---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/29/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:11 AM - Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%... (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:27 AM - Re: Warning...Watch Out for Jabiru USA Rip-Offs!!!!!! (dons701) 2. 09:11 AM - Re: Warning...Watch Out for Jabiru USA Rip-Offs!!!!!! (AZFlyer) 3. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Warning...Watch Out for Jabiru USA Rip-Offs!!!!!! (Kayberg@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:07 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%... Dear Listers, This year's List Fund Raiser is still trailing last year by a 12% margin. 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From: "dons701" Mike, I have done the same thing - When ordering from any business by phone, forget to ask; "What will be the total price including shipping ?" Sounds like you did'nt ask, or else you would not have ordered. Sorry to say that it sounds like you ripped yourself off. Believe me I know the feeling [Embarassed] Yes they are nice people at Jabiru USA. -------- Zenith 701 #76120 Jabiru 2200A #2456 55 hours Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275327#275327 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:43 AM PST US Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Warning...Watch Out for Jabiru USA Rip-Offs!!!!!! From: "AZFlyer" People, I am usually very careful about internet or phone orders with a credit card. Shipping was not the issue here. That was $3.00. I have since ordered from ACS a similar, but stainless steel rivet for a fraction of the cost that Jab. USA ripped me off for. Yes, it is my fault for letting this happen! It will not happen to me again. I don't buy the "support" issue in this case... Jab. USA hasn't shown me any support. On with the upgrades... Luck, Mike -------- Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com 601 XL, 3300, Dynon Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275331#275331 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:10 PM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Warning...Watch Out for Jabiru USA Rip-Offs!!!!!! Just out of idle curiosity, did you call them and discuss the bill before posting your displeasure? Unless I misread something, it would seem that you didn't. I am very familiar with the level of courtesy, honesty, fairness and customer service that the good folks at USA Jabiru. What you have described is out of character, particularly for the leadership there. Over my years of working with ALL of them, I have not detected the slightest tinge of a desire to "rip people off". I would not do business with them if they did. What you have described sounds like a miscommunication between two of the folks there...not larceny in their souls. It is also possible you have not shared all of the story. The firmness of THEIR character does not make them patsies; so could there be more to it? By all means let us hear from you if you are able to negotiate a more positive outcome. Doug Koenigsberg In a message dated 11/29/2009 12:12:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, millrML@aol.com writes: People, I am usually very careful about internet or phone orders with a credit card. Shipping was not the issue here. That was $3.00. I have since ordered from ACS a similar, but stainless steel rivet for a fraction of the cost that Jab. USA ripped me off for. Yes, it is my fault for letting this happen! It will not happen to me again. I don't buy the "support" issue in this case... Jab. USA hasn't shown me any support. On with the upgrades... 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