---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/02/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: Oil Burn (DaveG601XL) 2. 06:10 AM - Re: oil Usage (Bob Vossman) 3. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: oil Usage (zeprep251@aol.com) 4. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: oil Usage (T. Graziano) 5. 12:12 PM - Max length of oil cooler pipes (James, Clive R) 6. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: oil Usage (Lynn Matteson) 7. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: Oil Burn (Lynn Matteson) 8. 12:28 PM - Re: Re: oil Usage (Lynn Matteson) 9. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: oil Usage (Kayberg@AOL.COM) 10. 08:56 PM - Re: oil Usage (ces308) 11. 09:49 PM - Re: Oil Burn (Stephen Smith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:00 AM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Oil Burn From: "DaveG601XL" With 87 or so total time on the hobbs, I am burning about 1/2 - 3/4 oz. per hour on 15W50. I had about that same rate on straight mineral oil during break-in. On my first oil change at 25 hours, I went to W100 and for some reason my consumption rate about quadrupled. When winter approached, I changed to 15W50. Seeing that consumption rate drop back down, I have not even considered going back to W100 this summer. Don't know why the big difference in consumption between the oil types. BTW, I keep my oil level between 1/4 and 1/2 on the dip stick per a verbal suggestion that, I believe, came from Pete. Good Luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 First flight 7/24/08 85 hours and climbing! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251090#251090 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:44 AM PST US From: "Bob Vossman" Subject: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage I have 200 hrs on my Jab 2200. I add 4 oz about every 3 hours to keep the level between "add oil" mark and 1/3 up the dipstick. Bob Sonex/Jab 2200 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage From: zeprep251@aol.com I have 440hrs on the 2200a in a MK3-C Kolb My vent system enters a 1 pint catch bottle then vents overboard The airframe stays clean by the vent hose,so all the oil ends up in the bottle.This indicates to me that the vent system on this engine requires some rethinking by Jabiru.My IO-470 continental used less oil in 25 hrs than the Jabiru does in 5hrs.This is a great little engine,they just need to tweak it in the vent and intake systems. ? ? ? Gary Aman ?? Akron Oh -----Original Message----- From: Bob Vossman Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 8:51 am Subject: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage I have 200 hrs on my Jab 2200.? I add 4 oz about every 3 hours to keep the level between "add oil" mark and 1/3 up the dipstick. ? Bob? Sonex/Jab 2200 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:47 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage That is about what I use on my Jab3300, possibly slightly more, and also about the same dipstick reading for add of oil. Tony Graziano Zodiac XL/Jab3300; 506 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Vossman To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:51 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage I have 200 hrs on my Jab 2200. I add 4 oz about every 3 hours to keep the level between "add oil" mark and 1/3 up the dipstick. Bob Sonex/Jab 2200 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:13 PM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Max length of oil cooler pipes From: "James, Clive R" Well my plan to fit the cooler up front seems doomed to failure so It will need to go on the firewall ala Lightning, thing is my battery is already in the way for the pilots side mount. So, does any one know what length I can make the hoses? To fit my cooler on the other side and they'll be 1.1 metres or 3.6 feet each way, lots of extra cooling but what about the flow business? Any idea of max length, AN6 fittings and hose and the donut bored out with 1/4 npt fittings? Regards, Clive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:55 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage What serial number? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 687.3 hrs Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying do not archive On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:37 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote: > I have 440hrs on the 2200a in a MK3-C Kolb My vent system enters a > 1 pint catch bottle then vents overboard The airframe stays clean > by the vent hose,so all the oil ends up in the bottle.This > indicates to me that the vent system on this engine requires some > rethinking by Jabiru.My IO-470 continental used less oil in 25 hrs > than the Jabiru does in 5hrs.This is a great little engine,they > just need to tweak it in the vent and intake systems. > Gary Aman Akron Oh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Vossman > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 8:51 am > Subject: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage > > I have 200 hrs on my Jab 2200. I add 4 oz about every 3 hours to > keep the level between "add oil" mark and 1/3 up the dipstick. > > Bob Sonex/Jab 2200 > > > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:55 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Oil Burn What serial number? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 687.3 hrs Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying do not archive On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:12 AM, DaveG601XL wrote: > > > With 87 or so total time on the hobbs, I am burning about 1/2 - 3/4 > oz. per hour on 15W50. I had about that same rate on straight > mineral oil during break-in. On my first oil change at 25 hours, I > went to W100 and for some reason my consumption rate about > quadrupled. When winter approached, I changed to 15W50. Seeing > that consumption rate drop back down, I have not even considered > going back to W100 this summer. Don't know why the big difference > in consumption between the oil types. > > BTW, I keep my oil level between 1/4 and 1/2 on the dip stick per a > verbal suggestion that, I believe, came from Pete. > > Good Luck, > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL/Jabiru 3300 > First flight 7/24/08 > 85 hours and climbing! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251090#251090 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:55 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage What serial number? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 687.3 hrs Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying do not archive On Jul 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Bob Vossman wrote: > I have 200 hrs on my Jab 2200. I add 4 oz about every 3 hours to > keep the level between "add oil" mark and 1/3 up the dipstick. > > Bob Sonex/Jab 2200 > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:23 PM PST US From: Kayberg@AOL.COM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:40:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zeprep251@aol.com writes: I have 440hrs on the 2200a in a MK3-C Kolb My vent system enters a 1 pint catch bottle then vents overboard The airframe stays clean by the vent hose,so all the oil ends up in the bottle.This indicates to me that the vent system on this engine requires some rethinking by Jabiru.My IO-470 continental used less oil in 25 hrs than the Jabiru does in 5hrs.This is a great little engine,they just need to tweak it in the vent and intake systems. The question of oil usage should be factored depending on the mission profile. If you have a bird that can be whipped around, the oil can accumulate in the overflow bottle rather rapidly. If you always fly like grandma, not more than 30 degree banks and all positive G's, then you may only be burning it. Of course it will depend on where and how you place you overflow bottle. It will also depend on wether you overfill your oil regularly. On a Kolb, you can get hammered around by thermals, so oil can be slopped up into the vent hose. Since most Continentals use about a quart in 5-10 hours, that means your Jabiru must be using from 2.5 to 5 quarts in 5 hours!! Seems to me that something else is going on. My experience is that Jabs do not burn much oil, but they can slop it with the best of them. Doug Koenigsberg. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:01 PM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: oil Usage From: "ces308" I have put very little in my A-2200 on my Kolb M3X with 32 hrs on it .However,I will pay close attention to what I add from here on out. And the vent catch on my engine seems to be a water/oil mix as it is very thin for it to be all oil not to mention if it was all oil from the crank case,then why is the oil level ok? After 2-3 hrs I empty the maybe 3-4 oz cup which is about 1/2 full. I simply soak what is in there with a paper towel and discard. chris ambrose M3X/Jab N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251267#251267 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:24 PM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Oil Burn From: "Stephen Smith" My 3300 has been flying for two years and has about 550 hours on it. Here in Santa Rosa California I use Aeroshell 15w50 in the winter and Aeroshell 100 plus in the summer. Consumption has gone up over the past 150 hours or so. It is now at about 1 quart per 450 miles. I have minor seepage in several places on the engine but nothing I would call a leak. The volume of oil in the separator has been going up, but sure does not account for anything like the quantity being consumed. The spark plugs look reasonable - not fouled or dark. Compression check 25 hours ago is down to 70, 76, 74, 68, 60, 75. Not sure where the oil is going if its not past the rings and out the tail pipe. Yes, I toss my plane around a bit - it asks for it, I swear! In high angle climbs and steep banks I can smell hot oil for a few seconds. Frankly the consumption seem quite high and a bit disappointing. Anyone else with 550 or more hours? What is your consumption? My engine's dipstick had the S turns in it. I have flattened them out which makes the dipstick longer and allows me to use the original marks for full/add while having the oil level a bit lower. It also makes it less likely the oil level will be off the end of the dipstick. When that happens, you don't know how much to add. Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251271#251271 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message jabiruengine-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/JabiruEngine-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/jabiruengine-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/jabiruengine-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.