---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/17/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:17 AM - Re: Oil (jim) 2. 09:42 AM - Re: Oil (Dee Young) 3. 10:09 AM - Re: Oil (Dee Young) 4. 01:44 PM - Re: Oil (Keith Pickford) 5. 05:20 PM - Re: Oil (Dee Young) 6. 05:50 PM - Re: Oil (zeprep251@aol.com) 7. 08:53 PM - Re: Oil (jim) 8. 09:28 PM - Re: Oil (jim) 9. 10:28 PM - Re: Oil (Roger Lee) 10. 10:56 PM - The micro-turbojet engine (Nanchang CJ6) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim Hi Dee Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru Engines. What type oil oil did you want to use? Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B Fresno, Ca 93711 P 559.431.1701 F 559.233.3676 www.jabirupacific.com On 8/16/09 7:10 PM, "Dee Young" wrote: > > Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the > Jab. engine. Any opinions? > > D C Young > > > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out > more. > WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:06 AM PST US From: Dee Young Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu ced oil temps=2C reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am reall y happy with the results. DC Young Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim@jabirupacific.com Hi Dee Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru Engines. What type oil oil did you want to use? Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B Fresno=2C Ca 93711 P 559.431.1701 F 559.233.3676 www.jabirupacific.com On 8/16/09 7:10 PM=2C "Dee Young" wrote: Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the Jab. engine. Any opinions? D C Young Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find ou t more. e-List Email Forum - gine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List =3B - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com =3B- List Contribution Web Site - =3B -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYC B_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:20 AM PST US From: Dee Young Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil Jim what is your opinion on sythetic use int he Jabiru? I know what is reco mmended but doesn't also say to use any good grade motor oil? DC Young Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim@jabirupacific.com Hi Dee Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru Engines. What type oil oil did you want to use? Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B Fresno=2C Ca 93711 P 559.431.1701 F 559.233.3676 www.jabirupacific.com On 8/16/09 7:10 PM=2C "Dee Young" wrote: Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the Jab. engine. Any opinions? D C Young Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find ou t more. e-List Email Forum - gine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List =3B - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com =3B- List Contribution Web Site - =3B -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYC B_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:56 PM PST US From: Keith Pickford Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you are using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in sus pension ???? - Regards keith --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Dee Young wrote: From: Dee Young Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil Received: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 4:39 AM #yiv1362194537 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1362194537 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu ced oil-temps,-reduced CHT-and EGT and much-improved starting.-I am really happy with the results. - DC Young - Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim@jabirupacific.com Hi Dee Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru Engines. What type oil oil did you want to use? Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B Fresno, Ca 93711 P 559.431.1701 F 559.233.3676 www.jabirupacific.com On 8/16/09 7:10 PM, "Dee Young" wrote: -Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in th e Jab. engine. Any opinions? - D C Young Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find ou t more. e-List Email Forum - gine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ;--- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ;------------------Matt Dralle, List Admi n. ://www.matronics.com/contribution -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:58 PM PST US From: Dee Young Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil Kieth I have heard the same thing about leaded fuel but don't know how true that really is or if its just a old wives tale. The Aeroshell partial syn thetic works real well so it stands to reason why wouldn't the full synthet ic. The owners manul on my engine says the engine was test run using 15W50 but to use any good grade automotive oil. So that is the reason I chose to try the Amzoil. I have logged about 15hrs on the stuff and it smells the sa me and looks the same as the Aeroshell and you can smell the 100LL in it si nce it started to color up. DC Young From: kpickford@xtra.co.nz Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you are using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in sus pension ???? Regards keith --- On Tue=2C 18/8/09=2C Dee Young wrote: From: Dee Young Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil Received: Tuesday=2C 18 August=2C 2009=2C 4:39 AM I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu ced oil temps=2C reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am reall y happy with the results. DC Young Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim@jabirupacific.com Hi Dee Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru Engines. What type oil oil did you want to use? Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B Fresno=2C Ca 93711 P 559.431.1701 F 559.233.3676 www.jabirupacific.com On 8/16/09 7:10 PM=2C "Dee Young" wrote: Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the Jab. engine. Any opinions? D C Young Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find ou t more. e-List Email Forum - gine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List =3B - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com =3B- List Contribution Web Site - =3B -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. 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A few of the guys on the Kolb List have 912's which lube the gear reduction with engine oil and require synthetic oils because of this.They run unleaded hi test but can run 100LL if they change the oil at shorter intervals.They have said they scrape the lead residue out of the oil tank bottom.It seems that it won't stay in suspension in the full synthetic oils.Don't know how you could check for lead deposits in our Jabirus.Maybe flush the oil pan with some solvent after draining the oil to check for any accumulation.Just a thought. ? G.Aman Kolb MK-3C Jabiru 2200A- 465hrs -----Original Message----- From: Dee Young Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:20 pm Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil Kieth I have heard the same thing about leaded fuel?but don't know how true that really is or if its just a old?wives tale. The? Aeroshell partial synthetic works real well so it stands to reason why wouldn't the full synthetic.?The owners manul on my engine says the engine was test run using?15W50 but to use any good grade automotive oil. So that is the reason I chose to try the Amzoil. I have logged about 15hrs on the stuff and it smells the same and looks the same as the Aeroshell and you can smell the 100LL in it since?it started to color up. ? DC Young? From: kpickford@xtra.co.nz Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you are using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in suspension ???? ? Regards keith --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Dee Young wrote: From: Dee Young Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil Received: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 4:39 AM I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with reduced oil?temps,?reduced CHT?and EGT and much?improved starting.?I am really happy with the results. ? DC Young ? Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim@jabirupacific.com Hi Dee Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru Engines. What type oil oil did you want to use? Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B Fresno, Ca 93711 P 559.431.1701 F 559.233.3676 www.jabirupacific.com On 8/16/09 7:10 PM, "Dee Young" wrote: ?Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the Jab. engine. Any opinions? ? D C Young Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out more. e-List Email Forum - gine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ;??- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ;?????????????????-Matt Dralle, List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. ist" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out more. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim Hi Dee What fuel are you running? Jim McCormick On 8/17/09 9:39 AM, "Dee Young" wrote: > I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with reduced > oil temps, reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am really happy > with the results. > > DC Young > > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:14:39 -0700 > Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil > From: jim@jabirupacific.com > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > > Hi Dee > Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru > Engines. > What type oil oil did you want to use? > > > Jim McCormick > Jabiru Pacific LLC > 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B > Fresno, Ca 93711 > P 559.431.1701 > F 559.233.3676 > www.jabirupacific.com > > > > > On 8/16/09 7:10 PM, "Dee Young" > > wrote: > >> >> Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the >> Jab. engine. Any opinions? >> >> D C Young >> >> >> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out >> more. >> > :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> >> >> >> e-List Email Forum - >> gine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >> > :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> >> ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> matronics.com >> > :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> >> ;- List Contribution Web Site - >> ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> >> > > > > -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List > WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> > ronics.com > WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> > ww.matronics.com/contribution > WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> > > > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. > School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil From: jim Hi Dee Well I think you have read your manual wrong, It states the following. 4.5 Oil 4.5.1 Specifications - Aero Oil W Multigrade 15W-50, or equivalent Lubricant complying with MIL-L-22851C, or - Lycoming Spec. 301F, or - Teledyne - Continental Spec MHF-24B I don=B9t see any reference to automotive oil! As a matter of fact you will ruined your engine if you continue to use automotive oil and aviation fuel! So my recommendation is to drain your amzoil ASAP and get aviation oil back in before you hurt your engine! Jim McCormick Jabiru Pacific LLC 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B Fresno, Ca 93711 P 559.431.1701 F 559.233.3676 www.jabirupacific.com On 8/17/09 5:20 PM, "Dee Young" wrote: > Kieth I have heard the same thing about leaded fuel but don't know how tr ue > that really is or if its just a old wives tale. The Aeroshell partial > synthetic works real well so it stands to reason why wouldn't the full > synthetic. The owners manul on my engine says the engine was test run usi ng > 15W50 but to use any good grade automotive oil. So that is the reason I c hose > to try the Amzoil. I have logged about 15hrs on the stuff and it smells t he > same and looks the same as the Aeroshell and you can smell the 100LL in i t > since it started to color up. > > DC Young > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:38:19 -0700 > From: kpickford@xtra.co.nz > Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > > I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you ar e > using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in > suspension ???? > > Regards > keith > > --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Dee Young wrote: >> >> From: Dee Young >> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil >> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >> Received: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 4:39 AM >> >> I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with >> reduced oil temps, reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am >> really happy with the results. >> >> DC Young >> >> >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:14:39 -0700 >> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil >> From: jim@jabirupacific.com >> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com >> >> Hi Dee >> Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jab iru >> Engines. >> What type oil oil did you want to use? >> >> >> Jim McCormick >> Jabiru Pacific LLC >> 255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B >> Fresno, Ca 93711 >> P 559.431.1701 >> F 559.233.3676 >> www.jabirupacific.com >> >> >> >> >> On 8/16/09 7:10 PM, "Dee Young" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the >>> Jab. engine. Any opinions? >>> >>> D C Young >>> >>> >>> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Fin d out >>> more. >>> >> N:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> >>> >>> >>> e-List Email Forum - >>> gine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >>> ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> matronics.com >>> ;- List Contribution Web Site - >>> ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> ://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >> >> >> -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >> ronics.com >> ww.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now. >> > oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> >> >> >> ist" target=_blank >> rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >> > oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> >> =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com >> > oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> >> blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> >> > > > -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List > School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> > ronics.com > School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> > ww.matronics.com/contribution > School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1> > > > > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out > more. > WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009> > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:04 PM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Oil From: "Roger Lee" Hi Guys, No wives tale, but a proven fact. You can find this data all over the web and it is taught in maint schools. I have pulled the engines and seen the lead first hand. Full Synthetic absolutely will not suspend the lead and it falls out of solution and settles in the crank case and in a Rotax it also falls out in the gearbox. You need to be using a semi synthetic for 100LL fuel. A semi synthetic or a regular dino oil helps keep the lead in suspension and lets it drain during the oil change. That said the oil will never suspend all the lead. In a Rotax you can take off the oil reservoir and see the grey lead paste in the bottom after you have dumped the oil. You can also find the lead in the gearbox and if you have a Rotax and use 100LL you must pull the slipper clutch in the gearbox apart at 800 hours to get the lead out. In a service bulletin from Jabiru you can use auto fuel now. To me any thing is better than 100LL. I hate lead. If you are using 100LL in either engine I would be using a lead scavenger like Decalin. TCP works too , but has some harsh chemicals in it and has a warning label on it to not be carried in the cockpit. Decalin has no such warning. The Decalin helps keep the lead soft and helps it blow out the exhaust and helps keep it from settling and sticking to your engine parts. Rotax people that use auto fuel with no lead can use motorcycle oils as recommended by Rotax because the gearbox uses the same oil as the engine like a motorcycle and those oils are under more stress and a heavier duty cycle than a car oil and they have special additives because of this. If you have an engine and can run auto fuel you can extend your oil drains. i.e. Rotax auto fuel 50 hr. oil and filter change and 50 hr plugs, 100LL use gets it cut in half to 25 hr oil and filter and 50 hr plugs. If you are going to run some oil other than what is recommended by Jabiru I would give them a call and get their opinion. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. 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