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1. 12:45 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/24/11 (Martin Hone)
2. 09:35 AM - Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/25/11 (John Lawton)
3. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/25/11 (Rob Turk)
4. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/25/11 (Dale Hetrick)
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/24/11 |
Barry,
Whilst I agree completely with you on the internet spreading of oral
deification and that many people seeking knowledge are led up the garden
path by well meaning but factually incorrect postings, that does not make i
t
right to attack people. In this case, John. I think enough electrons have
been inconvenienced in unnecessary banter, so let's move on guys......
Martin
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:28 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello John:
>
>
> Your sarcasm totally wasted on me, it is a total waist of time. It would
> better be spent to THINK of how ridiculous the idea of carbon is in secur
ing
> an oil filter. And do some research into the mechanical engineering and
> chemical fields in which this topic extends.
>
> Some simple question that should be asked:
>
> Gee John, how much carbon is required, or how much is too much for this
> bonding process to take effect (give me Min & Max)?
>
> Or gee John, how much HEAT is required for the carbon to bond to BOTH the
> rubber and aluminum sealing face?
>
> Or gee John, what size should the carbon particles be - - Ya know too big
> and oil may leak right around them, or too small and the bonding process
may
> not take place at all!
>
> Or gee John, how many parts per million are required (again give me Min &
> Max).
>
> Or gee John, what should the RMS finish of the 'O' Ring be and the sealin
g
> surface be?
>
> Or gee John, how much carbon SHOULD my engine produce ' what if I do no
t
> have blow-by and my engine does not produce carbon?
>
>
> Do you get the engineering idea? To consider the ridiculousness of the
> idea that carbon has to be used in sealing =85 Is a total bunch of BULL-D
INKY!
>
> Now, unlike you, I'm NOT picking on you. You just happened to be the las
t
> straw in this ridiculous thread with NO scientific proof. It strained all
> basic engineering logic - Not even Rocket Science engineering logic.
>
> I and many do-it-yourself'ers use oil on the 'O' rings. Use OLD oil if y
ou
> wish, use NEW oil... I don't care, but whomever starter this BULL-DINKY
> GARBAGE of carbon aiding is sealing should have their have their ears
> checked for carbon. Because it is sealing off common sense, basic logic
and
> centuries of engineering from entering their brain.
>
> And again John, I'm not singling you out. What I REALLY HATE is the spee
d
> at which the Internet spreads oral deification. The unfortunate part is
> that innocent people come to forums to gain REAL knowledge because of the
> need and the desire for real knowledge. And they unknowingly get
> inundated with BULL-DINKY. They are not engineers, they are just honest
and
> interested people, with a interest and love of flying. They want and NEE
D
> REAL answers. Too bad, there is not an origination of Common Sense Polic
e.
> Yet we do have all these self-appointed PC Police. Bet their Mommy thou
ght
> they never did anything wrong.
>
>
> I am not going to get Dean Vogel involved. If he wishes to post that is
> OK.
>
>
> So, let me Politically Incorrect, someone has to tell the truth and know
> what they are talking about. Ban the Donkey-Dust!
>
>
> Name Tag firmly affixed.
>
>
> Barry
>
> Mechanical Engineer
>
> Electrical Engineer
>
> Presidential Radio Maintenance Air Force One
>
> Technical Coatings Engineer ' International Space Station
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:28 AM, John Lawton <wingdingy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >>>>>>>Oh BULL-DINKEY!<<<<<<<
>>
>>
>> Hello Barry,
>>
>> Thank you for the thoughtful and cordial reply to my post. It is replie
s
>> like yours that make forums like this one so enlightening, friendly and
>> filled with such goodwill towards other pilots, mechanics and builders.
I,
>> for one, recognize that the members of this forum are all very lucky, na
y,
>> truly blessed to have someone with your boundless aviation knowledge in
our
>> midst, especially someone who, by the mere use of their own words, has
>> clearly demonstrated themselves to be more knowledgeable than the larges
t
>> and most experienced Rotax dealer in the USA. I especially appreciate yo
u
>> taking time out of your busy schedule to post such an amicable, learned
>> reply to a know-nothing like me. I hope you wear a name tag when you go
>> places so if on some rare occasion I ever encounter you I will have the
>> opportunity to bow in your presence.
>>
>> Would you please call Dean Vogel at Lockwood Aviation at 863-655-5100?
>> Dean is Lockwood's principle instructor and could obviously really use a
>> dose of your worldly guidance.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> John Lawton
>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>> Europa N245E - Flying
>> Jabiru 3300
>> Ximango N135ZS
>> Rotax 912s (certified)
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/25/11 |
>>>>>Your sarcasm totally wasted on me, it is a total waist of time.<<<<<<<
Hello Barry,
Of that, I have no doubt! Responding to you at all is a complete waste of
time, Barry! You've clearly demonstrated that you think you know everything
there is to know, TWICE on this thread alone. I'm not sure why any of the
rest of us even bother to participate here on the Jabiru forum! Maybe we
should have Matt change the name to "Barry's Forum" and you can discuss
everything with yourself while we all read along? BTW, I'm not picking on
you at all, just responding to your unsolicited, condescending reply to my
post about oil filter gaskets. You're doing a fine job of exposing yourself
for who and what you are without any help from me. As we say in the South
"Hit dog hollers". It's pretty clear all you want to do is argue and tell us
all how smart you think you are. Sorry, not taking the bait, partner. Guys
who just want to argue and tell everyone how smart they are come and go on
these lists all the time. It's nothing new. Your attitude and willingness to
insult other people you do not even know is a clear indication that you
simply are not worthy of my time. I'm here to discuss Jabiru engine topics
of interest to me, not to argue with you and your boundless ego. Just so
you'll know, you ain't the only Engineer on this forum.
Since you don't want to ask Dean I would suggest before you make bigger fool
of yourself than you already have you just might want to check the Rotax
912/914 line maintenance manual where it discusses oil changes and see what
Rotax says to use on the oil filter gasket. Unless, of course, you think you
know more than a company that has been building engines since 1920!
Warm Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E - Flying
Jabiru 3300
Ximango N135XS - Flying
Rotax 912s (certified)
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/25/11 |
Ladies, are we done?!? Enough already!
You can see each others email address at the top of your screaming
match. Go spam each other in private, let us out of your petty catfight.
Thank you,
Rob
On 3/26/2011 5:30 PM, John Lawton wrote:
> >>>>>Your sarcasm [blah blah] <<<<<<<
>
> Hello Barry,
>
> [Blah blah]
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> John Lawton
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 03/25/11 |
John,
AMEN!
Dale Hetrick
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:30 AM, John Lawton <wingdingy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>Your sarcasm totally wasted on me, it is a total waist of time.<<<<<<<
>
> Hello Barry,
>
> Of that, I have no doubt! Responding to you at all is a complete waste of
> time, Barry! You've clearly demonstrated that you think you know everything
> there is to know, TWICE on this thread alone. I'm not sure why any of the
> rest of us even bother to participate here on the Jabiru forum! Maybe we
> should have Matt change the name to "Barry's Forum" and you can discuss
> everything with yourself while we all read along? BTW, I'm not picking on
> you at all, just responding to your unsolicited, condescending reply to my
> post about oil filter gaskets. You're doing a fine job of exposing yourself
> for who and what you are without any help from me. As we say in the South
> "Hit dog hollers". It's pretty clear all you want to do is argue and tell us
> all how smart you think you are. Sorry, not taking the bait, partner. Guys
> who just want to argue and tell everyone how smart they are come and go on
> these lists all the time. It's nothing new. Your attitude and willingness to
> insult other people you do not even know is a clear indication that you
> simply are not worthy of my time. I'm here to discuss Jabiru engine topics
> of interest to me, not to argue with you and your boundless ego. Just so
> you'll know, you ain't the only Engineer on this forum.
>
> Since you don't want to ask Dean I would suggest before you make bigger
> fool of yourself than you already have you just might want to check the
> Rotax 912/914 line maintenance manual where it discusses oil changes and see
> what Rotax says to use on the oil filter gasket. Unless, of course, you
> think you know more than a company that has been building engines since
> 1920!
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> Europa N245E - Flying
> Jabiru 3300
> Ximango N135XS - Flying
> Rotax 912s (certified)
>
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