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1. 09:17 AM - Re: Oil (jim)
2. 09:42 AM - Re: Oil (Dee Young)
3. 10:09 AM - Re: Oil (Dee Young)
4. 01:44 PM - Re: Oil (Keith Pickford)
5. 05:20 PM - Re: Oil (Dee Young)
6. 05:50 PM - Re: Oil (zeprep251@aol.com)
7. 08:53 PM - Re: Oil (jim)
8. 09:28 PM - Re: Oil (jim)
9. 10:28 PM - Re: Oil (Roger Lee)
10. 10:56 PM - The micro-turbojet engine (Nanchang CJ6)
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Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno, Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
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I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu
ced oil temps=2C reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am reall
y happy with the results.
DC Young
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno=2C Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
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Jim what is your opinion on sythetic use int he Jabiru? I know what is reco
mmended but doesn't also say to use any good grade motor oil?
DC Young
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno=2C Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
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I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you are
using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in sus
pension ????
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Regards
keith
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Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
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I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu
ced oil-temps,-reduced CHT-and EGT and much-improved starting.-I
am really happy with the results.
-
DC Young
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Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno, Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
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Kieth I have heard the same thing about leaded fuel but don't know how true
that really is or if its just a old wives tale. The Aeroshell partial syn
thetic works real well so it stands to reason why wouldn't the full synthet
ic. The owners manul on my engine says the engine was test run using 15W50
but to use any good grade automotive oil. So that is the reason I chose to
try the Amzoil. I have logged about 15hrs on the stuff and it smells the sa
me and looks the same as the Aeroshell and you can smell the 100LL in it si
nce it started to color up.
DC Young
From: kpickford@xtra.co.nz
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you are
using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in sus
pension ????
Regards
keith
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From: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
Received: Tuesday=2C 18 August=2C 2009=2C 4:39 AM
I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu
ced oil temps=2C reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am reall
y happy with the results.
DC Young
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno=2C Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
On 8/16/09 7:10 PM=2C "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
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Jab. engine. Any opinions?
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Dee,
? A few of the guys on the Kolb List have 912's which lube the gear reduction with
engine oil and require synthetic oils because of this.They run unleaded hi
test but can run 100LL if they change the oil at shorter intervals.They have
said they scrape the lead residue out of the oil tank bottom.It seems that it
won't stay in suspension in the full synthetic oils.Don't know how you could check
for lead deposits in our Jabirus.Maybe flush the oil pan with some solvent
after draining the oil to check for any accumulation.Just a thought.
? G.Aman Kolb MK-3C Jabiru 2200A- 465hrs
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From: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:20 pm
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
Kieth I have heard the same thing about leaded fuel?but don't know how true that
really is or if its just a old?wives tale. The? Aeroshell partial synthetic
works real well so it stands to reason why wouldn't the full synthetic.?The owners
manul on my engine says the engine was test run using?15W50 but to use any
good grade automotive oil. So that is the reason I chose to try the Amzoil.
I have logged about 15hrs on the stuff and it smells the same and looks the same
as the Aeroshell and you can smell the 100LL in it since?it started to color
up.
?
DC Young?
From: kpickford@xtra.co.nz
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you are using
leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in suspension
????
?
Regards
keith
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From: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
Received: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 4:39 AM
I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with reduced
oil?temps,?reduced CHT?and EGT and much?improved starting.?I am really happy with
the results.
?
DC Young
?
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno, Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
On 8/16/09 7:10 PM, "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
?Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the Jab.
engine. Any opinions?
?
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Hi Dee
What fuel are you running?
Jim McCormick
On 8/17/09 9:39 AM, "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with reduced
> oil temps, reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am really happy
> with the results.
>
> DC Young
>
>
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:14:39 -0700
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
> From: jim@jabirupacific.com
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>
> Hi Dee
> Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
> Engines.
> What type oil oil did you want to use?
>
>
> Jim McCormick
> Jabiru Pacific LLC
> 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
> Fresno, Ca 93711
> P 559.431.1701
> F 559.233.3676
> www.jabirupacific.com
>
>
>
>
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> wrote:
>
>>
>> Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the
>> Jab. engine. Any opinions?
>>
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Hi Dee
Well I think you have read your manual wrong, It states the following.
4.5 Oil
4.5.1 Specifications
- Aero Oil W Multigrade 15W-50, or equivalent Lubricant complying with
MIL-L-22851C, or
- Lycoming Spec. 301F, or
- Teledyne - Continental Spec MHF-24B
I don=B9t see any reference to automotive oil! As a matter of fact you will
ruined your engine if you continue to use automotive oil and aviation fuel!
So my recommendation is to drain your amzoil ASAP and get aviation oil back
in before you hurt your engine!
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno, Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
On 8/17/09 5:20 PM, "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
> Kieth I have heard the same thing about leaded fuel but don't know how tr
ue
> that really is or if its just a old wives tale. The Aeroshell partial
> synthetic works real well so it stands to reason why wouldn't the full
> synthetic. The owners manul on my engine says the engine was test run usi
ng
> 15W50 but to use any good grade automotive oil. So that is the reason I c
hose
> to try the Amzoil. I have logged about 15hrs on the stuff and it smells t
he
> same and looks the same as the Aeroshell and you can smell the 100LL in i
t
> since it started to color up.
>
> DC Young
>
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:38:19 -0700
> From: kpickford@xtra.co.nz
> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>
> I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you ar
e
> using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in
> suspension ????
>
> Regards
> keith
>
> --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
>> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
>> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>> Received: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 4:39 AM
>>
>> I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with
>> reduced oil temps, reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am
>> really happy with the results.
>>
>> DC Young
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:14:39 -0700
>> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
>> From: jim@jabirupacific.com
>> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Hi Dee
>> Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jab
iru
>> Engines.
>> What type oil oil did you want to use?
>>
>>
>> Jim McCormick
>> Jabiru Pacific LLC
>> 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
>> Fresno, Ca 93711
>> P 559.431.1701
>> F 559.233.3676
>> www.jabirupacific.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/16/09 7:10 PM, "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com <http://msn.com/> >
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in
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>>> Jab. engine. Any opinions?
>>>
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>>>
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Hi Guys,
No wives tale, but a proven fact. You can find this data all over the web and
it is taught in maint schools. I have pulled the engines and seen the lead first
hand.
Full Synthetic absolutely will not suspend the lead and it falls out of solution
and settles in the crank case and in a Rotax it also falls out in the gearbox.
You need to be using a semi synthetic for 100LL fuel. A semi synthetic or a
regular dino oil helps keep the lead in suspension and lets it drain during the
oil change. That said the oil will never suspend all the lead. In a Rotax you
can take off the oil reservoir and see the grey lead paste in the bottom after
you have dumped the oil. You can also find the lead in the gearbox and if
you have a Rotax and use 100LL you must pull the slipper clutch in the gearbox
apart at 800 hours to get the lead out. In a service bulletin from Jabiru you
can use auto fuel now. To me any thing is better than 100LL. I hate lead. If
you are using 100LL in either engine I would be using a lead scavenger like Decalin.
TCP works too , but has some harsh chemicals in it and has a warning label
on it to not be carried in the cockpit. Decalin has no such warning. The Decalin
helps keep the lead soft and helps it blow out the exhaust and helps keep
it from settling and sticking to your engine parts.
Rotax people that use auto fuel with no lead can use motorcycle oils as recommended
by Rotax because the gearbox uses the same oil as the engine like a motorcycle
and those oils are under more stress and a heavier duty cycle than a car
oil and they have special additives because of this. If you have an engine and
can run auto fuel you can extend your oil drains. i.e. Rotax auto fuel 50 hr.
oil and filter change and 50 hr plugs, 100LL use gets it cut in half to 25 hr
oil and filter and 50 hr plugs.
If you are going to run some oil other than what is recommended by Jabiru I would
give them a call and get their opinion.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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