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1. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Oil Burn (Iberplanes IGL)
2. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: oil Usage (zeprep251@aol.com)
3. 09:23 AM - Re: Oil Burn (Stephen Smith)
4. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: oil Usage (Lynn Matteson)
5. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: oil Usage (zeprep251@aol.com)
6. 02:30 PM - Re: oil Usage (ces308)
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Hi Stephen,
What=B4s the prop you are using? and what cruse speed do you get at 2450-25
00?
Please, let me know.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: @ home
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: RE: oil Usage |
Lynn
?? It,s a pusher,the rear of the engine is covered by a molded fairing that smooths
airflow into the cooling shrouds.I have only one picture on the computer
to send but maybe it will show enough to explain the set-up
? ? ? ? ?? G,Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:11 am
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage
?
Thanks, Gary...it really helps figure out what may be going on with the engine
if we would all post the serial number when we request help....kinda like going
to the doctor. He/she always needs to know your age.?
?
I'm not familiar with the Kolb...is it a pusher or tractor set-up? Does your oil
vent line run uphill right after the dipstick tube attachment, then down to
the bottle? And is the Kolb an exposed engine??
?
My Kitfox is an enclosed cowl, tractor, and only requires about 10 oz of oil addition
between 25 hour oil changes.?
?
Lynn Matteson?
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger?
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 689.3 hrs?
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop?
Electroair direct-fire ignition system?
Status: flying?
?
?
On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:55 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:?
?
> Lynn,?
> Believe it is #1295?
> G.Aman?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>?
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com?
> Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:27 pm?
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage?
>?
>?
> What serial number??
>?
> Lynn Matteson?
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger?
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 687.3 hrs?
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop?
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system?
> Status: flying?
> do not archive?
>?
>?
> On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:37 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:?
>?
> > I have 440hrs on the 2200a in a MK3-C Kolb My vent system enters > a > 1 pint
catch bottle then vents overboard The airframe stays > clean > by the vent
hose,so all the oil ends up in the bottle.This > > indicates to me that the vent
system on this engine requires some > > rethinking by Jabiru.My IO-470 continental
used less oil in 25 > hrs > than the Jabiru does in 5hrs.This is a great
little > engine,they > just need to tweak it in the vent and intake systems.?
> > Gary Aman Akron Oh?
> >?
> >?
> >?
> >?
> > -----Original Message-----?
> > From: Bob Vossman <bvossman@austin.rr.com>?
> > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com?
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 8:51 am?
> > Subject: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage?
> >?
> > I have 200 hrs on my Jab 2200. I add 4 oz about every 3 hours to > > keep the
level between "add oil" mark and 1/3 up the dipstick.?
> >?
> > Bob Sonex/Jab 2200?
> >?
> >?
> >?
> > www.matronics.com/contribution _-> > ============================================================?
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Hello Alberto,
I have the Sensenich composite ground-adjustable prop.
I have about 400 hours of flight data that I can analyze.
Looking back through about the most recent 140 hours of data selected for 2,500
RPM at 2,000 feet I see 9 hours at 105 MPH average ground speed, 101 MPH average
indicated airspeed.
Steve
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Hi Stephen,
Whats the prop you are using? and what cruse speed do you get at 2450-2500?
Please, let me know.
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es (http://www.iberplanes.es)
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: @ home
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: RE: oil Usage |
Gary-
I guess I'd have to see where the oil collection bottle is in
reference to the airflow to know if it seemed right for your
installation. However, someone with the same setup might chime in and
help you out. I just re-read your original post, and I'm not sure if
you're indicating a problem or not. If all the expelled oil ends up
in the bottle, that seems right to me, unless you think TOO much oil
is being expelled by the engine. Just keep in mind that if the vent
overboard is in a high airflow area, maybe a vacuum is being formed
and helping to draw oil out of the engine.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 693.9 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:59 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
> Lynn
> It,s a pusher,the rear of the engine is covered by a molded
> fairing that smooths airflow into the cooling shrouds.I have only
> one picture on the computer to send but maybe it will show enough
> to explain the set-up
> G,Aman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:11 am
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage
>
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks, Gary...it really helps figure out what may be going on with
> the engine if we would all post the serial number when we request
> help....kinda like going to the doctor. He/she always needs to know
> your age.
>
> I'm not familiar with the Kolb...is it a pusher or tractor set-up?
> Does your oil vent line run uphill right after the dipstick tube
> attachment, then down to the bottle? And is the Kolb an exposed
> engine?
>
> My Kitfox is an enclosed cowl, tractor, and only requires about 10
> oz of oil addition between 25 hour oil changes.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 689.3 hrs
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:55 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Lynn,
> > Believe it is #1295
> > G.Aman
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:27 pm
> > Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage
> >
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >
> > What serial number?
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 687.3 hrs
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Status: flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:37 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > I have 440hrs on the 2200a in a MK3-C Kolb My vent system
> enters > a > 1 pint catch bottle then vents overboard The airframe
> stays > clean > by the vent hose,so all the oil ends up in the
> bottle.This > > indicates to me that the vent system on this engine
> requires some > > rethinking by Jabiru.My IO-470 continental used
> less oil in 25 > hrs > than the Jabiru does in 5hrs.This is a great
> little > engine,they > just need to tweak it in the vent and intake
> systems.
> > > Gary Aman Akron Oh
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| Subject: | Re: RE: oil Usage |
Lynn,
? Oil collection bottle is directly behind my seat on the floor of the fuselage.The
last of the vent exits thru the floor on the bottom.It extends 1 inch below
the bottom and is cut at 90 degrees to the pipe.I could place a short piece
of 1/2" copper tube, cut at a 45 degree angle facing forward, in the tube which
could slightly pressurize the system.I have had a modified PCV valve in the
line 2 inches from the oil stick for some time now,hoping to put the crankcase
in a partial vacuum,letting air out but not back in.This slowed the rate of
oil loss but perhaps not for the reason it was installed.It may be just giving
the oil a place to collect or to ubstruct its movement.
????? I can easily test the collector bottle for vacuum, for there is a 1/4 inch
line installed from beside my seat thru the lid to near the bottom of the bottle
to evacuate collected oil with a vacuum pump. If that test shows vacuum,I
will try the angle vent to reverse it.The PCV valve will not let the crankcase
be pressurized but could eliminate vacuum in the vent system ahead of it.
???? I'm pretty sure that not all of the missing oil from the engine ends up in
the collector, but it does not leak externally at all.If it burns it,it burns
it,and I can live with that.I would just like to keep the collector dry as possible.
????? Thanks for the input.I'll let you know what I find.
???????????????????? Gary Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage
?
Gary-?
?
I guess I'd have to see where the oil collection bottle is in reference to the
airflow to know if it seemed right for your installation. However, someone with
the same setup might chime in and help you out. I just re-read your original
post, and I'm not sure if you're indicating a problem or not. If all the expelled
oil ends up in the bottle, that seems right to me, unless you think TOO much
oil is being expelled by the engine. Just keep in mind that if the vent overboard
is in a high airflow area, maybe a vacuum is being formed and helping
to draw oil out of the engine.?
?
Lynn Matteson?
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger?
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 693.9 hrs?
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop?
Electroair direct-fire ignition system?
Status: flying?
?
?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:59 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:?
?
> Lynn?
> It,s a pusher,the rear of the engine is covered by a molded > fairing that
smooths airflow into the cooling shrouds.I have only > one picture on the computer
to send but maybe it will show enough > to explain the set-up?
> G,Aman?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>?
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com?
> Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:11 am?
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage?
>?
>?
> Thanks, Gary...it really helps figure out what may be going on with > the engine
if we would all post the serial number when we request > help....kinda like
going to the doctor. He/she always needs to know > your age.?
>?
> I'm not familiar with the Kolb...is it a pusher or tractor set-up? > Does your
oil vent line run uphill right after the dipstick tube > attachment, then down
to the bottle? And is the Kolb an exposed > engine??
>?
> My Kitfox is an enclosed cowl, tractor, and only requires about 10 > oz of oil
addition between 25 hour oil changes.?
>?
> Lynn Matteson?
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger?
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 689.3 hrs?
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop?
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system?
> Status: flying?
>?
>?
> On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:55 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:?
>?
> > Lynn,?
> > Believe it is #1295?
> > G.Aman?
> >?
> >?
> > -----Original Message-----?
> > From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>?
> > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com?
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:27 pm?
> > Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: RE: oil Usage?
> >?
> >?
> > What serial number??
> >?
> > Lynn Matteson?
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger?
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 687.3 hrs?
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop?
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system?
> > Status: flying?
> > do not archive?
> >?
> >?
> > On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:37 AM, zeprep251@aol.com wrote:?
> >?
> > > I have 440hrs on the 2200a in a MK3-C Kolb My vent system > enters > a >
1 pint catch bottle then vents overboard The airframe > stays > clean > by the
vent hose,so all the oil ends up in the > bottle.This > > indicates to me that
the vent system on this engine > requires some > > rethinking by Jabiru.My IO-470
continental used > less oil in 25 > hrs > than the Jabiru does in 5hrs.This
is a great > little > engine,they > just need to tweak it in the vent and
intake > systems.?
> > > Gary Aman Akron Oh?
?
?
?
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Lynn and Gary,
I will take some pictures of my set up tomorrow and show you guys. I believe my
engine is doing fine on the oil burn...you have to remember that we are talking
oz's of oil here..when you only have 2.4 qts it just seems like a lot when
a little is missing.when talking on my O-320-E2D we talk in Quarts...not oz's.Lynn...you
go to any fly-ins? I will put you on our Mi Kolb email list and maybe
we can hook up some morning and talk Jabs !
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab A-2200
N327CS
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