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1. 05:38 AM - Ignition (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
2. 05:54 AM - Re: Ignition (Rob Turk)
3. 06:42 AM - Re: Ignition (robert Haas)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: Ignition (Rob Turk)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: Ignition (robert Haas)
6. 08:18 AM - Re: CHT sensor Installation (Lynn Matteson)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: Ignition (kayberg@aol.com)
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I just purchased a Ro-tec E-Mag for my 3300. It uses 3.5 amps of current in cruise.
If you have a transponder, radio and whistles and bells you might run the
battery down while a long taxi or wait time. I found out shortly after I bought
the Ro-Tec that Jabiru makes an e-mag that uses current to enhance the spark
only on start and it then reverts back to the standard magneto and draws no
current. I do not know the part number nor have I been able to find it on the
net. It would make sense to me for Jabiru to promote it due to the hard start
problems some of us have experienced. I would have bought the Jab if I had known
about it in time.
Has anyone heard of it or using it?
bobby
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Bobby,
Here's a link to the old version of Jabiru's website. It lists the cold
start kit a bit down the page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140713062640/http://www.jabiru.net.au/
Using that link, the actual installation instructions are available for
download in the manuals section:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140529125754/http://jabiru.net.au/Manuals/CS01-2_Cold_Start_Installation%20mk2%20bracket%20and%20pickup.pdf
Jabiru's is indeed more sophisticated, it leaves the autonomous
characteristics of both ignition circuits intact and only adds a helper
circuit that needs battery power during the actual start.
Rob
On 2/14/2015 2:38 PM, BobbyPaulk@comcast.net wrote:
> List
> I just purchased a Ro-tec E-Mag for my 3300. It uses 3.5 amps of
> current in cruise. If you have a transponder, radio and whistles and
> bells you might run the battery down while a long taxi or wait time. I
> found out shortly after I bought the Ro-Tec that Jabiru makes an e-mag
> that uses current to enhance the spark only on start and it then
> reverts back to the standard magneto and draws no current. I do not
> know the part number nor have I been able to find it on the net. It
> would make sense to me for Jabiru to promote it due to the hard start
> problems some of us have experienced. I would have bought the Jab if I
> had known about it in time.
> Has anyone heard of it or using it?
>
> bobby
> *
>
>
> *
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Hey Bobby, thanks for the heads up. That is the first time I heard
that Jabiru admitted that the
charging circuit was inadequate . I think I=99ll keep searching a
proper igniter for the right side of
my Jabiru. Bob Haas N380BH.
From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 8:38 AM
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Ignition
List
I just purchased a Ro-tec E-Mag for my 3300. It uses 3.5 amps of current
in cruise. If you have a transponder, radio and whistles and bells you
might run the battery down while a long taxi or wait time. I found out
shortly after I bought the Ro-Tec that Jabiru makes an e-mag that uses
current to enhance the spark only on start and it then reverts back to
the standard magneto and draws no current. I do not know the part number
nor have I been able to find it on the net. It would make sense to me
for Jabiru to promote it due to the hard start problems some of us have
experienced. I would have bought the Jab if I had known about it in
time.
Has anyone heard of it or using it?
bobby
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Bob,
I am stunned.. How on earth did you arrive to the conclusion that Jabiru
admitted to anything?? They build an engine with a generator that
delivers 10A (early 2200 engines) or 20-25A in cruise. It does not
charge under ~1600rpm, so when taxiing or idling, your battery needs to
carry the electric load.
You have to do your own math if your electric load fits within that
envelope. Get a battery to match that load for the time you anticipate
running without charging. Or get an alternator that charges at low rpm.
The Rotec you bought will do that, as will the CAMit. Last alternative
is modifying the Jabiru generator coil so it starts charging around at
~800rpm. See:
http://www.jabiru.net.au/images/AVDALSR087-2_12_Pole_Alternator_Mod.pdf
Rob
On 2/14/2015 3:42 PM, robert Haas wrote:
> Hey Bobby, thanks for the heads up. That is the first time I
> heard that Jabiru admitted that the
> charging circuit was inadequate . I think Ill keep searching a
> proper igniter for the right side of
> my Jabiru. Bob Haas N380BH.
> *From:* BobbyPaulk@comcast.net <mailto:BobbyPaulk@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2015 8:38 AM
> *To:* Server, JabiruEngine-List Digest
> <mailto:jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* JabiruEngine-List: Ignition
> List
> I just purchased a Ro-tec E-Mag for my 3300. It uses 3.5 amps of
> current in cruise. If you have a transponder, radio and whistles and
> bells you might run the battery down while a long taxi or wait time. I
> found out shortly after I bought the Ro-Tec that Jabiru makes an e-mag
> that uses current to enhance the spark only on start and it then
> reverts back to the standard magneto and draws no current. I do not
> know the part number nor have I been able to find it on the net. It
> would make sense to me for Jabiru to promote it due to the hard start
> problems some of us have experienced. I would have bought the Jab if I
> had known about it in time.
> Has anyone heard of it or using it?
> bobby
> *
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I was being my normal gracious self. Bob H.
From: Rob Turk
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Ignition
Bob,
I am stunned.. How on earth did you arrive to the conclusion that Jabiru
admitted to anything?? They build an engine with a generator that
delivers 10A (early 2200 engines) or 20-25A in cruise. It does not
charge under ~1600rpm, so when taxiing or idling, your battery needs to
carry the electric load.
You have to do your own math if your electric load fits within that
envelope. Get a battery to match that load for the time you anticipate
running without charging. Or get an alternator that charges at low rpm.
The Rotec you bought will do that, as will the CAMit. Last alternative
is modifying the Jabiru generator coil so it starts charging around at
~800rpm. See:
http://www.jabiru.net.au/images/AVDALSR087-2_12_Pole_Alternator_Mod.pdf
Rob
On 2/14/2015 3:42 PM, robert Haas wrote:
Hey Bobby, thanks for the heads up. That is the first time I
heard that Jabiru admitted that the
charging circuit was inadequate . I think I=99ll keep searching
a proper igniter for the right side of
my Jabiru. Bob Haas N380BH.
From: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 8:38 AM
To: Server, JabiruEngine-List Digest
Subject: JabiruEngine-List: Ignition
List
I just purchased a Ro-tec E-Mag for my 3300. It uses 3.5 amps of
current in cruise. If you have a transponder, radio and whistles and
bells you might run the battery down while a long taxi or wait time. I
found out shortly after I bought the Ro-Tec that Jabiru makes an e-mag
that uses current to enhance the spark only on start and it then reverts
back to the standard magneto and draws no current. I do not know the
part number nor have I been able to find it on the net. It would make
sense to me for Jabiru to promote it due to the hard start problems some
of us have experienced. I would have bought the Jab if I had known about
it in time.
Has anyone heard of it or using it?
bobby
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| Subject: | Re: CHT sensor Installation |
Hi Jim-
I didn't have the hole either, so I drilled a hole in that area, as
described in someone's post quite a number of years ago....I don't
recall who it was. Anyway, I drilled a hole for a size #8 allen-
headed machine screw, tapped it, and installed a screw. Then I
removed that large spark plug lug, and fastened a #8 electrical lug
to the thermocouple lead. As I recall, I had to use a Dremel tool to
flatten the area where the hole is drilled. It's not a very hard job
to do, and it makes changing plugs a lot easier to boot, by not
having to unscrew the t'couple lug from the plugs.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
JabiLynn 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with 1608 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)
On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:36 PM, James Missler wrote:
> <misslerfarms@msn.com>
>
> Regarding CHT sensor installation, has anyone tried connecting to
> the Allen key headed bolt between the spark plugs? Since my Ser.
> #22A976 Mod. 2200 does not have the pilot hole between the spark
> plugs as described in Procedure AVDALSR085-1 why not connect to
> this existing bolt. Since I already know my cylinders are running
> in the proper temp. range all I need to know is if there is a
> sudden change in any one or all of them. I'm not really concerned
> what the actual temp. is, just if there is a change. I of coarse
> would tighten the head bolt back to its proper torque. Any one have
> any thoughts on this. Also does anyone have information on
> installing Vortex generators on the wings and all tail surfaces?
> Jim Missler
> 974 W. Main St.
> Bellevue, Ohio 44811
> 419-271-4279
> Installed in Kitfox III
> 100 Hrs. Total Time
>
>
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=0AI find that a 3.5 amp load for an ignition circuit to
be a bit heavy..... But then I am suspicious of Rotec.=0A
=0AOne of the virtues of the lawn mower ignition of Jabiru
is that it is simple and self-contained. Jabiru's own start
-boost sounds good to me.=0A =0A =0ADoug Koenigsberg=0A =0A =0A
-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: robert Haas <checkpoint3@comcast.net>
=0ATo: jabiruengine-list <jabiruengine-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Sat,
Feb 14, 2015 10:26 am=0ASubject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: Ignition=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A I was being my normal gracious self. Bo
b H.=0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: Rob Turk =0ASent: Saturday, February 14,
2015 10:10 AM=0ATo: jabiruengine-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Re:
JabiruEngine-List: Ignition=0A=0A =0A=0ABob,=0A=0AI am stunned.. How
on earth did you arrive to the conclusion that Jabiru admitt
ed to anything?? They build an engine with a generator that
delivers 10A (early 2200 engines) or 20-25A in cruise. It do
es not charge under ~1600rpm, so when taxiing or idling, you
r battery needs to carry the electric load. =0A=0AYou have t
o do your own math if your electric load fits within that
envelope. Get a battery to match that load for the time yo
u anticipate running without charging. Or get an alternator th
at charges at low rpm. The Rotec you bought will do that,
as will the CAMit. Last alternative is modifying the Jabiru
generator coil so it starts charging around at ~800rpm. See:=0A
http://www.jabiru.net.au/images/AVDALSR087-2_12_Pole_Alternator_Mod.pdf=0A=0A
Rob=0A=0AOn 2/14/2015 3:42 PM, robert Haas wrote:=0A=0A =0A
=0A =0A Hey Bobby, thanks for the heads up. Tha
t is the first time I heard that Jabiru admitted that
the=0A =0Acharging circuit was inadequate . I think I
=99ll keep searching a proper igniter for the right side
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=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0AFrom: BobbyPaulk@comcast.net
=0A =0ASent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 8:38 AM=0A =0ATo:
Server, JabiruEngine-List Digest =0A =0ASubject: JabiruEng
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=0AI just purchased a Ro-tec E-Mag for my 3300. It
uses 3.5 amps of current in cruise. If you have a transpon
der, radio and whistles and bells you might run the ba
ttery down while a long taxi or wait time. I found o
ut shortly after I bought the Ro-Tec that Jabiru makes an
e-mag that uses current to enhance the spark only on s
tart and it then reverts back to the standard magneto
and draws no current. I do not know the part number
nor have I been able to find it on the net. It would m
ake sense to me for Jabiru to promote it due to the
hard start problems some of us have experienced. I would
have bought the Jab if I had known about it in ti
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