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1. 12:35 AM - Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent shutdown (dwwilt)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent shutdown (Pete Krotje)
3. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent shutdown (Dennis W. Wilt)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent shutdown (Pete Krotje)
5. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent shutdown (Dennis W. Wilt)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Lightning-List: Re: Re: worn valve guides (Jabiru Chile)
7. 11:35 AM - Re: Lightning-List: Re: Re: worn valve guides (Tex Mantell)
8. 11:59 AM - putting things in perspective (Tex Mantell)
9. 02:06 PM - Re: putting things in perspective (Pete Krotje)
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| Subject: | Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent shutdown |
I never found the reason for the failure. After checking everything out and ohming
the system, the plane started fine and the mag check was fine. Unnerving
to me, because there has to be a reason for the problem. I ordered a new switch
and replaced it. I opened up the old switch and did not find anything unusual.
However, with the Jabiru starter solenoid, the connections are not similar
to those on other starter solenoids I am familiar with. I have not found
where the surge protection diode was installed originally and I believe it was
not installed. I did not do this part of the wiring on my plane. So, my question
is, how do you connect the surge protection diode?
--------
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent shutdown |
The diode is installed between the solenoid activation terminal (where the
wire comes from the switch) and ground.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwwilt
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:34 AM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent
shutdown
I never found the reason for the failure. After checking everything out and
ohming the system, the plane started fine and the mag check was fine.
Unnerving to me, because there has to be a reason for the problem. I
ordered a new switch and replaced it. I opened up the old switch and did
not find anything unusual. However, with the Jabiru starter solenoid, the
connections are not similar to those on other starter solenoids I am
familiar with. I have not found where the surge protection diode was
installed originally and I believe it was not installed. I did not do this
part of the wiring on my plane. So, my question is, how do you connect the
surge protection diode?
--------
Dennis
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent |
shutdown
Pete, I know where the diode is supposed to go. The issue is the differenc
e in connectors on the starter relay vs the diode. The Jabiru Starter Rela
y has a slide-on connector and the diode has a round bolt-on connector you
would see on a Piper or Cessna starter relay. I was wondering how other pe
ople made this connection. The diode could be installed on the ignition sw
itch (electrically this would be the same as on the relay) or the connector
on the diode could be removed and the diode could be crimped onto the slid
e-on connector that matches the starter relay.
Thanks,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Krotje <pete@usjabiru.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:51 am
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermitte
nt shutdown
The diode is installed between the solenoid activation terminal (where the
ire comes from the switch) and ground.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwwilt
ent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:34 AM
o: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
ubject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent
hutdown
I never found the reason for the failure. After checking everything out an
d
hming the system, the plane started fine and the mag check was fine.
nnerving to me, because there has to be a reason for the problem. I
rdered a new switch and replaced it. I opened up the old switch and did
ot find anything unusual. However, with the Jabiru starter solenoid, the
onnections are not similar to those on other starter solenoids I am
amiliar with. I have not found where the surge protection diode was
nstalled originally and I believe it was not installed. I did not do this
art of the wiring on my plane. So, my question is, how do you connect the
urge protection diode?
--------
ennis
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368570#368570
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| Subject: | Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent |
shutdown
We remove the round eyelet and install in the slide on connector with the
wire from the starter.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W.
Wilt
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos,
intermittent shutdown
Pete, I know where the diode is supposed to go. The issue is the difference
in connectors on the starter relay vs the diode. The Jabiru Starter Relay
has a slide-on connector and the diode has a round bolt-on connector you
would see on a Piper or Cessna starter relay. I was wondering how other
people made this connection. The diode could be installed on the ignition
switch (electrically this would be the same as on the relay) or the
connector on the diode could be removed and the diode could be crimped onto
the slide-on connector that matches the starter relay.
Thanks,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning <http://www.flylightning.net/> S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Krotje <pete@usjabiru.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:51 am
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos,
intermittent shutdown
The diode is installed between the solenoid activation terminal (where the
wire comes from the switch) and ground.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of dwwilt
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:34 AM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent
shutdown
I never found the reason for the failure. After checking everything out and
ohming the system, the plane started fine and the mag check was fine.
Unnerving to me, because there has to be a reason for the problem. I
ordered a new switch and replaced it. I opened up the old switch and did
not find anything unusual. However, with the Jabiru starter solenoid, the
connections are not similar to those on other starter solenoids I am
familiar with. I have not found where the surge protection diode was
installed originally and I believe it was not installed. I did not do this
part of the wiring on my plane. So, my question is, how do you connect the
surge protection diode?
--------
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent |
shutdown
Thanks, I thought that may be the case.
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Krotje <pete@usjabiru.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 10:01 am
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermitte
nt shutdown
We remove the round eyelet and install in the slide on connector with the w
ire from the starter.
Pete
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi
ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Wilt
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermitte
nt shutdown
Pete, I know where the diode is supposed to go. The issue is the differenc
e in connectors on the starter relay vs the diode. The Jabiru Starter Rela
y has a slide-on connector and the diode has a round bolt-on connector you
would see on a Piper or Cessna starter relay. I was wondering how other pe
ople made this connection. The diode could be installed on the ignition sw
itch (electrically this would be the same as on the relay) or the connector
on the diode could be removed and the diode could be crimped onto the slid
e-on connector that matches the starter relay.
Thanks,
Dennis
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Krotje <pete@usjabiru.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2012 8:51 am
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermitte
nt shutdown
The diode is installed between the solenoid activation terminal (where the
wire comes from the switch) and ground.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwwilt
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:34 AM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: While Checking the Magnetos, intermittent
shutdown
I never found the reason for the failure. After checking everything out an
d
ohming the system, the plane started fine and the mag check was fine.
Unnerving to me, because there has to be a reason for the problem. I
ordered a new switch and replaced it. I opened up the old switch and did
not find anything unusual. However, with the Jabiru starter solenoid, the
connections are not similar to those on other starter solenoids I am
familiar with. I have not found where the surge protection diode was
installed originally and I believe it was not installed. I did not do this
part of the wiring on my plane. So, my question is, how do you connect the
surge protection diode?
--------
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: worn valve guides |
Hi Group,
We found the same problem here in a 6 cylinder engine with about 80 hours of
use, last year. We send the engine back to Australia for inspection, and the
guides were changed to the correct size.
Christian Tannen
Jabiru Chile
-----Mensaje original-----
De: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] En nombre de Tex Mantell
Enviado el: martes, 13 de marzo de 2012 8:31
Para: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com; lightning-list@matronics.com
Asunto: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Tex Mantell"
<wb2ssj@rochester.rr.com>
Nick, thanks for the info. Have come to the same conclusion that the guides
were oversize for all the cylinders wore the same. Again thanks for the
info. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: "xair899" <nickgeh@eircom.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:59 AM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides
>
> Tex,
> Here in the UK guides were found "worn" at less than 50hrs. Careful
> measurement showed they were exactly 7.50mm bore, where the standard guide
> should be 7.05mm. Looks suspiciously like human error!
> Once the batch passed through the system, that particular problem went
> away. Not sure what serial number engines were affected.
> The majority of the oil fed to the heads is dumped on the inlet valve
> rather than the exhaust which really needs it. Try to persuade it to go
> where it would do more good - see Jabiru info on French site "Contrails"
> for some ideas.
>
> Nick
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368330#368330
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: worn valve guides |
thank you for the reply. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jabiru Chile" <info@jabiru.cl>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides
>
> Hi Group,
> We found the same problem here in a 6 cylinder engine with about 80 hours
> of
> use, last year. We send the engine back to Australia for inspection, and
> the
> guides were changed to the correct size.
>
>
> Christian Tannen
> Jabiru Chile
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] En nombre de Tex
> Mantell
> Enviado el: martes, 13 de marzo de 2012 8:31
> Para: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com; lightning-list@matronics.com
> Asunto: Lightning-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides
>
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Tex Mantell"
> <wb2ssj@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Nick, thanks for the info. Have come to the same conclusion that the
> guides
> were oversize for all the cylinders wore the same. Again thanks for the
> info. Tex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "xair899" <nickgeh@eircom.net>
> To: <jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:59 AM
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: worn valve guides
>
>
>>
>> Tex,
>> Here in the UK guides were found "worn" at less than 50hrs. Careful
>> measurement showed they were exactly 7.50mm bore, where the standard
>> guide
>
>> should be 7.05mm. Looks suspiciously like human error!
>> Once the batch passed through the system, that particular problem went
>> away. Not sure what serial number engines were affected.
>> The majority of the oil fed to the heads is dumped on the inlet valve
>> rather than the exhaust which really needs it. Try to persuade it to go
>> where it would do more good - see Jabiru info on French site "Contrails"
>> for some ideas.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368330#368330
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | putting things in perspective |
Don't you just love it "putting things In perspective" . Thank God for
the web site we have to share our experiences. If "putting things in
perspective" is to completely ignore a question related to ones
products, don't seem proper to me. I have two Jabiru engines and a
Lightning,and I am directly responsible for the sale of two airplanes
and about 6 engines. I love the products from Tennessee and am really
disappointed by the responses from Pete. Its quite evident from the
others around the world *there is a problem* and with the help and Ideas
gathered here on the web site I am sure to correct it.
Tex
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| Subject: | putting things in perspective |
Tex,
Since you posted here as well I'll copy the response I sent to your
lightning-list posting:
Tex,
I gave you the facts as I have seen them over the years. I've sold a lot of
engines and very few valve guides. What do you want - some story about huge
valve guide problems that are not happening? I don't think I misstated
anything in my reply to you. This occurrence is evident in a few cases
around the world but not many when put in context of the number of engines
sold. In the USA when we hear of a valve guide issue we fix it. If we
should find a valve guide that was over size from the factory we'll fix it
at Jabiru's expense but we have not found and engine yet with factory
oversize guides. I do expect that I will find one sooner or later IF there
truly are engines with oversize guides sent out by Jabiru.
Sorry to disappoint you in my response. I suppose I could have commiserated
with you and told you how awful your situation is but I would much rather
be honest and tell you what we are seeing and have seen over the last 12
years. If you have a valve guide problem how come we've not seen your heads
here for diagnosis and repair? Do you want the problem fixed or do you want
to just complain about it.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
931-680-2800
www.usjabiru.com
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex
Mantell
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: putting things in perspective
Don't you just love it "putting things In perspective" . Thank God for the
web site we have to share our experiences. If "putting things in
perspective" is to completely ignore a question related to ones products,
don't seem proper to me. I have two Jabiru engines and a Lightning,and I am
directly responsible for the sale of two airplanes and about 6 engines. I
love the products from Tennessee and am really disappointed by the responses
from Pete. Its quite evident from the others around the world *there is a
problem* and with the help and Ideas gathered here on the web site I am
sure to correct it.
Tex
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