---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/19/14: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:08 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:37 PM - Cold Start (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 2. 02:22 PM - Re: Cold Start (Pete Krotje) 3. 02:35 PM - Re: Cold Start (MacDonald Doug) 4. 02:46 PM - Re: Cold Start (H Lee Berrier) 5. 05:22 PM - Re: Cold Start (Gerald A. Applefeld VMD) 6. 05:48 PM - Re: Cold Start (Garth Knowles) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:39 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Value of the List... If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to think of it, you do... :-) Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these Lists? http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!! Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:16 PM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start Guys I should have said cold NOT start. When the outside temp is under 55 degrees my Jab 3300 will not start. I hav e tried jumper cables, chargers with 50 amp boost and a new battery. The en gine spins very fast There is spark at the plugs and fuel dripping onto the nosewheel pant. I even tried starting fluid, choke on, choke off, throttle cracked, throttle wide open - nothing After about 45 minutes of this and l etting it sit while the battery was recharging I decided to give it one mor e try. I tried it ( choke out - throttle closed) and it started right away as though nothing had been wrong. No flooded black smoke, no miss firing ju st a smooth run. Let it run until the oil temp show a small rise and shut i t down. Put the cowl back on and it started immediately with no jumpers. I was a little apprehensive about leaving the field for a 90 mile lunch trek but went anyhow - it started right up after sitting on the ramp for an hour and a half and again when we stopped for a short visit at another field. I t has never failed to start after the first start of the day. My choke has not been drilled out to the 1.2mm. Could that be part of the problem. I am also wondering how the fuel got on the wheelpant?? I turn the key ( mag swi tch ) off while working on it and back on before spinning the starter - cou ld it be the switch grounding both coils intermittently. I have heard of a newer coil for the left side that would allow propping or at least a lot more spark at a lower start RPM. Has anyone tried it? Out of ideas. Bobby ( age 76 ) Zodiac 601 XL "B" Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet Status - Flying 235 hrs. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:29 PM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start Bobby, When your engine is warm what is your idle rpm? Pete From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:53 PM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start Guys I should have said cold NOT start. When the outside temp is under 55 degrees my Jab 3300 will not start. I have tried jumper cables, chargers with 50 amp boost and a new battery. The engine spins very fast There is spark at the plugs and fuel dripping onto the nosewheel pant. I even tried starting fluid, choke on, choke off, throttle cracked, throttle wide open - nothing After about 45 minutes of this and letting it sit while the battery was recharging I decided to give it one more try. I tried it ( choke out - throttle closed) and it started right away as though nothing had been wrong. No flooded black smoke, no miss firing just a smooth run. Let it run until the oil temp show a small rise and shut it down. Put the cowl back on and it started immediately with no jumpers. I was a little apprehensive about leaving the field for a 90 mile lunch trek but went anyhow - it started right up after sitting on the ramp for an hour and a half and again when we stopped for a short visit at another field. It has never failed to start after the first start of the day. My choke has not been drilled out to the 1.2mm. Could that be part of the problem. I am also wondering how the fuel got on the wheelpant?? I turn the key ( mag switch ) off while working on it and back on before spinning the starter - could it be the switch grounding both coils intermittently. I have heard of a newer coil for the left side that would allow propping or at least a lot more spark at a lower start RPM. Has anyone tried it? Out of ideas. Bobby ( age 76 ) Zodiac 601 XL "B" Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet Status - Flying 235 hrs. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:38 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start Bobby, we are dealing with a similar issue up hear in the recently "Great W hite North" of Northwestern Ontario.=C2- As a solution on my buddy's STOL 750/3300 we took a small 6"x10" ceramic heater and modded up some galvaniz ed ductwork and a five inch flex hose to=C2-work as a rudimentary engine pre-heater.=C2- After running the heater for about 45 minutes last night at a temperature of about 18F the engine fired right up just like at the pe ak of summer.=C2- We also put an old sleeping bag on top of the cowl to k eep most of the heat in.=C2- The cylinder fins were not hot but I'm guess ing they were in the 60F range.=C2- We were not even really trying to sta rt the engine=C2-(just seeing how fast it turned) but it fired right up. I guess these=C2-engines from Australia don't like our cool North America n temperatures. Doug M=C2- =C2- From: "BobbyPaulk@comcast.net" To: "Server, JabiruEngine-List Digest" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:53 PM Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start Guys I should have said cold NOT start. When the outside temp is under 55 degrees my Jab 3300 will not start. I hav e tried jumper cables, chargers with 50 amp boost and a new battery. The en gine spins very fast There is spark at the plugs and fuel dripping onto the nosewheel pant. I even tried starting fluid, choke on, choke off, throttle cracked, throttle wide open - nothing=C2- After about 45 minutes of this and letting it sit while the battery was recharging I decided to give it o ne more try. I tried it ( choke out - throttle closed) and it started right away as though nothing had been wrong. No flooded black smoke, no miss fir ing=C2- just a smooth run. Let it run until the oil temp show a small ris e and shut it down. Put the cowl back on and it started immediately with no jumpers. I was a little apprehensive about leaving the field for a 90 mile lunch trek but went anyhow - it started right up after sitting on the ramp for an hour and a half and again when we stopped=C2- for a short visit a t another field. It has never failed to start after the first start of the day. My choke has not been drilled out to the 1.2mm. Could that be part of the=C2- problem. I am also wondering how the fuel got on the wheelpant?? I turn the key ( mag switch ) off while working on it and back on before sp inning the starter - could it be the switch grounding both coils intermitte ntly.=C2- I have heard of a newer coil for the left side that would allow propping or at least a lot more spark at a lower start RPM. Has anyone tried it? Out of ideas. Bobby=C2- ( age 76 ) Zodiac 601 XL "B" Jabiru=C2- 3300=C2- S/N=C2- 1141 Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet Status - Flying=C2- 235 hrs. Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:37 PM PST US From: H Lee Berrier Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start Hey Bobby I have a Lightning with a 3300A Jabiru and its also hard to start in cold weather. Your idle speed should not be over 900rpm Before you pre-flight turn on ele pump to fill carb bowl. Then turn over engine 6 or 7 times by hand mag off, to suck fuel in engine. Do your preflight. Then to start fuel pump on to fill bowl. Throttler off Choke full on and start. After start choke in some and add throttle for proper RPM 1100 or so to warm engine. Mine will start using this procedure. Jabiru recommends per heat at 40F and below. I have a ceramic heater around $25 that I use and it takes 20mins to heat the engine so it will start. Important don,t give it any throttle or it will not start. Tell me about the new coil I have not heard of it. My name is Lee Berrier from Central NC and am 75 years old. I have a Arion Lightning that I built with 115hrs on it. Am getting ready to put the new thru bolt nuts on. Have you changed yours or you got a later engine. Effects sr# 637 thru 2391. On 11/19/2014 3:53 PM, BobbyPaulk@comcast.net wrote: > Guys > I should have said cold NOT start. > When the outside temp is under 55 degrees my Jab 3300 will not start. > I have tried jumper cables, chargers with 50 amp boost and a new > battery. The engine spins very fast There is spark at the plugs and > fuel dripping onto the nosewheel pant. I even tried starting fluid, > choke on, choke off, throttle cracked, throttle wide open - nothing > After about 45 minutes of this and letting it sit while the battery > was recharging I decided to give it one more try. I tried it ( choke > out - throttle closed) and it started right away as though nothing had > been wrong. No flooded black smoke, no miss firing just a smooth run. > Let it run until the oil temp show a small rise and shut it down. Put > the cowl back on and it started immediately with no jumpers. I was a > little apprehensive about leaving the field for a 90 mile lunch trek > but went anyhow - it started right up after sitting on the ramp for an > hour and a half and again when we stopped for a short visit at > another field. It has never failed to start after the first start of > the day. My choke has not been drilled out to the 1.2mm. Could that be > part of the problem. I am also wondering how the fuel got on the > wheelpant?? I turn the key ( mag switch ) off while working on it and > back on before spinning the starter - could it be the switch grounding > both coils intermittently. > I have heard of a newer coil for the left side that would allow > propping or at least a lot more spark at a lower start RPM. Has anyone > tried it? > Out of ideas. > > > Bobby ( age 76 ) > Zodiac 601 XL "B" > Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 > Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop > Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet > Status - Flying 235 hrs. > > Do Not Archive > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:15 PM PST US From: "Gerald A. Applefeld VMD" Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start I agree with what Lee has written with one addition. My battery is a 18 AH gel cell. It turns the engine well in warm weather but can't turn the engine to proper speed to fire the mags if the battery becomes cold soaked. I use two 1600 watt hair driers with scat tubing attached then aimed under the back of the cowl to preheat. 15-20 minutes really warms well but if I aim one at the battery (Bat. is on firewall engine side) and warm it, I get full cranking amps and starts every time. Jerry On 11/19/2014 5:45 PM, H Lee Berrier wrote: > > Hey Bobby > > I have a Lightning with a 3300A Jabiru and its also hard to start in > cold weather. Your idle speed should not be over 900rpm Before you > pre-flight turn on ele pump to fill carb bowl. Then turn over engine > 6 or 7 times by hand mag off, to suck fuel in engine. > Do your preflight. Then to start fuel pump on to fill bowl. Throttler > off Choke full on and start. After start choke in some and add > throttle for proper RPM 1100 or so to warm engine. Mine will start > using this procedure. Jabiru recommends per heat at 40F and below. I > have a ceramic heater around $25 that I use and it takes 20mins to > heat the engine so it will start. Important don,t give it any throttle > or it will not start. > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:55 PM PST US From: Garth Knowles Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start I believe the "new coil" you guys may be referring to is the Rotec electron ic ignition, refer to this link:=0A=0Ahttp://www.rotecaerosport.com/product s/jab/ign/=0A=0AI just installed one of these on my 3300 and so far its wor king as advertised. =0A=0AFYI=0A=0AGarth=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Andro id=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message jabiruengine-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/JabiruEngine-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/jabiruengine-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/jabiruengine-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.