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1. 12:14 AM - Re: Ram Air (James, Clive R)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: Ram Air (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted (FLYaDIVE)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Ram Air (Robert Rivard)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted (Ivan)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted (Tony Graziano)
7. 08:51 AM - Re: Ram Air (Lynn Matteson)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted (Richard Girard)
9. 11:06 AM - Jabiru Engine Wanted (James Sagerser)
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The only issue with cowl air as I understand it is loss of power if the
air is warmed by the engine, can't imagine it's much.
The Jab engine being a clean one should mean your filter with last Ok.
Or is there something else I forgot?
________________________________
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex
Mantell
Sent: 11 January 2010 00:24
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air
I have a model 4 -1200 clasic with the jabiru 2200 and I use air from
inside the cowl and have no problems. Over 400 hrs in ten years and its
fine. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Rivard <mailto:bw12345@sbcglobal.net>
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air
I have a KitFox classic 4 with a 2200.Is it necessary to have Ram air or
can the air filter draw from inside the cowl attached directly to carb?
I am aware the vacuum hose has to be attached to the air filter.I tried
the Jabiru factory filter, Pete has been great, but there is not enough
room to mount the ram air filter box.
BOB
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I have a model IV with a 2200 Jabiru, and I found room to install the
air box as delivered by Pete back in 2005. You might have a larger
air box, as they have changed them over the years. With my Rotec TBI,
when I pull on the "carb heat" the engine actually picks up 40-80
rpm, and the fuel flow meter show a gain in fuel used by about .2-.4
GPH. This could be caused by my particular installation.
Be aware that the Sonex-type planes use only an air filter, and no
air box with their Jabiru installs, so it must work.
If you DO go with the air cleaner only and no air box, how will you
deal with the carb heat issue?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 834.5 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~167 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:57 AM, James, Clive R wrote:
> The only issue with cowl air as I understand it is loss of power if
> the air is warmed by the engine, can't imagine it's much.
> The Jab engine being a clean one should mean your filter with last Ok.
> Or is there something else I forgot?
>
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
> Sent: 11 January 2010 00:24
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air
>
> I have a model 4 -1200 clasic with the jabiru 2200 and I use air
> from inside the cowl and have no problems. Over 400 hrs in ten
> years and its fine. Tex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Rivard
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:52 PM
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air
>
> I have a KitFox classic 4 with a 2200.Is it necessary to have Ram
> air or can the air filter draw from inside the cowl attached
> directly to carb? I am aware the vacuum hose has to be attached to
> the air filter.I tried the Jabiru factory filter, Pete has been
> great, but there is not enough room to mount the ram air filter box.
> BOB
>
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| Subject: | Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted |
Hi Tony:
I'm from NJ and being we are a Dam-o-cratic state it is NOT possable to get
MoGas without the Al Gore Additive.
Barry
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Tony Graziano <Tonyplane@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Barry
> I have been using mogas and avgas since July 05 in my Jab 3300.
> No problems. Recommend 92/93 (U. S. Octane) without the "Al Gore"
> additive.
>
> Tony Graziano
> Zodiac/Jab 3300. 551hours
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:21 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys;
>
> A question: After reading JABIRU's web site I noticed that they "REQUIRE"
> 95 or 100 LL octane. Yet, on I believe Zodiac's site they say 93 Auto Gas
> "MoGas" is acceptable. So, are there any REAL WORLD answers to this? I am
> not interested in hearing about what JABIRU recommends or what the warranty
> states; just real running running engines histories.
>
> I ask this question because I'm looking to build or buy a LSA and cost is
> always an issue.
>
> Barry
>
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I have the electric carb heat availible from Pete at Jabiru
BOB
--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air
I have a model IV with a 2200 Jabiru, and I found room to install the air b
ox as delivered by Pete back in 2005. You might have a larger air box, as t
hey have changed them over the years. With my Rotec TBI, when I pull on the
"carb heat" the engine actually picks up 40-80 rpm, and the fuel flow mete
r show a gain in fuel used by about .2-.4 GPH. This could be caused by my p
articular installation.
Be aware that the Sonex-type planes use only an air filter, and no air box
with their Jabiru installs, so it must work.
If you DO go with the air cleaner only and no air box, how will you deal wi
th the carb heat issue?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 834.5 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~167 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:57 AM, James, Clive R wrote:
> The only issue with cowl air as I understand it is loss of power if the a
ir is warmed by the engine, can't imagine it's much.
> The Jab engine being a clean one should mean your filter with last Ok.
> Or is there something else I forgot?
>
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruen
gine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
> Sent: 11 January 2010 00:24
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air
>
> I have a model 4 -1200 clasic with the jabiru 2200 and I use air from ins
ide the cowl and have no problems. Over 400 hrs in ten years and its fine.
---Tex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Rivard
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:52 PM
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Ram Air
>
> I have a KitFox classic 4 with a 2200.Is it necessary to have Ram air or
can the air filter draw from inside the cowl attached directly to carb? I a
m aware the vacuum hose has to be attached to the air filter.I tried the Ja
biru factory filter, Pete has been great, but there is not enough room to m
ount the ram air filter box.
> BOB
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted |
Hi Tony,
Great ! maybe the additive may help clean up the pollution in the
"garden state." lol
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: FLYaDIVE
To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted
Hi Tony:
I'm from NJ and being we are a Dam-o-cratic state it is NOT possable
to get MoGas without the Al Gore Additive.
Barry
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Tony Graziano
<Tonyplane@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Barry
I have been using mogas and avgas since July 05 in my Jab 3300.
No problems. Recommend 92/93 (U. S. Octane) without the "Al Gore"
additive.
Tony Graziano
Zodiac/Jab 3300. 551hours
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:21 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys;
A question: After reading JABIRU's web site I noticed that they
"REQUIRE" 95 or 100 LL octane. Yet, on I believe Zodiac's site they say
93 Auto Gas "MoGas" is acceptable. So, are there any REAL WORLD answers
to this? I am not interested in hearing about what JABIRU recommends or
what the warranty states; just real running running engines histories.
I ask this question because I'm looking to build or buy a LSA and
cost is always an issue.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted |
The problem I found with the algore additive is that is made my fuel
caps hard to remove an I suspect messed up my fuel flow turbine.
I suspect the seals were affected.
Also, maybe our elected "leaders" should provide $$$$$$$$$$$
funding to slected "climate scientists" to gather data to support
the additive's contribution to the current global cooling. :)
Tony
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Ivan" <imap8ntr@cox.net> wrote:
Hi Tony,
Great ! maybe the additive may help clean up the pollution in the "garden state."
lol
Ivan
----- Original Message -----
From: FLYaDIVE
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted
Hi Tony:
I'm from NJ and being we are a Dam-o-cratic state it is NOT possable to get MoGas
without the Al Gore Additive.
Barry
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Tony Graziano <Tonyplane@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Barry
I have been using mogas and avgas since July 05 in my Jab 3300.
No problems. Recommend 92/93 (U. S. Octane) without the "Al Gore"
additive.
Tony Graziano
Zodiac/Jab 3300. 551hours
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:21 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys;
A question: After reading JABIRU's web site I noticed that they "REQUIRE" 95 or
100 LL octane. Yet, on I believe Zodiac's site they say 93 Auto Gas "MoGas"
is acceptable. So, are there any REAL WORLD answers to this? I am not interested
in hearing about what JABIRU recommends or what the warranty states; just
real running running engines histories.
I ask this question because I'm looking to build or buy a LSA and cost is always
an issue.
Barry
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Right, right, right.....I keep forgetting about that....sorry.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 834.5 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~167 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Robert Rivard wrote:
> I have the electric carb heat availible from Pete at Jabiru
>
> BOB
>
> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> If you DO go with the air cleaner only and no air box, how will you
> deal with the carb heat issue?
>
> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted |
Just for the record, ethanol in fuel predates the climate debate by about 20
years, back to the second time we were trying to get off the Arab oil tit.
Now, it's just another give away to big agra and big oil.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Tony Graziano <Tonyplane@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> The problem I found with the algore additive is that is made my fuel
> caps hard to remove an I suspect messed up my fuel flow turbine.
> I suspect the seals were affected.
> Also, maybe our elected "leaders" should provide $$$$$$$$$$$
> funding to slected "climate scientists" to gather data to support
> the additive's contribution to the current global cooling. :)
>
> Tony
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> vmint
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, "Ivan" <imap8ntr@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
> Great ! maybe the additive may help clean up the pollution in the "garden
> state." lol
> Ivan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
> *To:* <jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2010 7:09 AM
> *Subject:* Re: JabiruEngine-List: mogas fuel Jabiru 3300 Wanted
>
> Hi Tony:
>
> I'm from NJ and being we are a Dam-o-cratic state it is NOT possable to get
> MoGas without the Al Gore Additive.
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Tony Graziano < <Tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
> Tonyplane@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Barry
>> I have been using mogas and avgas since July 05 in my Jab 3300.
>> No problems. Recommend 92/93 (U. S. Octane) without the "Al Gore"
>> additive.
>>
>> Tony Graziano
>> Zodiac/Jab 3300. 551hours
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:21 AM, FLYaDIVE < <flyadive@gmail.com>
>> flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys;
>>
>> A question: After reading JABIRU's web site I noticed that they "REQUIRE"
>> 95 or 100 LL octane. Yet, on I believe Zodiac's site they say 93 Auto Gas
>> "MoGas" is acceptable. So, are there any REAL WORLD answers to this? I am
>> not interested in hearing about what JABIRU recommends or what the warranty
>> states; just real running running engines histories.
>>
>> I ask this question because I'm looking to build or buy a LSA and cost is
>> always an issue.
>>
>> Barry
>>
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| Subject: | Jabiru Engine Wanted |
Wanted to repost this as my original post morphed into a discussion about
mogas.
*Am looking for a runout or rebuildable Jabiru 3300 engine at a good price.
Prefer hydraulic lifters. Would also consider a later model 2200 with
hydraulic lifters. Please contact me off list at : lvuman@gmail.com
<lvuman@gmail.com?subject=Re:%20Jabiru%203300%20Wanted&replyto=fa9ea4801001081815u5a2f44f2r4da63e97e21c4999@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks in advance. Jim
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