---------------------------------------------------------- JabiruEngine-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/22/14: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:18 AM - Re: Cold Start (Tim Yoder) 2. 01:44 PM - Cold Start (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net) 3. 02:52 PM - Re: Cold Start (FLYaDIVE) 4. 05:41 PM - Re: Cold Start (j. davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:18 AM PST US From: "Tim Yoder" Subject: RE: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start I recently drilled out my choke jet and it made a big difference, positive. Tim _____ From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:25 PM Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start Bobby & John: Thank you for the learning lesson guys. I should have realized that there is no prime since there is a choke. I guess the 1.2 mm hole will be considered more now. I'm thinking this is to reduce the MP so you don't flood the engine. And I'm with you Bobby... Those temps should not be a starting problem. Barry --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:19 PM PST US From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start List Many thanks to Gary Aman for telling about setting the air gap between the magnets and the pickup coils to .008. I had been checking mine at every "conditional" with a .010 flat 1/2" wide feeler gauge and getting a nice snug fit. What I was not aware of was the curvature of the flywheel was causing the drag on the feeler gauge. I cut the feeler gauge in half the long way and found out that the true gap was .012 at 3 places and .014 at another. I cut 2 pieces of a .008 thick feeler gauge and put a small section at each end of the magnet air gap near each bolt. I held the coil snugly against the feeler gauges and tightened the bolts. After doing both coils we pushed the plane out and it started on the 3rd or 4th blade from sitting cold all night. It was not as cold as it was last Sat (mid 40's at night but warmed up to 62 ). It has never started that easily even when new. The .010 would probably be O.K. but I went with the .008 since the cold weather is just starting. We are going to do the same thing to the 2200 at the nearby airport when the owner returns from vacation. I will let you know how it comes out. Bobby ( age 76 ) Zodiac 601 XL "B" Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet Status - Flying 235 hrs. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start From: FLYaDIVE Good Job Bobby... But, you do not use flat feeler gauges on curved surfaces - As you found out. Get a few sizes of Gauge Wires... Wires as in cylindrical. You may want to make up a set of Go / No-Go gauges. BUT! GOOD JOB and solving the problem. Good Job Gary! Barry On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM, wrote: > List > Many thanks to Gary Aman for telling about setting the air gap between > the magnets and the pickup coils to .008. > I had been checking mine at every "conditional" with a .010 flat 1/2" wide > feeler gauge and getting a nice snug fit. What I was not aware of was the > curvature of the flywheel was causing the drag on the feeler gauge. I cut > the feeler gauge in half the long way and found out that the true gap was > .012 at 3 places and .014 at another. > I cut 2 pieces of a .008 thick feeler gauge and put a small section at > each end of the magnet air gap near each bolt. I held the coil snugly > against the feeler gauges and tightened the bolts. > After doing both coils we pushed the plane out and it started on the 3rd > or 4th blade from sitting cold all night. It was not as cold as it was last > Sat (mid 40's at night but warmed up to 62 ). It has never started that > easily even when new. The .010 would probably be O.K. but I went with the > .008 since the cold weather is just starting. > We are going to do the same thing to the 2200 at the nearby airport when > the owner returns from vacation. > I will let you know how it comes out. > > > Bobby ( age 76 ) > Zodiac 601 XL "B" > Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 > Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop > Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet > Status - Flying 235 hrs. > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Cold Start From: "j. davis" Nothing wrong with using a flat (but flexible) feeler gauge. Here's what works for me: get yourself a *brass* .010 feeler gauge (or shim stock). Makes no difference how wide it is, about 1/2" is good, and it needs to be long enough to bridge the two coil posts. Loosen the coil hold-down screws, lift up the coil and place the brass strip between the coil arms and the flywheel magnets. The coil will stick itself to the magnets, with the strip in between. Tighten up the screws and work the brass strip out. Voila, perfectly set .010" gap. Repeat for the other coil. On 22 November 2014 at 17:51, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Good Job Bobby... > > But, you do not use flat feeler gauges on curved surfaces - As you found > out. Get a few sizes of Gauge Wires... Wires as in cylindrical. You may > want to make up a set of Go / No-Go gauges. > > BUT! GOOD JOB and solving the problem. > > Good Job Gary! > > Barry > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM, wrote: > >> List >> Many thanks to Gary Aman for telling about setting the air gap between >> the magnets and the pickup coils to .008. >> I had been checking mine at every "conditional" with a .010 flat 1/2" >> wide feeler gauge and getting a nice snug fit. What I was not aware of was >> the curvature of the flywheel was causing the drag on the feeler gauge. I >> cut the feeler gauge in half the long way and found out that the true gap >> was .012 at 3 places and .014 at another. >> I cut 2 pieces of a .008 thick feeler gauge and put a small section at >> each end of the magnet air gap near each bolt. I held the coil snugly >> against the feeler gauges and tightened the bolts. >> After doing both coils we pushed the plane out and it started on the 3rd >> or 4th blade from sitting cold all night. It was not as cold as it was last >> Sat (mid 40's at night but warmed up to 62 ). It has never started that >> easily even when new. The .010 would probably be O.K. but I went with the >> .008 since the cold weather is just starting. >> We are going to do the same thing to the 2200 at the nearby airport when >> the owner returns from vacation. >> I will let you know how it comes out. >> >> >> Bobby ( age 76 ) >> Zodiac 601 XL "B" >> Jabiru 3300 S/N 1141 >> Sensenich 64" x 51" Prop >> Bing Carb 260 Main & 290 Needle Jet >> Status - Flying 235 hrs. >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> ank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?JabiruEngine-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > > -- Regards, J. ----------------------------- J. 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