---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/29/08: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 no start after hot (Iberplanes IGL) 2. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Jab 3300 no start after hot (James, Clive R) 3. 11:38 PM - FW: Barrel Nuts (Peter Harris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:29 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot not 100 % sure, but I believe it was on an builder website. I=B4m re-checki ng my favorites website and I=B4ll let you know take care, Albert Martin 2008/7/28 D.Hetrick > Martin, > Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is the > US don't seem to be aware of it. > Thanks, > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Iberplanes IGL > *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:31 PM > *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot > > Hello Dale, > > No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can arran ge > a visit and meal. > > My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started the > engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I=B4ve read t hat > we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If I get more > info I will published it. > > Take care, > > Alberto Martin > > > 2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway > >> Dale, >> I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start agai n >> after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years ol d, I >> too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better tha n >> spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple o f e >> -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he a sked >> me was >> did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed >> holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed >> cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition >> inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happ ens. >> >> My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I >> understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to ma ke >> sure that I have tried everything else first! >> >> By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator. >> >> Regards >> >> Woody Sulloway >> Trigear Sonex >> Jab 3300 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *D.Hetrick >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM >> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's >> >> Hello Alberto, >> Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to B CN >> immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter motor on >> the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine would not >> restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the conclusion t hat >> the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor. After running t he >> engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of course, increases the >> resistance so that all the current going into the starter motor is tryin g to >> overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm now looking for a replacement >> starter motor. >> Regards, >> Dale >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Iberplanes IGL >> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM >> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's >> >> Hello Dale, >> >> Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about >> saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday? >> >> Let me know. >> >> >> >> 2008/7/16 D.Hetrick : >> >>> Hello Alberto, >>> My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about >>> 0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran Via >>> De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If conveni ent, >>> please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday. >>> Thank you, >>> Dale Hetrick >>> Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Iberplanes IGL >>> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's >>> >>> Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max >>> temperatures. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alberto Martin >>> www.iberplanes.es >>> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> Zodiac 601 XL Builder >>> Serial: 6-7011 >>> >>> Tail Kit: Finished >>> Wings: Not Started >>> Fuselage: Ordered >>> Engine: Jabiru 3300 >>> >>> * >>> >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >>> >>> >>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com /c >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> ist" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >>> >>> >>> a> http://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank"> http://www.matronics.co m/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto Martin >> www.iberplanes.es >> Igualada - Barcelona - Spain >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Zodiac 601 XL Builder >> Serial: 6-7011 >> >> Tail Kit: Finished >> Wings: Not Started >> Fuselage: Ordered >> Engine: Jabiru 3300 >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c* >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ c* >> >> * >> >> ist" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >> a> http://forums.matronics.com >> _blank"> http://www.matronics.com /contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Alberto Martin > www.iberplanes.es > Igualada - Barcelona - Spain > > ---------------------------------------------- > Zodiac 601 XL Builder > Serial: 6-7011 > > Tail Kit: Finished > Wings: Not Started > Fuselage: Ordered > Engine: Jabiru 3300 > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== /www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot From: "James, Clive R" The later 'silver' starter motors are wound differently and seem capable of turning the engine over more smartly for a given battery voltage. Certainly I have both on two different engines and the 'silver' one will crank the engine over when almost flat, whereas the black one shows a low battery charge up by stopping the engine from cranking up fast enough to start. Generally that's a cold day in winter. The difficulty with a hot start is unlikely to be that however, IMHO. Regards, Clive ________________________________ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Iberplanes IGL Sent: 29 July 2008 14:25 Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot not 100 % sure, but I believe it was on an builder website. I=B4m re-checking my favorites website and I=B4ll let you know take care, Albert Martin 2008/7/28 D.Hetrick Martin, Where did you read that we should replace the starter? Folks here is the US don't seem to be aware of it. Thanks, Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Iberplanes IGL To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: Jab 3300 no start after hot Hello Dale, No problem, if you ever come back to BCN drop me an email so we can arrange a visit and meal. My Jab serial is 33CC205, with the black starter. I have not started the engine yet but it was given the periodic "oil" maintenance. I=B4ve read that we should change the starter, but not sure where and when. If I get more info I will published it. Take care, Alberto Martin 2008/7/27 Woody Sulloway Dale, I too have a 3300 (solid lifters) that often does not want to start again after flying for 2-to 30 minutes and because the battery was 4 years old, I too bought a new one, even though the old battery load tested better than spec. I think you are on the right about the heat. I have had a couple of e -mails back and forth with Pete at Jabiru USA. One of the questions he asked me was did My Fiberglass cylinder ducts have the two 1 and 1/4 inch bleed holes drilled in the aft inside side area in such a manner as to bleed cooling air over the starter, this is supposed to help. My condition inspection is due in August so I'm going to drill mine and see what happens. My starter is the black bosch starter that they were using in 2004. I understand that there is an improved starter available, but I want to make sure that I have tried everything else first! By the way I do have the 20 amp alternator. Regards Woody Sulloway Trigear Sonex Jab 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of D.Hetrick Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:31 AM To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's Hello Alberto, Sorry I was not able to get back to you. We left to catch a flight to BCN immediately after writing to you. I wanted to discuss the starter motor on the J3300. I have replaced three batteries because the engine would not restart after running for awhile. I've finally reached the conclusion that the problem is not the batteries but the starter motor. After running the engine the starter motor gets very hot. This, of course, increases the resistance so that all the current going into the starter motor is trying to overcome the high resistance. Anyway, I'm now looking for a replacement starter motor. Regards, Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Iberplanes IGL To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's Hello Dale, Only 55Km, so I you want to meet us It would be great. What about saturday? Are you living BCN on sunday? Let me know. 2008/7/16 D.Hetrick : Hello Alberto, My wife and I will be arriving in Barcelona Friday the 17th at about 0930. We have reservations for two days at the "Sunotel Central" Gran Via De Les Corts Catalanes 570. How far are you from the city? If convenient, please call me at the hotel after 1300 on Thursday. Thank you, Dale Hetrick Europa Tri-Gear/ Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Iberplanes IGL To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: CHT's Nice question, I=B4ve read the manual and it only says min and max temperatures. Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ist" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List a> http://forums.matronics.com _blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ist" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List a> http://forums.matronics.com _blank"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:05 PM PST US From: "Peter Harris" Subject: JabiruEngine-List: FW: Barrel Nuts Clive, I got the response below from Jabiru engine engineer Doug Smith. It looks as if the barrel nut mod is for another issue and not for the tight engine. The tight engine for me is an issue only when the engine stops and the barrels cool faster than the pistons. When running the tolerances appear to be OK and it will idle down to 800RPM. Peter _____ From: Doug Smith [mailto:dougs@jabiru.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Barrel Nuts Dear Peter, There is a mod, much as described, which we have informed our engine specialists about. However, it is not necessary on all, or even many, engines - it is a fix if a low-hour engine is using excessive oil, has poor leak-down results, high blow-by etc. It is basically a tolerancing issue - on some engines the nuts ride slightly up on the radius of the barrel but on the majority of engines they do not. The mod does not affect the tightness of the engine. I'd add that it is a very dangerous task to undertake in the backyard - it is far too easy to over-torque an engine through-bolt which will result in an engine failure down the track. If it is to be done it must be done by an approved Jabiru engine man, and it's not worth thinking about unless the engine has the symptoms mentioned above. Regards, Doug Smith Engineer, Jabiru Aircraft This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. 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