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1. 05:41 AM - Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 (John Lawton)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 (FLYaDIVE)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 (Martin Hone)
4. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 (Lynn Matteson)
5. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 (BobsV35B@aol.com)
6. 05:50 PM - TBI intake manifold...was oil filter gasket talk... (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 |
Hey Guys,
FWIW, when I attended Rotax school at Lockwood they recommended spinning the
filter on until contact with the gasket is made, then twist it on an
additional 3/4's of a turn. Also, they recommended using a dab of the old
oil to wet the gasket. Apparently, the carbon in the old oil helps the
filter to stick. If this method helps the filter stick on an engine that
shakes as bad as a Rotax 9xx does it should have no trouble at all staying
on a Jab. Another thing I liked that they suggested was filling the new
filter with oil before spinning it on to prevent a large void of air being
pumping through the journals at first start up after an oil change. Makes
sense.
BTW, I like the Baldwin B-33 filter, too.
Regards,'
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E - Flying
Jabiru 3300
Ximango N135XS - Flying
Rotax 912s (certified)
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 |
Hello John:
Did they say all that with a straight face? REALLY!
GO JAB... SCRAP a ROTAX!
Barry
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:37 AM, John Lawton <wingdingy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> FWIW, when I attended Rotax school at Lockwood they recommended spinning
> the filter on until contact with the gasket is made, then twist it on an
> additional 3/4's of a turn. Also, they recommended using a dab of the old
> oil to wet the gasket. Apparently, the carbon in the old oil helps the
> filter to stick. If this method helps the filter stick on an engine that
> shakes as bad as a Rotax 9xx does it should have no trouble at all staying
> on a Jab. Another thing I liked that they suggested was filling the new
> filter with oil before spinning it on to prevent a large void of air being
> pumping through the journals at first start up after an oil change. Makes
> sense.
>
> BTW, I like the Baldwin B-33 filter, too.
>
> Regards,'
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> Europa N245E - Flying
> Jabiru 3300
> Ximango N135XS - Flying
> Rotax 912s (certified)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 |
John,
That is pretty much SOP - putting a bit of oil on the filter gasket and
filling the filter with fresh prior to fitting.
But my understanding is that the reason you apply oil to the gasket is to
prevent it grabbing when you tighten it up and possibly tearing or winding
out of shape.
And are you serious about 912's shaking ? I'd be balancing your prop as
soon as possible !
Cheers
Martin
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:37 PM, John Lawton <wingdingy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> FWIW, when I attended Rotax school at Lockwood they recommended spinning
> the filter on until contact with the gasket is made, then twist it on an
> additional 3/4's of a turn. Also, they recommended using a dab of the old
> oil to wet the gasket. Apparently, the carbon in the old oil helps the
> filter to stick. If this method helps the filter stick on an engine that
> shakes as bad as a Rotax 9xx does it should have no trouble at all staying
> on a Jab. Another thing I liked that they suggested was filling the new
> filter with oil before spinning it on to prevent a large void of air being
> pumping through the journals at first start up after an oil change. Makes
> sense.
>
> BTW, I like the Baldwin B-33 filter, too.
>
> Regards,'
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> Europa N245E - Flying
> Jabiru 3300
> Ximango N135XS - Flying
> Rotax 912s (certified)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 |
I've always wondered why the filter instructions said to use new oil
to lube the gasket. Daredevil that I am, I just say screw 'em, and
use a drop of the old oil...besides, when I'm puttin' the filter on,
I don't have the new oil open yet. I'll be damned if they're gonna
make me use new oil on that gasket and cause a shortage of oil on the
market. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1089 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Temp. grounded...building new intake manifold.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 8:37 AM, John Lawton wrote:
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> FWIW, when I attended Rotax school at Lockwood they recommended
> spinning the filter on until contact with the gasket is made, then
> twist it on an additional 3/4's of a turn. Also, they recommended
> using a dab of the old oil to wet the gasket. Apparently, the
> carbon in the old oil helps the filter to stick. If this method
> helps the filter stick on an engine that shakes as bad as a Rotax
> 9xx does it should have no trouble at all staying on a Jab. Another
> thing I liked that they suggested was filling the new filter with
> oil before spinning it on to prevent a large void of air being
> pumping through the journals at first start up after an oil change.
> Makes sense.
>
> BTW, I like the Baldwin B-33 filter, too.
>
> Regards,'
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> Europa N245E - Flying
> Jabiru 3300
> Ximango N135XS - Flying
> Rotax 912s (certified)
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/22/11 |
Good Afternoon Lynn,
The directions on the Champion filter say to use Dow Corning Compound
number four on the gasket. If that is not available they say to use engine oil.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 3/23/2011 4:58:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
--> JabiruEngine-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I've always wondered why the filter instructions said to use new oil
to lube the gasket. Daredevil that I am, I just say screw 'em, and
use a drop of the old oil...besides, when I'm puttin' the filter on,
I don't have the new oil open yet. I'll be damned if they're gonna
make me use new oil on that gasket and cause a shortage of oil on the
market. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1089 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Temp. grounded...building new intake manifold.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 8:37 AM, John Lawton wrote:
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> FWIW, when I attended Rotax school at Lockwood they recommended
> spinning the filter on until contact with the gasket is made, then
> twist it on an additional 3/4's of a turn. Also, they recommended
> using a dab of the old oil to wet the gasket. Apparently, the
> carbon in the old oil helps the filter to stick. If this method
> helps the filter stick on an engine that shakes as bad as a Rotax
> 9xx does it should have no trouble at all staying on a Jab. Another
> thing I liked that they suggested was filling the new filter with
> oil before spinning it on to prevent a large void of air being
> pumping through the journals at first start up after an oil change.
> Makes sense.
>
> BTW, I like the Baldwin B-33 filter, too.
>
> Regards,'
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> Europa N245E - Flying
> Jabiru 3300
> Ximango N135XS - Flying
> Rotax 912s (certified)
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
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| Subject: | TBI intake manifold...was oil filter gasket talk... |
Hi Bob-
Interesting...is that a silicone compound? I used to have a tube of
Dow Corning Compound, but I don't recall any number, but that was
YEARS ago. Any chance that Champion is owned by Dow...or vice versa?
Sorry, that just the pessimist in me trying to get out. : )
Hey, Bob, you might be interested in my latest project...another
intake manifold for the TBI. The other one was ok, but I'm shooting
for perfection. I wanted to try a bit longer runner length, and bell-
mouthed ends inside the manifold. Ever since I built an updraft
manifold, I've always had cylinder #1 running about 100+ degrees
cooler than the other 3. So I thought I'd make another one, and see
what happens. (Yes, I did swap probes, etc., but to no avail...plugs
always look good, also.) I think I know what the problem is, and if
this manifold changes things, I'll report my findings.
But in the meantime, here are the exhaust pipes as they appear after
using the updraft intake and the Rotec TBI, running lean of peak EGT
for about 360 hours:
Left bank....cyls 2 & 4
Right cyls... #3 on top and that cooler-running #1 on the bottom.
There ain't much broke, but I'm gonna fix it anyway! : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1089 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Temp. grounded...building new intake manifold.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 6:49 PM, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote:
> Good Afternoon Lynn,
>
> The directions on the Champion filter say to use Dow Corning
> Compound number four on the gasket. If that is not available they
> say to use engine oil.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
>
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