---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/27/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:12 AM - Part II engine problem (Michael Hilderbrand) 2. 02:35 PM - Re: Part II engine problem (James, Clive R) 3. 02:57 PM - Re: Part II engine problem (Keith Pickford) 4. 04:32 PM - Re: Part II engine problem (Kayberg@aol.com) 5. 07:26 PM - Re: Firewall Attachment Plates Thickness? (Thruster87) 6. 07:59 PM - Re: Part II engine problem (Michael Hilderbrand) 7. 08:52 PM - Re: Part II engine problem (Keith Pickford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:38 AM PST US From: Michael Hilderbrand Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Well, after calling Pete at jab- we pulled the head off and inspected eve rything. The heads look fine to me. The valve springs function without indi cating-any sticking.--Looking inside the cylinder-there-are a cou ple areas of rough spots you can palpate with your finger tips.- We also found out what was making the noise - so we think --the piston hitting th e wall of the cylinder.- =0A=0AI did not have time to remove the cylinder --did not have a tool to access this.- We-are going to the-field i n-few hours to remove the cylinder-and make another call to Pete. =0A =0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkSQR2HTek=0A=0A-Michael Hilderbrand =0ADerby, Kansas=0AHttp://www.kansasflying.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:41 PM PST US Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem From: "James, Clive R" How can that be Doug? ________________________________ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand Sent: 27 October 2009 16:10 Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Well, after calling Pete at jab we pulled the head off and inspected everything. The heads look fine to me. The valve springs function without indicating any sticking. Looking inside the cylinder there are a couple areas of rough spots you can palpate with your finger tips. We also found out what was making the noise - so we think - the piston hitting the wall of the cylinder. I did not have time to remove the cylinder - did not have a tool to access this. We are going to the field in few hours to remove the cylinder and make another call to Pete. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkSQR2HTek Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:37 PM PST US From: Keith Pickford Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Hi Michael - I believe there were some engines that did not have sufficient piston to bo re clearance and that produced some sort of noise. The engine I heard of wa s a early hydraulic lifter one before the camshaft and lifters were altered - Regards Keith --- On Wed, 28/10/09, Michael Hilderbrand wro te: From: Michael Hilderbrand Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Received: Wednesday, 28 October, 2009, 5:09 AM Well, after calling Pete at jab- we pulled the head off and inspected eve rything. The heads look fine to me. The valve springs function without indi cating-any sticking.--Looking inside the cylinder-there-are a cou ple areas of rough spots you can palpate with your finger tips.- We also found out what was making the noise - so we think --the piston hitting th e wall of the cylinder.- - I did not have time to remove the cylinder --did not have a tool to acces s this.- We-are going to the-field in-few hours to remove the cylin der-and make another call to Pete. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkSQR2HTek -Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:03 PM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem assuming I am the Doug you are asking, I dont exactly know what is going on. I think the rings are sticking tho. Since the engine has so little time on it, I wonder if it has been sitting for some time and the assembly lube has stopped doing its job. I was wrong about the valve sticking. The head looked perfect. Doug Koenigsberg In a message dated 10/27/2009 5:36:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james@uk.bp.com writes: How can that be Doug? ____________________________________ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand Sent: 27 October 2009 16:10 Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Well, after calling Pete at jab we pulled the head off and inspected everything. The heads look fine to me. The valve springs function without indicating any sticking. Looking inside the cylinder there are a couple areas of rough spots you can palpate with your finger tips. We also found out what was making the noise - so we think - the piston hitting the wall of the cylinder. I did not have time to remove the cylinder - did not have a tool to access this. We are going to the field in few hours to remove the cylinder and make another call to Pete. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkSQR2HTek_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkSQR2HTek) Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:51 PM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Firewall Attachment Plates Thickness? From: "Thruster87" Just started to repair the engine mount and 7 & 8 should be 0.058" thick but again they have used only 0.035". Jabiru USA must get on top of this shoddy workmanship as this is the second engine mount that is not to specifications.The only reason I could measure the wall thickness was do to it cracking and during straightening breaking off completely. I now wonder how many under sized Jabiru engine mounts are out there. Cheers T87 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269773#269773 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:04 PM PST US From: Michael Hilderbrand Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Hey, Doug.. or anyone-else with experience with-dis-assembly.- We spe nt 5 hours-today trying to-get-the-# 6 cylinder off.--Using the called out 7/16" Crow's foot did not work that well.- The nuts seemed li ke they were WAY more than 30ft lbs. The bottom left nut would-NOT come o ff.--The Crow's foot-ended up slipping off several times ROUNDING the nut - and eventually rounding the Crow foot.-- Now I am in a BAD situa tion!- I may end up going to a-welder tomorrow to have them make me a t ool-with a 6 point socket-with the right geometry to get in there.... - VERY FRUSTRATING day!- =0A-Michael Hilderbrand=0ADerby, Kansas=0AHt tp://www.kansasflying.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: "Kayberg@aol.com" =0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:24:47 PM=0ASubject: Re: JabiruE ngine-List: Part II engine problem=0A=0Aassuming I am the Doug you are aski ng,- I dont exactly-know what is going on.-- =0A=0AI think the ring s are sticking tho. Since the engine has so little time on it, I wonder if it has been sitting for some time and the assembly lube has stopped doing i ts job.- =0A=0AI was wrong about the valve sticking.- The head looked p erfect.=0A=0ADoug Koenigsberg=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 10/27/2009 5 :36:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james@uk.bp.com writes:=0AHow can that be Doug?=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: owner-jabi ruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand=0A>Sent: 27 October 2009 16: 10=0A>To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Pa rt II engine problem=0A>=0A>=0A>Well, after calling Pete at jab- we pulle d the head off and inspected everything. The heads look fine to me. The val ve springs function without indicating-any sticking.--Looking inside the cylinder-there-are a couple areas of rough spots you can palpate wi th your finger tips.- We also found out what was making the noise - so we think --the piston hitting the wall of the cylinder.- =0A>=0A>I did no t have time to remove the cylinder --did not have a tool to access this. - We-are going to the-field in-few hours to remove the cylinder-a nd make another call to Pete. =0A>=0A>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkS QR2HTek=0A>=0A>-Michael Hilderbrand=0A>Derby, Kansas=0A>Http://www.kansas =================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:23 PM PST US From: Keith Pickford Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Hi Michael - I welded 2 sockets together - works fine - - Regards keith --- On Wed, 28/10/09, Michael Hilderbrand wro te: From: Michael Hilderbrand Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Received: Wednesday, 28 October, 2009, 3:58 PM Hey, Doug.. or anyone-else with experience with-dis-assembly.- We spe nt 5 hours-today trying to-get-the-# 6 cylinder off.--Using the called out 7/16" Crow's foot did not work that well.- The nuts seemed li ke they were WAY more than 30ft lbs. The bottom left nut would-NOT come o ff.--The Crow's foot-ended up slipping off several times ROUNDING the nut - and eventually rounding the Crow foot.-- Now I am in a BAD situa tion!- I may end up going to a-welder tomorrow to have them make me a t ool-with a 6 point socket-with the right geometry to get in there.... - VERY FRUSTRATING day!- -Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com From: "Kayberg@aol.com" Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:24:47 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem assuming I am the Doug you are asking,- I dont exactly-know what is goi ng on.-- - I think the rings are sticking tho. Since the engine has so little time on it, I wonder if it has been sitting for some time and the assembly lube has stopped doing its job.- - I was wrong about the valve sticking.- The head looked perfect. - Doug Koenigsberg - - - - In a message dated 10/27/2009 5:36:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.jam es@uk.bp.com writes: How can that be Doug? From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand Sent: 27 October 2009 16:10 Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Part II engine problem Well, after calling Pete at jab- we pulled the head off and inspected eve rything. The heads look fine to me. The valve springs function without indi cating-any sticking.--Looking inside the cylinder-there-are a cou ple areas of rough spots you can palpate with your finger tips.- We also found out what was making the noise - so we think --the piston hitting th e wall of the cylinder.- - I did not have time to remove the cylinder --did not have a tool to acces s this.- We-are going to the-field in-few hours to remove the cylin der-and make another call to Pete. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CkSQR2HTek -Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message jabiruengine-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/JabiruEngine-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/jabiruengine-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/jabiruengine-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.