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1. 03:51 AM - Re: cold weather starting (David McCormick)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: cold weather starting (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: cold weather starting (Thom Riddle)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: cold weather starting (Stephen Smith)
5. 06:54 AM - Radio popping (Michael Hilderbrand)
6. 10:13 AM - Re: cold weather starting (Roger Lee)
7. 10:49 AM - Ram Air Ducting with 3300 (AZFlyer)
8. 11:37 AM - Re: Ram Air Ducting with 3300 (Pete Krotje)
9. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: cold weather starting (Craig Payne)
10. 01:44 PM - Re: cold weather starting (ces308)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: cold weather starting (Thom Riddle)
12. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: cold weather starting (Pete Krotje)
13. 05:05 PM - Re: cold weather starting (ces308)
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| Subject: | cold weather starting |
I was sturbon and did everything replaced my battery w/ a Odyssey=2C instal
led a elec fuel pump made carb adjustments=2C pulled the prop thru. but the
cure was to close the coil gap=2C it was easy and I should have done that
first because now it starts when cold. Dave
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: cold weather starting
> From: ces308@ldaco.com
> Date: Sun=2C 18 Oct 2009 16:08:36 -0700
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
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> Ok guys....I love my A-2200.......but......when the damn thing is cold=2C
what do I have to do to make it run...???? I have an Odyssey=2Cand as long
as I keep the engine warm=2Cit starts right up...however...I left it outsid
e for an hour this afternoon so it got a chance to cool off and when I trie
d to start it back up...no luck..What are you cold weather guys doing???
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> M3X Kolb / A-2200 ser 1228 74.hrs
> N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Roger,
I agree with your suggestion of minimizing the spark plug gap for cold starting
and in fact keep mine at minimum all year round because when the plugs wear,
the gap always grows, never decreases. I also use 15W50 in my Jabiru engine all
year round.
When I was flying a Rotax 912 I installed a Reif electrical pre-heat system that
always worked well and always kept the battery on a trickle charge when the
overnight temperatures were expected to be at 35 or lower. On the Reif system
the crankcase has a relatively low wattage crankcase heater that can be left on
continuously in cold weather (except when flying of course) and also contains
a sump heater with thermostat control to keep from over-cooking the oil. In
either case, these systems aren't designed for a Jabiru. Perhaps either Rief or
Tanis has one for the Jab engines. I've not looked since I'm going to store
my Jab powered airplane over the winter.
FWIW:
The ideas expressed in the Tanis video on the ROAN site are all good but whoever
produced the video is math challenged. It stated that raising the temperature
by 15C equated to raising the temp by 59F. They also stated that raising the
temperature by 28C equates to raising the temperature by 82F. Neither of these
statements is close to accurate arithmetic. CHANGING temp is not the same as
temperature reading on a scale. Changing the temperature by one(1) degree C equates
to changing the temperature by 1.8 degrees F. So raising the temperature
by 15C equates to raising the temperature by 15C x 1.8 = 27F, not 59F and raising
temp by 28C x 1.8 = 50.4F.
It is true that on comparative scales a temperature of 15C = 59F and that 28C =
82.4F but you can't do a CHANGE in temperature in this way, the arithmetic must
be done to get the correct CHANGE in temps.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Ooops. Correction on "15W50 all year round." I use this during my entire flying
season which includes some pretty cool weather but use Aeroshell Preservative
Oil FL-2 during storage over the winter.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Spark plug gap is a big deal on Jabiru engines for cold starting. Keep them gapped
at .22. If they get above about .26 you will have cold starting problems.
I use iridium spark plugs (NGK DR9EIX). I have 250 hours on them and the gap has
not changed. The plugs are cheaper in the long run.
Steve
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Steve Smith
N601WF
Zenair Zodiac XL
Jabiru 3300
600+ hours
Sensenich composite - ground adjustable
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Hey guys, =0A=0AI am doing some initial ground rounds with my Jab3300 engin
e and was noticing a-popping noise in the headsets- - while receiving O
NLY.--The popping noise-is pretty bad.- At first I thought is might
have-been the other aircraft's radio (flying in the pattern), but after
tuning to a local ATIS I-got the same popping sound.-- I-am just tr
ying to see if it might be something obvious, something-that one of you m
ight have experienced as well?- It does not happen when the engine is not
running.--I am thinking that maybe I should start out by buying resist
or plugs?- I am NOT an electrical person at all... but I did try to wire
per the Aeroelectric manual.- =0A=0AAny thoughts?--=0A-Michael Hild
erbrand=0ADerby, Kansas=0AHttp://www.kansasflying.com
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Hi Thom,
Some one else on another website pointed out their math was a little to be desired,
but the concept and product work.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Ram Air Ducting with 3300 |
List,
The install DVD for the 3300 talks about gluing or riveting in the Ram air ducts
additional "baffles" over the rear two cylinders to improve cooling.
What the video does not say is how wide to make these baffles, obviously they go
from side to side, but how deep? They look like maybe 1/2" or 15mm. Anybody
experimented with this dimension?
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | Ram Air Ducting with 3300 |
There already is a deflector over the rear cylinders bonded into the ducts
as they come from the factory. An additional deflector over the middle
cylinders is often helpful. The deflectors start out at about a half inch
tall and then after flight testing are reduced to a depth that provides even
cooling for the rear two cylinders on each side.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
931-680-2800
www.usjabiru.com
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[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AZFlyer
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air Ducting with 3300
List,
The install DVD for the 3300 talks about gluing or riveting in the Ram air
ducts additional "baffles" over the rear two cylinders to improve cooling.
What the video does not say is how wide to make these baffles, obviously
they go from side to side, but how deep? They look like maybe 1/2" or
15mm. Anybody experimented with this dimension?
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
601 XL, 3300, Dynon
Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"!
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Nobody has mentioned the rerouting of the ground on the starter as a
possible solution. From the factory the starter grounds through the two long
bolts that clamp the starter together. These can get corroded and not
adequately ground the starter's actual ground circuit. I think there is an
SB which says to add a substantial ground strap from one end of the starter
to the other.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Well....I know my plugs are set at .024,so I will put them at .022 and I checked
the coils and they were set at around .036...so I'm thinking that is my big
problem...I will adjust tomorrow and try it and let you all know...I have a 60
watt bulb I place under the engine with a sleeping bag wrapped around it and
that works great ! Keeps the engine around 95* ! It always starts then !
chris ambrose
m3x/jab a-2200 74 hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Chris,
Very creative engine warmer using what is at hand.
I use a 25 watt bulb in an old igloo ice chest to keep my lubricants, loctites.
RTVs etc from freezing in our unheated shop/hangar during the winter.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Easy way to set ignition coil gap:
Line up flywheel magnets with the coil. Loosen coil attach bolts. Pull
coil away from magnet. Insert business card between coil & magnet. Let
magnets pull the coil tight up against the business card. Tighten bolts and
work prop back & forth to remove card.
Pete
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
931-680-2800
www.usjabiru.com
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[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ces308
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: cold weather starting
Well....I know my plugs are set at .024,so I will put them at .022 and I
checked the coils and they were set at around .036...so I'm thinking that is
my big problem...I will adjust tomorrow and try it and let you all know...I
have a 60 watt bulb I place under the engine with a sleeping bag wrapped
around it and that works great ! Keeps the engine around 95* ! It always
starts then !
chris ambrose
m3x/jab a-2200 74 hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: cold weather starting |
Pete...Thank you....
chris ambrose
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