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1. 05:29 AM - Re: Starting Problem (Chris Brooks)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: Starting Problem (FLYaDIVE)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Re: Starting Problem (Pete Krotje)
4. 09:02 AM - Re: Replacement Oil Cooler (Don McIntosh)
5. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Starting Problem (Pete Krotje)
6. 10:05 AM - Re: Starting Problem (ces308)
7. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Replacement Oil Cooler (Pete Krotje)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 03/24/10 (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
9. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Starting Problem (N1BZRich@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Problem |
Chris, I see the "cobbling" possibility we discussed yesterday is the
route you decided to take. In addition to any staking you may be able to
do on that bearing I would still consider the Locktite 620 retaining
compound I also suggested yesterday. Sorry I couldn't be more help, but
I'm not that familiar with the Bosch starter.
Chris Brooks
Thank you Paul...
I took the starter apart and found that the front bearing came out
of where it
was supposed to be .I have to get the pinion gear off them press
the bearing
back into it's spot...then punch the edges so it won't come out
again. Hope to
be back in the air tomorrow !
chris ambrose
M3X/A-2200 jab 106 hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Problem |
Chris:
Did he really say COBBLE? Other than shoe repair and round rocks...
To cobble something is to assemble hastily or clumsily.
>From what I read this is a PRESS FIT gear that engages with the ring
gear of the engine? If this is the case ... DUMP THE STARTER! You
NEVER want a press fit in an application that takes shear loads.
Bring the starter to a STARTER/ALTERNATOR repair shop. They will be
able to rebuild it correctly. Other wise jump all over the supplier.
What MAROON designed that starter engine combination or starter gear
combination. They should make good on it, other wise they are just
going to get a bad reputation.
Barry
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:39 PM, flylightning <info@flylightning.net> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Is this the oilite bronze bushing in the nose of the starter cone?
>
> Nick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ces308
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
>
>
> well...I talked to Chris at Jabiru in Tenn and unless I want to pay $480.00
> for a new started I'm screwed...Basically he said see if you can cobble the
> bearing back in the hole....
>
> not the answer I was looking for...back to the hangar.....
>
> chris ambrose
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291582#291582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Problem |
We have not found that to be the case
Pete
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From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Givan,
Max E (AS)
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
<max.givan@ngc.com>
But do NOT tell them is off of an airplane. Most shops wont touch
airplane repairs due to concern over legal liability
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Krotje
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
<pete@usjabiru.com>
You might try taking the starter to an automotive electrical rebuild
shop.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ces308
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
well...I talked to Chris at Jabiru in Tenn and unless I want to pay
$480.00
for a new started I'm screwed...Basically he said see if you can cobble
the
bearing back in the hole....
not the answer I was looking for...back to the hangar.....
chris ambrose
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement Oil Cooler |
Pete,
I do take offense to your assuming that I installed the cooling ducts incorrectly.
There is only one way to install them since they come with the three cutouts
for the 3 cylinders they fit over and the outside edge has to just slide over
the valve covers to fit into place. It is like there is just 2 layers of glass
to the wrong side of their mold. I guess I am just suggesting that Jabiru
should take a look at their mold and give a little more clearance. Sure, it is
easy and only 4 or 5 hours of work to cut apart, sand the paint off, reglass,
sand and repaint, and I know this is what is required, I am just a little burnt
over it! The other reason to post this is to inform others that are in the
building stage that they need to take into account a little extra clearance is
needed around the oil filter since all the replacements are bigger than the
one they have in hand. I would have loved to have known this when it was dark
18 hours a day and 10 degrees outside when I was fitting the ducts and nothing
was finish painted - no big deal, I would have added this to the list of little
projects to get done before flying weather arrived as it has now.
--------
Don McIntosh
Kitfox Series 7
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Problem |
Oh No! Now the MAROON's are designing things? I always thought design
authority was limited to Greens and Violets with assistance from the Teals.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
Chris:
Did he really say COBBLE? Other than shoe repair and round rocks...
To cobble something is to assemble hastily or clumsily.
>From what I read this is a PRESS FIT gear that engages with the ring
gear of the engine? If this is the case ... DUMP THE STARTER! You
NEVER want a press fit in an application that takes shear loads.
Bring the starter to a STARTER/ALTERNATOR repair shop. They will be
able to rebuild it correctly. Other wise jump all over the supplier.
What MAROON designed that starter engine combination or starter gear
combination. They should make good on it, other wise they are just
going to get a bad reputation.
Barry
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:39 PM, flylightning <info@flylightning.net> wrote:
<info@flylightning.net>
>
> Chris,
>
> Is this the oilite bronze bushing in the nose of the starter cone?
>
> Nick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ces308
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
>
>
> well...I talked to Chris at Jabiru in Tenn and unless I want to pay
$480.00
> for a new started I'm screwed...Basically he said see if you can cobble
the
> bearing back in the hole....
>
> not the answer I was looking for...back to the hangar.....
>
> chris ambrose
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291582#291582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Problem |
i GUESS BY "COBBLE" I mean,since the MFG has no fix for it,then do whatever it
takes to fix the problem...I fixed the problem and this won't happen again...If
anyone out there has the problem of the front bearing coming out and moving
back into the armature,Let me know and I will tell you how to fix it.
Chris,I didn't mean to sound disrespectful to you on line yesterday...I guess I
was a little disappointed in Jabiru more than anything.Thank you for your input
and help !
Thanks all for your help,
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 106hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement Oil Cooler |
Don,
Sorry if I offended you and I don't want to beat this to death but we've now
completed in our shop nearly 200 airplanes between Jabiru LSA's and
Lightnings, and a few other kit builts. We've supplied many hundreds of
engines and firewall forward kits to builders who have not reported
clearance problems. We've got enough experience to know that if the stock
Jabiru supplied airducts are installed correctly there is no clearance issue
with any of the oil filters we've used.
Contrary to your thinking there is more than one way to position those ducts
and they can be installed wrong. Once in a while early on when we were
still getting our build crew fully trained one of our crew would install one
a bit tight but reinstalling the duct correctly (and more training for the
crew member) solved the problem with little effort.
It is possible for a builder to widen out the ducts to try and make them
cover more cylinder fins or otherwise alter the fit. They can be squashed
down to a point where they don't fit. Installing the front air dam
incorrectly can pull the front of the duct out of shape. Any of these
things can cause a clearance problem.
You are wanting Jabiru to change a mold to make the installation goof proof
for the builder. I don't agree with that approach. The system works as
supplied if installed with the clearance Jabiru has built into their current
design.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
931-680-2800
www.usjabiru.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
McIntosh
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Replacement Oil Cooler
<don@contractorsnorthwest.com>
Pete,
I do take offense to your assuming that I installed the cooling ducts
incorrectly. There is only one way to install them since they come with the
three cutouts for the 3 cylinders they fit over and the outside edge has to
just slide over the valve covers to fit into place. It is like there is just
2 layers of glass to the wrong side of their mold. I guess I am just
suggesting that Jabiru should take a look at their mold and give a little
more clearance. Sure, it is easy and only 4 or 5 hours of work to cut apart,
sand the paint off, reglass, sand and repaint, and I know this is what is
required, I am just a little burnt over it! The other reason to post this is
to inform others that are in the building stage that they need to take into
account a little extra clearance is needed around the oil filter since all
the replacements are bigger than the one they have in hand. I would have
loved to have known this when it was dark 18 hours a day and 10 degrees
outside when I was fit!
ting the ducts and nothing was finish painted - no big deal, I would have
added this to the list of little projects to get done before flying weather
arrived as it has now.
--------
Don McIntosh
Kitfox Series 7
Jabiru 3300
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291676#291676
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 03/24/10 |
List,
When I buy aviation parts from a non aviation supplier I tell them it's for a Very
High Clearance off Road Vehicle.
Do Not Archive
bobby
601 XL
Florida
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Problem |
Now that's funny. And speaking of teals, aren't they an endangered
species?
Buz
In a message dated 3/25/2010 12:54:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pete@usjabiru.com writes:
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pete@usjabiru.com>
Oh No! Now the MAROON's are designing things? I always thought design
authority was limited to Greens and Violets with assistance from the Teals.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
Chris:
Did he really say COBBLE? Other than shoe repair and round rocks...
To cobble something is to assemble hastily or clumsily.
>From what I read this is a PRESS FIT gear that engages with the ring
gear of the engine? If this is the case ... DUMP THE STARTER! You
NEVER want a press fit in an application that takes shear loads.
Bring the starter to a STARTER/ALTERNATOR repair shop. They will be
able to rebuild it correctly. Other wise jump all over the supplier.
What MAROON designed that starter engine combination or starter gear
combination. They should make good on it, other wise they are just
going to get a bad reputation.
Barry
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:39 PM, flylightning <info@flylightning.net>
wrote:
> --> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: "flylightning"
<info@flylightning.net>
>
> Chris,
>
> Is this the oilite bronze bushing in the nose of the starter cone?
>
> Nick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ces308
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: Starting Problem
>
>
> well...I talked to Chris at Jabiru in Tenn and unless I want to pay
$480.00
> for a new started I'm screwed...Basically he said see if you can cobble
the
> bearing back in the hole....
>
> not the answer I was looking for...back to the hangar.....
>
> chris ambrose
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291582#291582
>
>
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