---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/13/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Gary Aman) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: 3300 carb heat (Gary Aman) 3. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: 3300 carb heat (Clive) 4. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: 3300 carb heat (Tim Yoder) 5. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: 3300 carb heat (Gary Aman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat From: Gary Aman Jim, I'll let you research the (nord).I have always considered it an un-machined out-cropping on a casting.As for the placement of that temperature sensor, that would depend on whether it is an oral or rectal model.Pun intended,hav e a good day James! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: James Crowder Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 8:16 pm Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, What is =9Cnord=9D ? I am looking for a place to attach a temp erature sensor. This would seem to be the place. Jim Crowder From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft cast ing nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to ente r the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Tim Yoder Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. Thanks, Tim tor?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat From: Gary Aman Tim, It's switched on 2 levels.The one from Jabiru is what I have but the link the guys provided to the after market one is where I would go.The price is similar but mine has failed already and the other type has got to be more r ugged. G.A. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Yoder Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 8:16 pm Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Thanks for the information Gary, Is the heat element available from Jabiru, do you turn it on or is it on all the time? From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat Tim, My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft cast ing nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to ente r the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Tim Yoder Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm Subject: JabiruEngine-List: 3300 carb heat I recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc. carburetor engines. Thanks, Tim tor?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List tp://forums.matronics.com bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:48 AM PST US From: Clive Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't think I' ve ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular 6 min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the b eginning of -a trip.-=0A=0AI've never had carby ice on the ground but I know -of a two 3300's that have had it while taxiing out. Even one with the little electric thing bolted to the carby.-=0A=0AMy engine does get a bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats a small blob of wate r an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what was that' (my wife bl ess her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ball of water in the f uel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and it melts after shut d own.=0A=0AWhat would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice and your light bulb sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or i t pops and you haven't checked it lately and you don't have that knob in th e panel. At worse, land if you can, at best get a fright.=0A=0AWould I fly a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope, -=0A=0ARegards, Clive =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rob Turk =0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 6 :53=0ASubject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat=0A =0A=0A=0AJust to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There are several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even more accurat e, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them. =0A=0AThey all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater=0A elements (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of=0A the throttle l ever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of=0A heat and seem to w ork well to keep ice from forming in the venturi.=0A=0AJabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb=0A heat, see their insta llation manual.=0A=0ARob=0A=0A=0AOn 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead@aol.com wr ote:=0A=0AThe carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can recall the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine.=0A> -=0A>Regards, John=0A>=0A>CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300=0A>=0A>Cell: 719 ===== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:40 PM PST US From: "Tim Yoder" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat Thanks to everyone for the helpful input.....Tim _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:54 AM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't think I've ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular 6 min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the beginning of a trip. I've never had carby ice on the ground but I know of a two 3300's that have had it while taxiing out. Even one with the little electric thing bolted to the carby. My engine does get a bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats a small blob of water an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what was that' (my wife bless her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ball of water in the fuel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and it melts after shut down. What would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice and your light bulb sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or it pops and you haven't checked it lately and you don't have that knob in the panel. At worse, land if you can, at best get a fright. Would I fly a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope, *;) winking Regards, Clive _____ From: Rob Turk Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:53 Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There are several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even more accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them. They all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater elements (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of the throttle lever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of heat and seem to work well to keep ice from forming in the venturi. Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb heat, see their installation manual. Rob On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can recall the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine. Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Ja="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.c-> 

 


________________________________  Message 5  _____________________________________


Time: 05:08:39 PM PST US
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat
From: Gary Aman 

Clive,
My engine never shut down at cruise power settings,although it did get real
ly rough as it ingested the ice chunks.If there is fog the elements are rip
e for ice,but you can have ice at temps in the 60'sF if the humidity is hig
h.The only time it might cause the engine to quit would probably be at redu
ced power settings and almost for sure at idle on decent.
G.Aman


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Yoder 
Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 6:02 pm
Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat


Thanks to everyone for the helpful input.....Tim


From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengi
ne-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat


In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't think I'
ve ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular 6 
min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the b
eginning of  a trip. 


I've never had carby ice on the ground but I know  of a two 3300's that hav
e had it while taxiing out. Even one with the little electric thing bolted 
to the carby. 


My engine does get a bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats 
a small blob of water an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what w
as that' (my wife bless her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ba
ll of water in the fuel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and i
t melts after shut down.


What would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice and your 
light bulb sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or it pops and
 you haven't checked it lately and you don't have that knob in the panel. A
t worse, land if you can, at best get a fright.


Would I fly a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope,  


Regards, Clive


From: Rob Turk 
Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:53
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: 3300 carb heat


Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There ar
e several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even mo
re accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them. 

They all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater elemen
ts (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of the throttle 
lever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of heat and seem to work w
ell to keep ice from forming in the venturi.

Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb heat, s
ee their installation manual.

Rob


On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote:


The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can   reca
ll the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine.


Regards, John

CH701 -   Colorado - Jabiru 3300

Cell: 719-494-4567
Home:   303-648-3261


http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Ja="_blank"; href="http://forums.mat
ronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.c->; 


href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                       Other Matronics Email List Services
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post A New Message               jabiruengine-list@matronics.com
UN/SUBSCRIBE                     http://www.matronics.com/subscription
List FAQ                         http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/JabiruEngine-List.htm
Web Forum Interface To Lists     http://forums.matronics.com
Matronics List Wiki              http://wiki.matronics.com
Full Archive Search Engine       http://www.matronics.com/search
7-Day List Browse                http://www.matronics.com/browse/jabiruengine-list
Browse Digests                   http://www.matronics.com/digest/jabiruengine-list
Browse Other Lists               http://www.matronics.com/browse
Live Online Chat!                http://www.matronics.com/chat
Archive Downloading              http://www.matronics.com/archives
Photo Share                      http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Other Email Lists                http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
Contributions                    http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the 
generous Contributions of its members.