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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" |
Each country has their own "Type Certification" process and thus their own list
of type certified engines, props, airframes, components etc.
The FAA type certificates for any of these things can be found at
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
If you click on the letter J you will see that there are no listings for Jabiru,
which means there are no Type Certified Jabiru engines, airframes or props etc
in the USA. This is not the case for say New Zealand and I would guess Australia
and some other countries.
Rotax (BRP Powertrain) does have FAA type certificated engine versions in the US.
As in...
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/63abcd80c77a8900862578b200597090/$FILE/E00051EN.pdf
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | type certified engines |
I've read that Rotax offers a "certified" version of their 912 engines.
It seems that the main difference is a documented audit trail of every
part used to build the engine. Otherwise, it is the exact same engine
.... no performance or reliability improvements. If I recall correctly,
the "certification" adds $7000 to the cost of the engine. The military
is probably the only customer.
So, until we start seeing Jabiru engines being used in military drones,
I wouldn't expect to see a "certified" version.
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> 1. 12:17 AM - Jabiru 3300 "certification" (Clive)
> 2. 12:38 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" (FLYaDIVE)
> 3. 02:25 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" (Pat Ladd)
> 4. 02:44 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" (James, Clive R)
> 5. 06:04 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" (Pat Ladd)
> 6. 02:44 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" (JohnDRead@aol.com)
> 7. 02:45 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" (JohnDRead@aol.com)
> 8. 03:30 PM - Re: Jabiru 3300 "certification" (FLYaDIVE)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:17:07 AM PST US
> From: Clive<zcrj90@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
>
> The only people that need certifying are mugs like us that bought the ruddy
> thing......=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: AZFlyer<m
> illrML@aol.com>=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 23 A
> pril 2012, 0:14=0ASubject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 "type-certification engi
> <millrML@AOL.com>=0A=0AList,=0A=0ARecently I was asked if the 3300 engine p
> rop combination was "type-certified"...- and had no idea what that meant.
> - To be eligible for 25 hour flight test (vs 40 hour).=0A=0AIf the 3300 i
> s type-certified where do I find documentation supporting that?=0A=0AThanks
> ,=0AMike=0A=0A--------=0AMike Miller @ millrml@aol.com=0A601 XL-B, 3300, Dy
> non=0A=0ARemember,-"the second mouse gets the cheese"!=0A=0A
> =0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view
> -=======================
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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> Time: 12:38:07 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
> From: FLYaDIVE<flyadive@gmail.com>
>
> Right you are Clive.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Clive<zcrj90@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The only people that need certifying are mugs like us that bought the
>> ruddy thing......
>>
>> *From:* AZFlyer<millrML@aol.com>
>> *To:* jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, 23 April 2012, 0:14
>> *Subject:* JabiruEngine-List: 3300 "type-certification engine and prop
>> combo"
>>
>>
>> List,
>>
>> Recently I was asked if the 3300 engine prop combination was
>> "type-certified"... and had no idea what that meant. To be eligible for
>> 25 hour flight test (vs 40 hour).
>>
>> If the 3300 is type-certified where do I find documentation supporting
>> that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> --------
>> Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com
>> 601 XL-B, 3300, Dynon
>>
>> Remember,"the second mouse gets the cheese"!
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371528#371528
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> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
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> Time: 02:25:31 AM PST US
> From: "Pat Ladd"<pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
>
> Recently I was asked if the 3300 engine prop combination was
> "type-certified"... and had no idea what that meant.>>
>
> Hi,
> in the UK it is quite usual to have a type certified combination of
> engine and prop. This would be the pairing which was certified as safe
> and complying with noise rules.
> Changing say from a 2 blade to a 3 blade prop which was not type
> approved might involve running the noise testing again. Once that had
> been done in one instance of course and approved it is then OK for
> anyone else who wishes to do the same thing.
>
> Pat
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 02:44:54 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
> From: "James, Clive R"<clive.james@uk.bp.com>
>
> The work needed by a manufacturer to get certification is immense, also
> given what we know about Jabiru engines they could never achieve it as
> their record is dire.
>
> We benefit from an uncertified world so we can use cheap uncertified
> equipment, and we get what we pay for....
>
>
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat
> Ladd
> Sent: 23 April 2012 10:24
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
>
>
> Recently I was asked if the 3300 engine prop combination was
> "type-certified"... and had no idea what that meant.>>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> in the UK it is quite usual to have a type certified combination of
> engine and prop. This would be the pairing which was certified as safe
> and complying with noise rules.
>
> Changing say from a 2 blade to a 3 blade prop which was not type
> approved might involve running the noise testing again. Once that had
> been done in one instance of course and approved it is then OK for
> anyone else who wishes to do the same thing.
>
>
> Pat
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:04:08 AM PST US
> From: "Pat Ladd"<pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
>
> We benefit from an uncertified world so we can use cheap uncertified
> equipment, and we get what we pay for..>>
>
> You certainly can if you are under the American Experimental banner and
> I envy that.. On the other hand I dont think that anyone in the UK would
> think of setting fire to their machine rather than sell it and accept
> the liability. Not yet anyway
>
>
> Pat
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:44:02 PM PST US
> From: JohnDRead@aol.com
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
>
> It may be worth emailing JabiruUSA to see if the prop/engine combination
> you wish to use has been type certified on any of the Jabiru planes, if so I
> think that would be OK for general use. It would be great to not have to
> spend 40 hours test flying!
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
>
> Cell: 719-494-4567
> Home: 303-648-3261
>
>
> In a message dated 4/23/2012 3:25:53 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
>
> Recently I was asked if the 3300 engine prop combination was
> "type-certified"... and had no idea what that meant.>>
>
> Hi,
> in the UK it is quite usual to have a type certified combination of engine
> and prop. This would be the pairing which was certified as safe and
> complying with noise rules.
> Changing say from a 2 blade to a 3 blade prop which was not type approved
> might involve running the noise testing again. Once that had been done in
> one instance of course and approved it is then OK for anyone else who wishes
> to do the same thing.
>
> Pat
>
>
> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List)
> (http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:45:52 PM PST US
> From: JohnDRead@aol.com
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
>
> And your point is?? There are plenty of so called Type certified engines
>
> that have very poor TBO times.
>
> Regards, John
>
> CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
>
> Cell: 719-494-4567
> Home: 303-648-3261
>
>
> In a message dated 4/23/2012 3:45:02 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> clive.james@uk.bp.com writes:
>
>
> The work needed by a manufacturer to get certification is immense, also
> given what we know about Jabiru engines they could never achieve it as the
> ir
> record is dire.
> We benefit from an uncertified world so we can use cheap uncertified
> equipment, and we get what we pay for.
>
>
> From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Lad
> d
> Sent: 23 April 2012 10:24
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
>
>
> Recently I was asked if the 3300 engine prop combination was
> "type-certified"... and had no idea what that meant.>>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> in the UK it is quite usual to have a type certified combination of engine
>
> and prop. This would be the pairing which was certified as safe and
> complying with noise rules.
>
> Changing say from a 2 blade to a 3 blade prop which was not type approved
>
> might involve running the noise testing again. Once that had been done in
>
> one instance of course and approved it is then OK for anyone else who wish
> es
> to do the same thing.
>
>
> Pat
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List)
>
> (http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:30:57 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Jabiru 3300 "certification"
> From: FLYaDIVE<flyadive@gmail.com>
>
> Ya know guys, I just don't understand it. ;-)
> Ya built the plane to fly. So what is the difference if you fly 25 hrs or
> 40 hrs to get it signed off? Tong fully extended at DAR.
> Only problem I would have with it is distance allowed... Maybe you could
> request a larger area to fly in, or start with 25 Hrs and a small area (if
> that is the issue ) and have the DAR sign off on a larger area after you
> reach 25 Hrs. But get the sign off right at the start.
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:43 PM,<JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> It may be worth emailing JabiruUSA to see if the prop/engine combination
>> you wish to use has been type certified on any of the Jabiru planes, if so
>> I think that would be OK for general use. It would be great to not have to
>> spend 40 hours test flying!
>>
>>
>> Regards, John
>>
>> CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
>>
>> Cell: 719-494-4567
>> Home: 303-648-3261
>>
>> In a message dated 4/23/2012 3:25:53 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>> pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
>>
>> Recently I was asked if the 3300 engine prop combination was
>> "type-certified"... and had no idea what that meant.>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> in the UK it is quite usual to have a type certified combination of engine
>> and prop. This would be the pairing which was certified as safe and
>> complying with noise rules.
>> Changing say from a 2 blade to a 3 blade prop which was not type approved
>> might involve running the noise testing again. Once that had been done in
>> one instance of course and approved it is then OK for anyone else who
>> wishes to do the same thing.
>>
>> Pat
>>
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