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1. 01:27 AM - Re: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue (Clive)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue (Gary Aman)
3. 05:46 AM - Jabiru 3300 Alternator Lock Nuts (dwwilt)
4. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue (Clive)
5. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue (GARY BARNETT)
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| Subject: | Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue |
Slightly horrified about this one. I recall the Fox having a bushing proble
m but that was years ago.=0A-=0APete is quoted here and elsewhere about '
normal' regarding having debris in the engine. Doesn't sound right maybe he
can explain either; he's been misquoted, or why it's OK and where this 'sp
are' material is coming from and why it's OK. =0A-=0AIs there no end to j
abiru's incompetence when it comes to-this lovely engine? =0ACan they not
learn a little from previous debacles?=0AThe downward spiral continues, le
ts hope we don't have any aircraft that are part of the trend.=0A-=0ABest
for 13 guys! Clive=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: FLYaDI
VE <flyadive@gmail.com>=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thur
sday, 27 December 2012, 0:10=0ASubject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: New rock
er bushing material - possible issue=0A=0A=0ANOT A PROBLEM! =0A=0AAre the p
articles floating around inside your engine? -<--- Problem.=0ACan the par
ticles access points such as oil galleys? -<--- Problem=0ACan the particl
es wedge-themselves between cylinder and rings? -<--- Problem=0A=0AHELL
YEA! - It is a problem.=0A=0AGet that answer in-writing-and also hav
e the-warranty-state it will cover any problems.-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn We
d, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:38 PM, dacourtn <dacourtn@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A--> J
abiruEngine-List message posted by: "dacourtn" <dacourtn@yahoo.com>=0A>=0A>
Jabiru's disclaimer that this has only occurred on external oiler engines i
s not true. -I have a Jabiru 3300, Serial Number 33A1687. -As part of a
warranty repair to the heads which included replacing the slow-bleed lifte
rs with quick-bleed lifters, Pete recommended that I also convert to the in
ternal oiler upgrade, which I did. -All head work was performed by Jabiru
USA. -After about six hours of run time I pulled the rocker covers to re
-torque the heads and found a lot of bright yellow debris in the heads and
oil filter. -I called Pete and he told me it was just the ends of the roc
ker bushings, that that was "NORMAL" and "Wasn't a problem".=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A
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| Subject: | Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue |
These particles can only get to the oil pump screen,no further.Not to be ho
rrified.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clive <zcrj90@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:27 am
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible
issue
Slightly horrified about this one. I recall the Fox having a bushing proble
m but that was years ago.
Pete is quoted here and elsewhere about 'normal' regarding having debris in
the engine. Doesn't sound right maybe he can explain either; he's been mis
quoted, or why it's OK and where this 'spare' material is coming from and w
hy it's OK.
Is there no end to jabiru's incompetence when it comes to this lovely engin
e?
Can they not learn a little from previous debacles?
The downward spiral continues, lets hope we don't have any aircraft that ar
e part of the trend.
Best for 13 guys! Clive
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012, 0:10
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible
issue
NOT A PROBLEM!
Are the particles floating around inside your engine? <--- Problem.
Can the particles access points such as oil galleys? <--- Problem
Can the particles wedge themselves between cylinder and rings? <--- Proble
m
HELL YEA! It is a problem.
Get that answer in writing and also have the warranty state it will cover a
ny problems.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:38 PM, dacourtn <dacourtn@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jabiru's disclaimer that this has only occurred on external oiler engines i
s not true. I have a Jabiru 3300, Serial Number 33A1687. As part of a war
ranty repair to the heads which included replacing the slow-bleed lifters w
ith quick-bleed lifters, Pete recommended that I also convert to the intern
al oiler upgrade, which I did. All head work was performed by Jabiru USA.
After about six hours of run time I pulled the rocker covers to re-torque
the heads and found a lot of bright yellow debris in the heads and oil filt
er. I called Pete and he told me it was just the ends of the rocker bushin
gs, that that was "NORMAL" and "Wasn't a problem".
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| Subject: | Jabiru 3300 Alternator Lock Nuts |
I had a guy in our EAA chapter tell me that the alternator lock nuts on his Jabiru
3300 kept breaking. I have not seen this problem, but I have not specifically
looked for it either. I have re-torqued them at the annual in October, so
if they had been broken, I would suspect they would not have torqued properly.
He said that he finally installed the standard size larger lock nuts, the
ones on the engine I believe are the skinny ones (I forget the part number difference).
He said he had to remove the washer to get the threads to show.
Has anyone else seen this issue? I searched the forum but did not find anything.
--------
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue |
Not so much the particles but the holes that they left behind....=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 27 December 2012,
13:32=0ASubject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: New rocker bushing material -
possible issue=0A=0A=0AThese particles can only get to the oil pump screen,
no further.Not to be horrified.=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFro
m: Clive <zcrj90@yahoo.co.uk>=0ATo: jabiruengine-list <jabiruengine-list@ma
tronics.com>=0ASent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 4:27 am=0ASubject: Re: JabiruEngine-
List: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue=0A=0A=0ASlightly hor
rified about this one. I recall the Fox having a bushing problem but that w
as years ago.=0A-=0APete is quoted here and elsewhere about 'normal' rega
rding having debris in the engine. Doesn't sound right maybe he can explain
either; he's been misquoted, or why it's OK and where this 'spare' materia
l is coming from and why it's OK. =0A-=0AIs there no end to jabiru's inco
mpetence when it comes to-this lovely engine? =0ACan they not learn a lit
tle from previous debacles?=0AThe downward spiral continues, lets hope we d
on't have any aircraft that are part of the trend.=0A-=0ABest for 13 guys
! Clive=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: FLYaDIVE <flyadive
@gmail.com>=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 27 Dec
ember 2012, 0:10=0ASubject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: New rocker bushing m
aterial - possible issue=0A=0A=0ANOT A PROBLEM! =0A=0AAre the particles flo
ating around inside your engine? -<--- Problem.=0ACan the particles acces
s points such as oil galleys? -<--- Problem=0ACan the particles wedge-t
hemselves between cylinder and rings? -<--- Problem=0A=0AHELL YEA! - It
is a problem.=0A=0AGet that answer in-writing-and also have the-warr
anty-state it will cover any problems.-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Dec 26, 2
012 at 3:38 PM, dacourtn <dacourtn@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0A--> JabiruEngine-
List message posted by: "dacourtn" <dacourtn@yahoo.com>=0A>=0A>Jabiru's dis
claimer that this has only occurred on external oiler engines is not true.
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pair to the heads which included replacing the slow-bleed lifters with quic
k-bleed lifters, Pete recommended that I also convert to the internal oiler
upgrade, which I did. -All head work was performed by Jabiru USA. -Aft
er about six hours of run time I pulled the rocker covers to re-torque the
heads and found a lot of bright yellow debris in the heads and oil filter.
-I called Pete and he told me it was just the ends of the rocker bushings
, that that was "NORMAL" and "Wasn't a problem".=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read th
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| Subject: | Re: New rocker bushing material - possible issue |
After bringing my plane=2C N335AL=2C back to Oregon from the factory in Ten
nessee I checked the filter for metal particles (Approx. 25 hrs). There we
re some small brass particles in the filter. On the next oil change (anoth
er 25 Hours) they were gone. G Barnett
Date: Thu=2C 27 Dec 2012 09:26:16 +0000
From: zcrj90@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible
issue
Slightly horrified about this one. I recall the Fox having a bushing proble
m but that was years ago.
Pete is quoted here and elsewhere about 'normal' regarding having debris in
the engine. Doesn't sound right maybe he can explain either=3B he's been m
isquoted=2C or why it's OK and where this 'spare' material is coming from a
nd why it's OK.
Is there no end to jabiru's incompetence when it comes to this lovely engin
e?
Can they not learn a little from previous debacles?
The downward spiral continues=2C lets hope we don't have any aircraft that
are part of the trend.
Best for 13 guys! Clive
From: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday=2C 27 December 2012=2C 0:10
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: New rocker bushing material - possible
issue
NOT A PROBLEM!
Are the particles floating around inside your engine? <--- Problem.
Can the particles access points such as oil galleys? <--- Problem
Can the particles wedge themselves between cylinder and rings? <--- Proble
m
HELL YEA! It is a problem.
Get that answer in writing and also have the warranty state it will cover a
ny problems.
On Wed=2C Dec 26=2C 2012 at 3:38 PM=2C dacourtn <dacourtn@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jabiru's disclaimer that this has only occurred on external oiler engines i
s not true. I have a Jabiru 3300=2C Serial Number 33A1687. As part of a w
arranty repair to the heads which included replacing the slow-bleed lifters
with quick-bleed lifters=2C Pete recommended that I also convert to the in
ternal oiler upgrade=2C which I did. All head work was performed by Jabiru
USA. After about six hours of run time I pulled the rocker covers to re-t
orque the heads and found a lot of bright yellow debris in the heads and oi
l filter. I called Pete and he told me it was just the ends of the rocker
bushings=2C that that was "NORMAL" and "Wasn't a problem".
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