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1. 05:22 AM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Gary Aman)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Gary Aman)
3. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: 3300 carb heat (Clive)
4. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: 3300 carb heat (Tim Yoder)
5. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: 3300 carb heat (Gary Aman)
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| Subject: | Re: 3300 carb heat |
Jim,
I'll let you research the (nord).I have always considered it an un-machined
out-cropping on a casting.As for the placement of that temperature sensor,
that would depend on whether it is an oral or rectal model.Pun intended,hav
e a good day James!
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: James Crowder <jlcrowder@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 8:16 pm
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat
Tim,
What is =9Cnord=9D ? I am looking for a place to attach a temp
erature sensor. This would seem to be the place.
Jim Crowder
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi
ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat
Tim,
My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it
ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric
conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft cast
ing nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to ente
r the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices.
G.Aman
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From: Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat
I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat.
Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont.
& Lyc. carburetor engines.
Thanks, Tim
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| Subject: | Re: 3300 carb heat |
Tim,
It's switched on 2 levels.The one from Jabiru is what I have but the link
the guys provided to the after market one is where I would go.The price is
similar but mine has failed already and the other type has got to be more r
ugged.
G.A.
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From: Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 8:16 pm
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat
Thanks for the information Gary, Is the heat element available from Jabiru,
do you turn it on or is it on all the time?
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ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat
Tim,
My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it
ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric
conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft cast
ing nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to ente
r the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat
I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat.
Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont.
& Lyc. carburetor engines.
Thanks, Tim
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| Subject: | Re: 3300 carb heat |
In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't think I'
ve ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular 6
min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the b
eginning of -a trip.-=0A=0AI've never had carby ice on the ground but I
know -of a two 3300's that have had it while taxiing out. Even one with
the little electric thing bolted to the carby.-=0A=0AMy engine does get a
bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats a small blob of wate
r an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what was that' (my wife bl
ess her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ball of water in the f
uel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and it melts after shut d
own.=0A=0AWhat would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice
and your light bulb sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or i
t pops and you haven't checked it lately and you don't have that knob in th
e panel. At worse, land if you can, at best get a fright.=0A=0AWould I fly
a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope, -=0A=0ARegards, Clive
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rob Turk <matronics@rtis
t.nl>=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 6
:53=0ASubject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat=0A =0A=0A=0AJust to be
pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There are several
3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even more accurat
e, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them. =0A=0AThey all work
on the same principle, a module with one or two heater=0A elements (big
resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of=0A the throttle l
ever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of=0A heat and seem to w
ork well to keep ice from forming in the venturi.=0A=0AJabiru recommends an
air filter box that can accept hot air as carb=0A heat, see their insta
llation manual.=0A=0ARob=0A=0A=0AOn 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead@aol.com wr
ote:=0A=0AThe carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches.
Can recall the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine.=0A>
-=0A>Regards, John=0A>=0A>CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300=0A>=0A>Cell: 719
=====
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| Subject: | Re: 3300 carb heat |
Thanks to everyone for the helpful input.....Tim
_____
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[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat
In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't think
I've ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular 6
min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the
beginning of a trip.
I've never had carby ice on the ground but I know of a two 3300's that have
had it while taxiing out. Even one with the little electric thing bolted to
the carby.
My engine does get a bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats a
small blob of water an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what was
that' (my wife bless her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ball
of water in the fuel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and it
melts after shut down.
What would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice and your
light bulb sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or it pops and
you haven't checked it lately and you don't have that knob in the panel. At
worse, land if you can, at best get a fright.
Would I fly a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope, *;) winking
<http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo3.gif>
Regards, Clive
_____
From: Rob Turk <matronics@rtist.nl>
Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:53
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat
Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There are
several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even more
accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them.
They all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater
elements (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of the
throttle lever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of heat and seem
to work well to keep ice from forming in the venturi.
Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb heat,
see their installation manual.
Rob
On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote:
The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can recall
the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: 3300 carb heat |
Clive,
My engine never shut down at cruise power settings,although it did get real
ly rough as it ingested the ice chunks.If there is fog the elements are rip
e for ice,but you can have ice at temps in the 60'sF if the humidity is hig
h.The only time it might cause the engine to quit would probably be at redu
ced power settings and almost for sure at idle on decent.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 6:02 pm
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat
Thanks to everyone for the helpful input.....Tim
From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi
ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat
In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't think I'
ve ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular 6
min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the b
eginning of a trip.
I've never had carby ice on the ground but I know of a two 3300's that hav
e had it while taxiing out. Even one with the little electric thing bolted
to the carby.
My engine does get a bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats
a small blob of water an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what w
as that' (my wife bless her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ba
ll of water in the fuel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and i
t melts after shut down.
What would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice and your
light bulb sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or it pops and
you haven't checked it lately and you don't have that knob in the panel. A
t worse, land if you can, at best get a fright.
Would I fly a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope,
Regards, Clive
From: Rob Turk <matronics@rtist.nl>
Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:53
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat
Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There ar
e several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even mo
re accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them.
They all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater elemen
ts (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of the throttle
lever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of heat and seem to work w
ell to keep ice from forming in the venturi.
Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb heat, s
ee their installation manual.
Rob
On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote:
The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can reca
ll the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
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