---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/28/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:10 AM - cylinder nuts (Richard Girard) 2. 07:20 AM - Re: cylinder nuts (flylightning) 3. 09:59 AM - Re: cylinder nuts (Naftali Horowitz) 4. 10:51 AM - Re: Part II engine problem (wypaul) 5. 10:55 AM - Re: cylinder nuts (Richard Girard) 6. 11:49 AM - Re: cylinder nuts (flylightning) 7. 12:16 PM - Re: cylinder nuts (Richard Girard) 8. 01:24 PM - Re: Radio popping (Noelloveys) 9. 01:52 PM - Re: cylinder nuts (flylightning) 10. 01:59 PM - Re: cylinder nuts (Richard Girard) 11. 02:55 PM - Re: cylinder nuts (flylightning) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:23 AM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts From: Richard Girard Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Like all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3300 lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on makes them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in line with the torque wrench. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:32 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Also called a "Crows-foot" wrench if ordering from other places. Nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Like all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3300 lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on makes them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in line with the torque wrench. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:12 AM PST US From: Naftali Horowitz Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts The correct size is 7/16"=2C not 13 mm. From: info@flylightning.net Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Also called a =93Crows-foot=94 wrench if ordering from other places. Nick From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday=2C October 28=2C 2009 9:10 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Mike=2C all=2C a little late to help with your engine=2C but it might save someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one pic tured. They're available in metric sizes of 10=2C 13=2C 15=2C and 18 mm. Li ke all Snap On stuff they're pricey=2C $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3300 lists for $16=2C500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on makes them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas f or calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in l ine with the torque wrench. Rick Girard _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID 24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:14 AM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Part II engine problem From: "wypaul" Michael, I posted the proper tool numbers for both Snap On and Proto a couple of days ago. As you found out the crows foot is NOT the right tool. Paul -------- Paul Spackman Q-2 Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269867#269867 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts From: Richard Girard Nick, this is a crow foot wrench, I did a search for a box end crow foot an d found only one source, available only in a set and the drive was wrong for using a torque wrench with them. If you go to Sears and ask for a crow foot this is what you get, and as Mike experienced they don't work out too well. The first picture I posted is the torque adapter I bought to torque the heads on my Shovelhead Harley about 15 years ago. Always gives a correct reading and never rounded a head bolt. Do what you wish, it's a free country, but I buy tools as good as the project. Saves money and time in th e long run to do the job right the first time. Rick Girard On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Naftali Horowitz wr ote: > The correct size is 7/16", not 13 mm. > > ------------------------------ > From: info@flylightning.net > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:17:07 -0500 > > > Also called a =93Crows-foot=94 wrench if ordering from other places. > > > Nick > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Girard > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10 AM > *To:* jabiruengine-list > *Subject:* JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > > > Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save > someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one > pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Lik e > all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3 300 > lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on mak es > them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for > calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in li ne > with the torque wrench. > > > Rick Girard > > * > > -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-Listronics.comww.m atronics.com/contribution > * > > > ------------------------------ > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > > * > =========== /www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:09 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts The question than begs what is the project? nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Nick, this is a crow foot wrench, I did a search for a box end crow foot and found only one source, available only in a set and the drive was wrong for using a torque wrench with them. If you go to Sears and ask for a crow foot this is what you get, and as Mike experienced they don't work out too well. The first picture I posted is the torque adapter I bought to torque the heads on my Shovelhead Harley about 15 years ago. Always gives a correct reading and never rounded a head bolt. Do what you wish, it's a free country, but I buy tools as good as the project. Saves money and time in the long run to do the job right the first time. Rick Girard On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Naftali Horowitz wrote: The correct size is 7/16", not 13 mm. _____ From: info@flylightning.net Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Also called a "Crows-foot" wrench if ordering from other places. Nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Like all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3300 lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on makes them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in line with the torque wrench. Rick Girard -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts From: Richard Girard In this case it's loosening and torqueing cylinder, or in my case, head bolts. Rick On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM, flylightning wrote : > The question than begs what is the project? > > > nick > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Girard > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:44 PM > > *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > > > Nick, this is a crow foot wrench, I did a search for a box end crow foot > and found only one source, available only in a set and the drive was wron g > for using a torque wrench with them. If you go to Sears and ask for a cro w > foot this is what you get, and as Mike experienced they don't work out to o > well. The first picture I posted is the torque adapter I bought to torque > the heads on my Shovelhead Harley about 15 years ago. Always gives a corr ect > reading and never rounded a head bolt. Do what you wish, it's a free > country, but I buy tools as good as the project. Saves money and time in the > long run to do the job right the first time. > > > Rick Girard > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Naftali Horowitz > wrote: > > The correct size is 7/16", not 13 mm. > > ------------------------------ > > From: info@flylightning.net > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:17:07 -0500 > > > Also called a =93Crows-foot=94 wrench if ordering from other places. > > > Nick > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Girard > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10 AM > *To:* jabiruengine-list > *Subject:* JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > > > Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save > someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one > pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Lik e > all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3 300 > lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on mak es > them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for > calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in li ne > with the torque wrench. > > > Rick Girard > > * * > > * * > > *-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List* > > *ronics.com* > > *ww.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > ------------------------------ > > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > > * * > > * * > > *ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-L ist* > > *a>http://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:22 PM PST US From: "Noelloveys" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping That would be a good idea too! Keep the list informed as to what you find out. Noel From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping Noel, I appreciate all your help. I will check & double check all my wires. I guess if all else fails Bob knockoll's (sp) just lives 20 or so miles away... maybe he would look at it. :) Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com _____ From: Noelloveys Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:17:18 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping Because your interference speeds up with rpm it suggests a few things. First of all because aircraft and towers you are talking to do not hear the interference it means the problem is not radio frequency (RF). This is great as it eliminates checking all the coax wires to your antennas. A few other possibilities exist. One can be a shield on a shielded wire that is grounded at both ends. Grounding the shield at both ends turns the shield from a shield to an inductor. Sort of like a guard turning to the other side. Another possibility is the p leads for your magnetos should be shielded wires grounded at one end preferably the firewall end. I=99m not sure if you are using an audio panel or not but if you are, all the interconnect wires going between the audio panel and the other items of your stack should be made using shielded wire grounded at the audio panel end. That goes for things like the mic and phone lines going to the jacks. Once you have checked out those few items and made sure the case of your radio is also securely grounded if you still get the interference try resistor plugs or even resistor plug caps. Keep us all informed on how things turn out for you. One small piece of advice is there are literally hundreds of people around who have a lot of experience, not to mention equipment who are radio amateurs. It may not hurt to have one assist you in checking out your installation. I also recommend to everyone to draw a block diagram of your installation as you do your check out include things in your diagram such as wire colours or numbers and ground placements. Keep the diagram so you can refer to it if you ever want to change your installation or track down another problem. Noel From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping Noel, Yes! It does increase with RPM. I was looking at my mag wires today and noticed that I made a pigtail from the shield material in the wire (side connected to engine) and grounded this to the firewall ground - all my grounds connect eventually. The panel ground leads to the firewall ground - which leads to the neg battery. I did not shield any of the wires to or from my com radio - the instructions did not mention it, anyways.. something to look at I guess. Thanks! Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com _____ From: Noelloveys Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:25:28 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping Michael: If you find the popping frequency increases with rpm then your problem is most probably a bad ground in your audio section. Audio connecting lines should only be shield grounded at the feed end never at both ends. The grounds do however need to be very clean. You will find, as I have, better than 90% of interference problems in aircraft are caused by poor grounding somewhere. The trick is to figure out where. If you find the popping does not increase with throttle then the possibility is a heavy capacitor of sufficient voltage across the DC buss on your radios should cure it. In the meantime the R582 engine ( you may have one) is a bit of an oddball in that it is recommended to use both resistor caps (5K Ohm) and 5K Ohm plugs. Noel From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping Noel, I could not appreciate if the popping changes rate with RPM during the ground running operations. My attention was really focused on RPM, EGT, and CHTs at the time (trying to fine-tune an Aerocarb for first flight operation). At the time I was aggressively changing RPM but was on the local frequency - traffic transmissions were too short in nature to notice a change in popping. When no one is transmitting everything is normal. I will listen to ATIS continuously on Friday while running the engine and report back. Thanks! Michael Hilderbrand Derby, KS www.kansasflying.com _____ From: Noelloveys Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:48:06 AM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping This is Thursday morning so I=99m taking a chanced you haven=99t gotten any answers or even a fix yet. First thing is, does the popping change rate with the rpm of the engine? Noel From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Hilderbrand Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Radio popping Hey guys, I am doing some initial ground rounds with my Jab3300 engine and was noticing a popping noise in the headsets - while receiving ONLY. The popping noise is pretty bad. At first I thought is might have been the other aircraft's radio (flying in the pattern), but after tuning to a local ATIS I got the same popping sound. I am just trying to see if it might be something obvious, something that one of you might have experienced as well? It does not happen when the engine is not running. I am thinking that maybe I should start out by buying resistor plugs? I am NOT an electrical person at all... but I did try to wire per the Aeroelectric manual. Any thoughts? 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Rick On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM, flylightning wrote: The question than begs what is the project? nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Nick, this is a crow foot wrench, I did a search for a box end crow foot and found only one source, available only in a set and the drive was wrong for using a torque wrench with them. If you go to Sears and ask for a crow foot this is what you get, and as Mike experienced they don't work out too well. The first picture I posted is the torque adapter I bought to torque the heads on my Shovelhead Harley about 15 years ago. Always gives a correct reading and never rounded a head bolt. Do what you wish, it's a free country, but I buy tools as good as the project. Saves money and time in the long run to do the job right the first time. Rick Girard On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Naftali Horowitz wrote: The correct size is 7/16", not 13 mm. _____ From: info@flylightning.net Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Also called a "Crows-foot" wrench if ordering from other places. Nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Like all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3300 lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on makes them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in line with the torque wrench. Rick Girard -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts From: Richard Girard Oh, I have a Kolb Mk III that desperately wants a 2200. :-) Rick On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM, flylightning wrote : > Meant what aircraft are you building? > > > nick > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Girard > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:16 PM > > *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > > > In this case it's loosening and torqueing cylinder, or in my case, head > bolts. > > > Rick > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM, flylightning > wrote: > > The question than begs what is the project? > > > nick > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Girard > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:44 PM > > > *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > > > Nick, this is a crow foot wrench, I did a search for a box end crow foot > and found only one source, available only in a set and the drive was wron g > for using a torque wrench with them. If you go to Sears and ask for a cro w > foot this is what you get, and as Mike experienced they don't work out to o > well. The first picture I posted is the torque adapter I bought to torque > the heads on my Shovelhead Harley about 15 years ago. Always gives a corr ect > reading and never rounded a head bolt. Do what you wish, it's a free > country, but I buy tools as good as the project. Saves money and time in the > long run to do the job right the first time. > > > Rick Girard > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Naftali Horowitz > wrote: > > The correct size is 7/16", not 13 mm. > > ------------------------------ > > From: info@flylightning.net > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:17:07 -0500 > > > Also called a =93Crows-foot=94 wrench if ordering from other places. > > > Nick > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Girard > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10 AM > *To:* jabiruengine-list > *Subject:* JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts > > > Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save > someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one > pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Lik e > all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3 300 > lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on mak es > them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for > calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in li ne > with the torque wrench. > > > Rick Girard > > * * > > * * > > *-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List* > > *ronics.com* > > *ww.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > ------------------------------ > > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > > * * > > * * > > *ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-L ist* > > *a>http://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > *ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-L ist* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== /www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:12 PM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Ok, it's a good engine. nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Oh, I have a Kolb Mk III that desperately wants a 2200. :-) Rick On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM, flylightning wrote: Meant what aircraft are you building? nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts In this case it's loosening and torqueing cylinder, or in my case, head bolts. Rick On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM, flylightning wrote: The question than begs what is the project? nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Nick, this is a crow foot wrench, I did a search for a box end crow foot and found only one source, available only in a set and the drive was wrong for using a torque wrench with them. If you go to Sears and ask for a crow foot this is what you get, and as Mike experienced they don't work out too well. The first picture I posted is the torque adapter I bought to torque the heads on my Shovelhead Harley about 15 years ago. Always gives a correct reading and never rounded a head bolt. Do what you wish, it's a free country, but I buy tools as good as the project. Saves money and time in the long run to do the job right the first time. Rick Girard On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Naftali Horowitz wrote: The correct size is 7/16", not 13 mm. _____ From: info@flylightning.net Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Also called a "Crows-foot" wrench if ordering from other places. Nick _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: cylinder nuts Mike, all, a little late to help with your engine, but it might save someone else some grief. Snap On Tools has torque adapters like the one pictured. They're available in metric sizes of 10, 13, 15, and 18 mm. Like all Snap On stuff they're pricey, $30 for the 13mm. On the other hand a 3300 lists for $16,500. Cheap when you consider what can go wrong. Snap on makes them so it's 2" (50.8 mm) between centers and includes formulas for calculating corrections in torque readings when the adapter is used in line with the torque wrench. Rick Girard -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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