---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/12/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:15 AM - Re: Crankcase vent (Gary Aman) 2. 02:10 PM - 3300 carb heat (Tim Yoder) 3. 04:54 PM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Gary Aman) 4. 05:16 PM - Re: 3300 carb heat (James Crowder) 5. 05:16 PM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Tim Yoder) 6. 05:32 PM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Marvin) 7. 06:03 PM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Todd Bristol) 8. 06:12 PM - Re: 3300 carb heat (JohnDRead@aol.com) 9. 06:14 PM - Carb temp sensor (JohnDRead@aol.com) 10. 10:54 PM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Rob Turk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Crankcase vent From: Gary Aman Bob, Now I see what you have there.The line in your post that said (piped back u p to the filler pipe) gave me the wrong impression.Your under the cowl inst allation is much neater.Mine requires no plumbing and is just as effective but it is not handsome hanging out in the breeze with the rest of the engin e. Thanks,G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Bob Haas Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 5:17 pm Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Crankcase vent I believe so I fly a 3300 and a 2200. There is no oil film on the belly on either aircraft. I have the separator can plumed in to the oil dr ain fitting on the sump. The crank case vent is in the normal filler tube o n the top of the motor. From: Gary Aman Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Crankcase vent Bob, Are you familiar with the Jabiru vent setup?It's a little different from mo st. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Bob Haas Sent: Sat, May 11, 2013 11:48 am Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Crankcase vent k.net> The answer is a air-oil separator, with the vent piped back up to the filler pipe. Spruce has small units for sale. "Old technology." Bob Haas N330BH Lightning, N380BH, Alpi Pioneer. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ladd Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:29 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Crankcase vent > Sure get tired of cleaning oil off the tail feathers each time I fly Hi, I ran mine into a cut off plastic bottle mounted just behind the cabin enclosure.. Pat ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:16 PM PST US From: "Tim Yoder" Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. Thanks, Tim ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat From: Gary Aman Tim, My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft cast ing nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to ente r the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Tim Yoder Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. Thanks, Tim ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:19 PM PST US From: "James Crowder" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, What is "nord" ? I am looking for a place to attach a temperature sensor. This would seem to be the place. Jim Crowder From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Tim Yoder Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. Thanks, Tim tor?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:30 PM PST US From: "Tim Yoder" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Thanks for the information Gary, Is the heat element available from Jabiru, do you turn it on or is it on all the time? _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Tim Yoder Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. Thanks, Tim tor?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat From: Marvin Marvin Sent from my "Geeky" iPhone On May 12, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "Tim Yoder" wrote: > Thanks for the information Gary, Is the heat element available from Jabiru , do you turn it on or is it on all the time? > > From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabirueng ine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM > To: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat > > Tim, > My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric c onductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft castin g nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter t he intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices. > G.Aman > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Yoder > To: jabiruengine-list > Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm > Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat > > I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. > > Thanks, Tim > > > tor?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-Lis t > tp://forums.matronics.com > bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:49 PM PST US From: Todd Bristol Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Here's where to get the Carb heater=0A=0A=0A=C2-http://motionaero.com/Pro ducts-DualHeat.html=0A=0ATodd Bristol=0AGreat Entertainment isn't expensive ... 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Is this not necessary on Ja biru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor=C2-engi nes.=0A=C2-=0AThanks, Tim=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Ator?JabiruEngine-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List=0Atp://forums.matron ics.com=0Abution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=C2-=0A=C2- =0A=C2-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List=0Ahttp://f =============== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:44 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can recall the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine. Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 In a message dated 5/12/2013 7:04:13 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, djtoddb@yahoo.com writes: Here's where to get the Carb heater http://motionaero.com/Products-DualHeat.html Todd Bristol Great Entertainment isn't expensive... It's Priceless! Interactive Entertainment Events, DJs and Game Shows Mesa, Arizona 480-755-4200 _www.djs4u.com_ (http://www.djs4u.com/) www.gameshowsamerica.com www.condopenasco.com ____________________________________ From: James Crowder Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 5:15 PM Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, What is =9Cnord=9D ? I am looking for a place to attach a tem perature sensor. This would seem to be the place. Jim Crowder From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Am an Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Tim Yoder <_ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com_ (mailto:ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com) > (mailto:jabiruengine-list@matronics.com) > Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. Thanks, Tim tor?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution --> _http://www.matronics.com/con============= == _ (http://forums.matronhref=/) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:33 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Carb temp sensor Any one fitted a temp sensor to the Bing. Where was it installed? Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 \ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:41 PM PST US From: Rob Turk Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There are several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even more accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them. They all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater elements (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of the throttle lever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of heat and seem to work well to keep ice from forming in the venturi. Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb heat, see their installation manual. Rob On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: > The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can > recall the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine. > Regards, John > > CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 > > Cell: 719-494-4567 > Home: 303-648-3261 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message jabiruengine-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/JabiruEngine-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/jabiruengine-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/jabiruengine-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.