough to start. Generally that's a cold day in winter.
The difficulty with a hot start is unlikely to be that however, IMHO.
Regards, Clive
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Iberplanes IGL
Sent: 29 July 2008 14:25
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot
not 100 % sure, but I believe it was on an builder website. I=B4m
re-checking my favorites website and I=B4ll let you know
take care,
Albert Martin
2008/7/28 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>
Martin,
Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is
the US don't seem to be aware of it.
Thanks,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL <mailto:iberplanes@gmail.com>
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot
Hello Dale,
No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can
arrange a visit and meal.
My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started
the engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I=B4ve
read that we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If
I get more info I will published it.
Take care,
Alberto Martin
2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway <sulloway@clis.com>
Dale,
I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start
again after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4
years old, I too bought a new one, even though the old battery load
tested better than spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I
have had a couple of e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA.
One of the questions he asked me was
did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed
holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed
cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition
inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what
happens.
My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I
understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to
make sure that I have tried everything else first!
By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator.
Regards
Woody Sulloway
Trigear Sonex
Jab 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
D.Hetrick
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Alberto,
Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight
to BCN immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the
starter motor on the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the
engine would not restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached
the conclusion that the problem is not the batteries but the starter
motor. After running the engine the starter motor gets very hot. This,
of course, increases the resistance so that all the current going into
the starter motor is trying to overcome the high resistance. Anyway,
I'm now looking for a replacement starter motor.
Regards,
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL <mailto:iberplanes@gmail.com>
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Hello Dale,
Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about
saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday?
Let me know.
2008/7/16 D.Hetrick <gdh@isp.com>:
Hello Alberto,
My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at
about 0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central"
Gran Via De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If
convenient, please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday.
Thank you,
Dale Hetrick
Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL <mailto:iberplanes@gmail.com>
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's
Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max
temperatures.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
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Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.
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www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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Clive,
I got the response below from Jabiru engine engineer Doug Smith.
It looks as if the barrel nut mod is for another issue and not for the tight
engine.
The tight engine for me is an issue only when the engine stops and the
barrels cool faster than the pistons. When running the tolerances appear to
be OK and it will idle down to 800RPM.
Peter
_____
From: Doug Smith [mailto:dougs@jabiru.net.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: Barrel Nuts
Dear Peter,
There is a mod, much as described, which we have informed our engine
specialists about. However, it is not necessary on all, or even many,
engines - it is a fix if a low-hour engine is using excessive oil, has poor
leak-down results, high blow-by etc. It is basically a tolerancing issue -
on some engines the nuts ride slightly up on the radius of the barrel but on
the majority of engines they do not. The mod does not affect the tightness
of the engine. I'd add that it is a very dangerous task to undertake in the
backyard - it is far too easy to over-torque an engine through-bolt which
will result in an engine failure down the track. If it is to be done it
must be done by an approved Jabiru engine man, and it's not worth thinking
about unless the engine has the symptoms mentioned above.
Regards,
Doug Smith
Engineer, Jabiru Aircraft
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