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There appears to be some serious crawfishing going on now with CASA as
evidenced by the clarification that was issued on Monday. I suppose when
you make threatening blanket statements about a company's product it would
probably be wise to be able to back it up with facts:
"CASA acknowledges that Jabiru has enjoyed a good reputation for
manufacturing safe and
reliable engines, and that most Jabiru manufactured engines continue to
operate safely and
reliably, in Australia and abroad"
Here's the full clarification and comment extension notice put out by CASA
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/newrules/download/cd1425ss-clarification-extension-consultation-period.pdf
As the old saying goes "When your only tool is a hammer every problem looks
like a nail"
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E
Jabiru 3300 Solid lifter/water cooled
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> Anybody seen this? I can't seem to find any info on the cause.
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> http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102279
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| Subject: | Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/17/14 |
John,
A synopsis of the CASA meeting with Jabiru is here:
http://www.jabiru.net.au/images/Response.pdf .
Apparently CASA does not have the facts or at least would not share what
facts they have with Jabiru or RAA. It seems that RAA (which has the
delegation from CASA to oversee small aircraft) does have facts and
those facts do not support CASA=99s charge. It surely looks as
though CASA has acted in an impulsive and unprofessional way and not in
a way that would inspire confidence that the organization is capable of
formulating consistent, well thought out policies to enhance the safety
of aviation in Australia.
Refusal to share the statistics CASA has with the manufacturer indicates
that CASA has no statistics or their statistics do not well support
their position. The fact that no risk analysis was done illustrates
gross incompetence. Procedures for risk analysis are well established
and CASA has adopted one good method when CASA adopted the Light Sport
ASTM Standard F2295. Odd that they chose not to use it! Or did they
use it and the result did not support their position?
Additionally, refusal to collaborate with RAA and Jabiru to gather
sufficient statistics to identify a problem=99s root cause is
worrisome. Compare the CASA approach to the FAA in the case of Zenith
wing issues. The FAA collected accident data and then worked with
Zenith (and others) to identify and isolate the problem and then issued
a safety warning that was specific and meaningful. It seems that CASA
personnel didn=99t have the initiative to do that type of orderly,
disciplined work.
Jabiru, for their part, are continuing with efforts to engineer
solutions to the two problems that have been the cause of the majority
of the engine malfunctions. The breaking through bolts seems to be
solved by the 7/16 diameter bolts and Jabiru has yet to see a valve
train issue with the roller cam follower engines. I know that Jabiru is
working on solutions for retrofit and we will have more info on that
soon.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
931-680-2800
www.usjabiru.com
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From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Lawton
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:00 AM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 3 Msgs -
11/17/14
There appears to be some serious crawfishing going on now with CASA as
evidenced by the clarification that was issued on Monday. I suppose when
you make threatening blanket statements about a company's product it
would probably be wise to be able to back it up with facts:
"CASA acknowledges that Jabiru has enjoyed a good reputation for
manufacturing safe and
reliable engines, and that most Jabiru manufactured engines continue to
operate safely and
reliably, in Australia and abroad"
Here's the full clarification and comment extension notice put out by
CASA
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/newrules/download/cd1425ss-cla
rification-extension-consultation-period.pdf
As the old saying goes "When your only tool is a hammer every problem
looks like a nail"
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E
Jabiru 3300 Solid lifter/water cooled
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From: John Lawton <wingdingy@gmail.com>
Anybody seen this? I can't seem to find any info on the cause.
http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102279
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E
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There is a lot of discussion on jabiruengines@yahoogroups.com including
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[mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
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Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Re: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
11/15/14
Anybody seen this? I can't seem to find any info on the cause.
http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_102279
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E
Jabiru 3300 Solid lifter/water cooled
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