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1. 06:05 AM - Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
2. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (Tim Yoder)
3. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (Tim Yoder)
4. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (Clive James)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Max CHT (Rob Turk)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (FLYaDIVE)
7. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (Tim Yoder)
8. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (j. davis)
9. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 (GERALD A. APPLEFELD)
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
Tim,
Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I thought it
was 356 F max continuous.
I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at 2700 ~ 2800
RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
300 degrees.
Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
Bobby ( age 76 )
Zodiac 601 XL "B"
Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
Status - Flying 222 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
Bobby,
I'll see if I can find the source and report. However, If your head bolts
are passing the 20# torque test I wouldn't be concerned about the temps. If
some of the bolts move I would try to improve the cooling to those heads.
Tim
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Tim,
Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I thought
it was 356 F max continuous.
I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at 2700 ~
2800 RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
300 degrees.
Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
Bobby ( age 76 )
Zodiac 601 XL "B"
Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
Status - Flying 222 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
Bobby,
Go to www.usjabiru.com select Tec. Support then Engine Tec Tips then Jabiru
USA Tips on Airduct Instillation Scroll down to Jabiru Engine Cooling 101:
Adjusting Your Installation. Cruise 2850 RPM 270F to 300F.
I hope this helps,
Tim
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Bobby,
I'll see if I can find the source and report. However, If your head bolts
are passing the 20# torque test I wouldn't be concerned about the temps. If
some of the bolts move I would try to improve the cooling to those heads.
Tim
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Tim,
Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I thought
it was 356 F max continuous.
I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at 2700 ~
2800 RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
300 degrees.
Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
Bobby ( age 76 )
Zodiac 601 XL "B"
Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
Status - Flying 222 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
JEM-0002-3 (12th May 2014) says 392F and 356F for Climb and cruise
though the cooler the better of course!
Get the latest manuals from Jabiru Australia:
http://www.jabiru.net.au/manuals#engine-maintenance
Regards, Clive
On 25 Aug 2014, at 16:59, Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
> Bobby,
>
> Go to www.usjabiru.com select Tec. Support then Engine Tec Tips then
Jabiru USA Tips on Airduct Instillation Scroll down to Jabiru Engine
Cooling 101: Adjusting Your Installation. Cruise 2850 RPM 270F to 300F.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Tim
>
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> Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
08/23/14
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> Bobby,
>
> I'll see if I can find the source and report. However, If your head
bolts are passing the 20# torque test I wouldn't be concerned about the
temps. If some of the bolts move I would try to improve the cooling to
those heads.
>
> Tim
>
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> Tim,
> Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I
thought it was 356 F max continuous.
> I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at
2700 ~ 2800 RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
> 300 degrees.
> Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
>
> Bobby ( age 76 )
> Zodiac 601 XL "B"
> Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
> Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
> Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
> Status - Flying 222 hrs.
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Note that there are different published ranges depending on the serial
number and type of the engine. The early manuals (JEM3301-2) for solid
lifter engines with thick-finned heads list 150C (302F) cruise and 175C
(347F) climb temperatures. Later manuals (JEM3304-6) for engines with
thin-finned heads and hydraulic lifters list 180C (356F) cruise and 200C
(392F) climb.
In all circumstances, cooler is better. I would be very worried running
my engine at those temperatures. When in doubt, follow the tech tip at
US Jabiru or Jabiru service bulleting JSB016, available from the Jabiru
website.
Rob
On 8/25/2014 5:59 PM, Tim Yoder wrote:
> Bobby,
> Go to www.usjabiru.com <http://www.usjabiru.com> select Tec. Support
> then Engine Tec Tips then Jabiru USA Tips on Airduct Instillation
> Scroll down to Jabiru Engine Cooling 101: Adjusting Your Installation.
> Cruise 2850 RPM 270F to 300F.
> I hope this helps,
> Tim
>
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> *Subject:* RE: JabiruEngine-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs
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> Bobby,
> I'll see if I can find the source and report. However, If your head
> bolts are passing the 20# torque test I wouldn't be concerned about
> the temps. If some of the bolts move I would try to improve the
> cooling to those heads.
> Tim
>
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> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 6:05 AM
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> *Subject:* JabiruEngine-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
> 08/23/14
>
>
> Tim,
> Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I
> thought it was 356 F max continuous.
> I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at
> 2700 ~ 2800 RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
> 300 degrees.
> Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
>
> Bobby ( age 76 )
> Zodiac 601 XL "B"
> Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
> Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
> Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
> Status - Flying 222 hrs.
>
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
Bobby:
I doubt it!
First - You have to see if your probes are reading correctly... Do a
calibration and side-by-side test of all the probes with a comparison to a
lab grade standard thermometer. If you do not have access to such a unit I
have found that the LASER Thermometers are very accurate.
Second - You have to know where the temperature reading were taken for the
report.
Third - What is the +/- tolerance of the units used for the test... And
what is it for the probes you are using?
Fourth - What can you do to lower your CHT's other than pulling back on
power? How are your baffles? How big is your EXIT cowl area? Rule of
thumb - The EXIT area should be TWICE the size of the Air Intake Area...
Do the MATH! Use a ruller to obtain the correct sizes.
Barry
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM, <BobbyPaulk@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I
> thought it was 356 F max continuous.
> I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at 2700 ~
> 2800 RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
> 300 degrees.
> Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
>
> Bobby ( age 76 )
> Zodiac 601 XL "B"
> Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
> Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
> Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
> Status - Flying 222 hrs.
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
Berry,
I have read (Tony Bengalis, I think) that the exit area should be three
times the inlet. You are correct though, if you are running hot look for the
well established solutions so you can comfortably run at normal cruise
speeds. If your engine temps are ok and the cylinder head bolts don't move
ay 20# your good to go.
My 3300 SN 346, solid lifter, thick fins so I am using the lower F numbers.
Tim
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
08/23/14
Bobby:
I doubt it!
First - You have to see if your probes are reading correctly... Do a
calibration and side-by-side test of all the probes with a comparison to a
lab grade standard thermometer. If you do not have access to such a unit I
have found that the LASER Thermometers are very accurate.
Second - You have to know where the temperature reading were taken for the
report.
Third - What is the +/- tolerance of the units used for the test... And what
is it for the probes you are using?
Fourth - What can you do to lower your CHT's other than pulling back on
power? How are your baffles? How big is your EXIT cowl area? Rule of
thumb - The EXIT area should be TWICE the size of the Air Intake Area... Do
the MATH! Use a ruller to obtain the correct sizes.
Barry
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM, <BobbyPaulk@comcast.net> wrote:
Tim,
Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I thought
it was 356 F max continuous.
I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at 2700 ~
2800 RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
300 degrees.
Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
Bobby ( age 76 )
Zodiac 601 XL "B"
Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
Status - Flying 222 hrs.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
Adding an extra inch or two or three to the cowl exit area lip has been
found to be effective in reducing overall temps. The extra lip helps
increase the low pressure, essentially 'sucking' more air flow through the
engine compartment. I fabricated a lip extension from .020 aluminum,
rivited it on. Works like a charm.
On 25 Aug 2014 13:25, "FLYaDIVE" <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bobby:
>
> I doubt it!
> First - You have to see if your probes are reading correctly... Do a
> calibration and side-by-side test of all the probes with a comparison to a
> lab grade standard thermometer. If you do not have access to such a unit I
> have found that the LASER Thermometers are very accurate.
> Second - You have to know where the temperature reading were taken for the
> report.
> Third - What is the +/- tolerance of the units used for the test... And
> what is it for the probes you are using?
> Fourth - What can you do to lower your CHT's other than pulling back on
> power? How are your baffles? How big is your EXIT cowl area? Rule of
> thumb - The EXIT area should be TWICE the size of the Air Intake Area...
> Do the MATH! Use a ruller to obtain the correct sizes.
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM, <BobbyPaulk@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Tim,
>> Where did you get the information about 304 F. Maximum in cruise. I
>> thought it was 356 F max continuous.
>> I have a 3300 that #5 & #6 cylinders run 310 and 320 F in cruise at 2700
>> ~ 2800 RPM. I have to pull back to 2450 to get them under
>> 300 degrees.
>> Am I going to ruin my engine by cruising at 320 F. ??
>>
>> Bobby ( age 76 )
>> Zodiac 601 XL "B"
>> Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141
>> Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop
>> Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet
>> Status - Flying 222 hrs.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/23/14 |
I fully agree. The most important factor to correct higher CHT is
OUTFLOW. Increase the opening in the bottom and add a larger lip to the
bottom curve. I duct taped mine on until I found the right size and
shape (stayed on with no problem as long as no oil on the fiberglass).
Once the correct size then permanently rivet - remember this is not a
structural piece so any rivets even hardware store will work. I few for
nearly 3 hours yesterday, temps near 80 and high humidity and a cloud
deck from 2500 to 5000 feet. I climbed to above the clouds in a
continuous climb and only one cylinder got to 230 but all temps returned
to 260-285 range once I lowered the noise to cruise and stayed there. I
have an older, early SSN solid lifter 3300 with nearly 400 hours.
On 8/25/2014 2:28 PM, j. davis wrote:
>
> Adding an extra inch or two or three to the cowl exit area lip has
> been found to be effective in reducing overall temps. The extra lip
> helps increase the low pressure, essentially 'sucking' more air flow
> through the engine compartment. I fabricated a lip extension from .020
> aluminum, rivited it on. Works like a charm.
>
>
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