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1. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: Oil (Dee Young)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Oil (Dee Young)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Oil (Dee Young)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some (Terry Phillips)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: Oil (pj.ladd)
6. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some (Lynn Matteson)
7. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some (BobsV35B@AOL.COM)
8. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some (Lynn Matteson)
9. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some (BobsV35B@aol.com)
10. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some (Lynn Matteson)
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Thanks Roger=2C your response is well taken
DC YOung
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Oil
> From: ssadiver1@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon=2C 17 Aug 2009 22:27:26 -0700
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> Hi Guys=2C
>
>
> No wives tale=2C but a proven fact. You can find this data all over the w
eb and it is taught in maint schools. I have pulled the engines and seen th
e lead first hand.
> Full Synthetic absolutely will not suspend the lead and it falls out of s
olution and settles in the crank case and in a Rotax it also falls out in t
he gearbox. You need to be using a semi synthetic for 100LL fuel. A semi sy
nthetic or a regular dino oil helps keep the lead in suspension and lets it
drain during the oil change. That said the oil will never suspend all the
lead. In a Rotax you can take off the oil reservoir and see the grey lead p
aste in the bottom after you have dumped the oil. You can also find the lea
d in the gearbox and if you have a Rotax and use 100LL you must pull the sl
ipper clutch in the gearbox apart at 800 hours to get the lead out. In a se
rvice bulletin from Jabiru you can use auto fuel now. To me any thing is be
tter than 100LL. I hate lead. If you are using 100LL in either engine I wou
ld be using a lead scavenger like Decalin. TCP works too =2C but has some h
arsh chemicals in it and has a warning label on it to not be carried in the
cockpit. Decalin !
> has no such warning. The Decalin helps keep the lead soft and helps it bl
ow out the exhaust and helps keep it from settling and sticking to your eng
ine parts.
> Rotax people that use auto fuel with no lead can use motorcycle oils as r
ecommended by Rotax because the gearbox uses the same oil as the engine lik
e a motorcycle and those oils are under more stress and a heavier duty cycl
e than a car oil and they have special additives because of this. If you ha
ve an engine and can run auto fuel you can extend your oil drains. i.e. Rot
ax auto fuel 50 hr. oil and filter change and 50 hr plugs=2C 100LL use gets
it cut in half to 25 hr oil and filter and 50 hr plugs.
> If you are going to run some oil other than what is recommended by Jabiru
I would give them a call and get their opinion.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Service Center
> 520-574-1080
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ACtually I didn't read the information incorrectly the engine is not a Jab.
but a KFM 112. You guys got the closest thing to what I am using and the i
nformation you provided will help a lot.
Thanks
DC Young
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Well I think you have read your manual wrong=2C It states the following.
4.5 Oil
4.5.1 Specifications
- Aero Oil W Multigrade 15W-50=2C or equivalent Lubricant complying with MI
L-L-22851C=2C or
- Lycoming Spec. 301F=2C or
- Teledyne - Continental Spec MHF-24B
I don=92t see any reference to automotive oil! As a matter of fact you will
ruined your engine if you continue to use automotive oil and aviation fuel
!
So my recommendation is to drain your amzoil ASAP and get aviation oil back
in before you hurt your engine!
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno=2C Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
On 8/17/09 5:20 PM=2C "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
Kieth I have heard the same thing about leaded fuel but don't know how true
that really is or if its just a old wives tale. The Aeroshell partial syn
thetic works real well so it stands to reason why wouldn't the full synthet
ic. The owners manul on my engine says the engine was test run using 15W50
but to use any good grade automotive oil. So that is the reason I chose to
try the Amzoil. I have logged about 15hrs on the stuff and it smells the sa
me and looks the same as the Aeroshell and you can smell the 100LL in it si
nce it started to color up.
DC Young
From: kpickford@xtra.co.nz
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
I had heard it said that you shouldn't use a full synthetic oil if you are
using leaded fuel as the oil will not hold the combustion byproducts in sus
pension ????
Regards
keith
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From: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
Received: Tuesday=2C 18 August=2C 2009=2C 4:39 AM
I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu
ced oil temps=2C reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am reall
y happy with the results.
DC Young
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno=2C Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
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Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the
Jab. engine. Any opinions?
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100LL
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
What fuel are you running?
Jim McCormick
On 8/17/09 9:39 AM=2C "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
I have started using Amzoil 5W30. The results have been excellant with redu
ced oil temps=2C reduced CHT and EGT and much improved starting. I am reall
y happy with the results.
DC Young
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Oil
From: jim@jabirupacific.com
Hi Dee
Jabiru recommends Areoshell 15W-50 simi-synthetic oil for use in the Jabiru
Engines.
What type oil oil did you want to use?
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W Fallbrook Suite 202B
Fresno=2C Ca 93711
P 559.431.1701
F 559.233.3676
www.jabirupacific.com
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Would very much like to hear your thoughts on the use of sythetics in the
Jab. engine. Any opinions?
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| Subject: | Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some |
Lynn & Bob
Thank you for the detailed resonses. The Rotec TBI sounds like a very promising
development for the Jabiru. I think there is much to be gained (or fuel saved)
by LOP operation. I will look forward to future reports.
Terry
do not archive
--------
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Corvallis, MT
ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working on the wings.
Read this topic online here:
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to use any good grade automotive oil.>>
I think you have misread something. Dont do it!
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some |
I'm also working on finally getting a MAP sensor for my engine, so I
will be able to do some testing and see...hopefully...some
performance-enhancing ignition timing advance. When I first got the
Electroair system, they would not provide me with a MAP sensor as
they did not have any means for setting up the advance curve, which
would have required an engine test cell, or extensive testing at
various altitudes to establish the timing curve. Being as how I was
the first to install the Electroair on a Jabiru engine....that we
know of...I wanted to wait to try anything new beyond the fixed
ignition timing.
I was also reluctant to take on any testing that would have required
going up beyond 10,000 feet MSL, as that is my legal limit as a Sport
Pilot. Now, Electroair
has another plan, and I'm going to do some testing under the new plan.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 739.7 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Terry Phillips wrote:
> <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
>
> Lynn & Bob
>
> Thank you for the detailed resonses. The Rotec TBI sounds like a
> very promising development for the Jabiru. I think there is much to
> be gained (or fuel saved) by LOP operation. I will look forward to
> future reports.
>
> Terry
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Terry Phillips
> Corvallis, MT
> ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
> Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working
> on the wings.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258401#258401
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some |
Good Afternoon Lynn,
Have you tried doing the GAMI Lean Check yet?
I would be very interested in your results.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 8/18/2009 12:54:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I'm also working on finally getting a MAP sensor for my engine, so I
will be able to do some testing and see...hopefully...some
performance-enhancing ignition timing advance. When I first got the
Electroair system, they would not provide me with a MAP sensor as
they did not have any means for setting up the advance curve, which
would have required an engine test cell, or extensive testing at
various altitudes to establish the timing curve. Being as how I was
the first to install the Electroair on a Jabiru engine....that we
know of...I wanted to wait to try anything new beyond the fixed
ignition timing.
I was also reluctant to take on any testing that would have required
going up beyond 10,000 feet MSL, as that is my legal limit as a Sport
Pilot. Now, Electroair
has another plan, and I'm going to do some testing under the new plan.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 739.7 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Terry Phillips wrote:
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Terry Phillips"
> <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
>
> Lynn & Bob
>
> Thank you for the detailed resonses. The Rotec TBI sounds like a
> very promising development for the Jabiru. I think there is much to
> be gained (or fuel saved) by LOP operation. I will look forward to
> future reports.
>
> Terry
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Terry Phillips
> Corvallis, MT
> ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
> Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working
> on the wings.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258401#258401
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some |
Hello, Bob-
I haven't done them yet, but I've got the form(s) printed out, and
I'm ready and waiting for a less blustery day.
I'll be posting them as soon as I've got some info. I love doin' this
stuff......: )
Might you be the Old Bob S., whose post I saw on one of many sites
I've visited recently concerning LOP?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 739.7 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2009, at 3:07 PM, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> Good Afternoon Lynn,
>
> Have you tried doing the GAMI Lean Check yet?
>
> I would be very interested in your results.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2009 12:54:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> I'm also working on finally getting a MAP sensor for my engine, so I
> will be able to do some testing and see...hopefully...some
> performance-enhancing ignition timing advance. When I first got the
> Electroair system, they would not provide me with a MAP sensor as
> they did not have any means for setting up the advance curve, which
> would have required an engine test cell, or extensive testing at
> various altitudes to establish the timing curve. Being as how I was
> the first to install the Electroair on a Jabiru engine....that we
> know of...I wanted to wait to try anything new beyond the fixed
> ignition timing.
> I was also reluctant to take on any testing that would have required
> going up beyond 10,000 feet MSL, as that is my legal limit as a Sport
> Pilot. Now, Electroair
> has another plan, and I'm going to do some testing under the new plan.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 739.7 hrs
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Terry Phillips wrote:
>
> > <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
> >
> > Lynn & Bob
> >
> > Thank you for the detailed resonses. The Rotec TBI sounds like a
> > very promising development for the Jabiru. I think there is much to
> > be gained (or fuel saved) by LOP operation. I will look forward to
> > future reports.
> >
> > Terry
> > do not archive
> >
> > --------
> > Terry Phillips
> > Corvallis, MT
> > ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
> > Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working
> > on the wings.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258401#258401
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some |
Good Evening Lynn,
I am probably the guilty party!
What list was it?
Looking forward to seeing your results.
Do Not Archive
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, Illinois 60516
LL22
N20318
N2858P
N3977A
Granddaughter's Cub is N416MS
Based at PAO
In a message dated 8/18/2009 6:05:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
Might you be the Old Bob S., whose post I saw on one of many sites
I've visited recently concerning LOP?
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| Subject: | Re: ROP versus LOP...might be off-topic for some |
It wasn't a list, but on one of the websites, or one of the links to
(possibly) GAMI, there was a letter signed by an "Old Bob S_____",
and, as I recall, it was a testimonial about a product. Sorry I can't
recall it, but I've been looking at too many articles the past few
days. I just tried to search using my browser's "history", but didn't
find the posting.
And, yes, Siegfried WAS the last name....I didn't want to use it in
case you didn't want it used.
I also just noted that you are almost right under my flight path when
I go to Oshkosh. I usually go between JOT and LOT, then between the
two D airports...can't think of their names as it is too close to my
bedtime....and then head north. (I'm based close to 3NP, Napoleon,
MI, where the Maule got its start)
Hopefully, I'll get a GAMI Lean Test in tomorrow morning. I'll be
using the longhand method, using my Grand Rapids Tech. EIS, and
recording with a pencil, and a sharp eye out for traffic, of which
there usually isn't around here at that time of day....or most days.
I may conduct a couple of tests just to be sure of complete results.
I'll post soon after.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 739.7 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:23 PM, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> Good Evening Lynn,
>
> I am probably the guilty party!
>
> What list was it?
>
> Looking forward to seeing your results.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> 628 West 86th Street
> Downers Grove, Illinois 60516
> LL22
> N20318
> N2858P
> N3977A
> Granddaughter's Cub is N416MS
> Based at PAO
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2009 6:05:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
> Might you be the Old Bob S., whose post I saw on one of many sites
> I've visited recently concerning LOP?
>
>
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