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1. 04:14 AM - Re: Lycoming O-235 engines (Alfred Rosa)
2. 04:28 AM - Re: Wing root fairing (Bill Schertz)
3. 11:42 AM - Re: Wing root fairing (Mike Pienaar)
4. 12:14 PM - Re: Wing root fairing (Bill Schertz)
5. 12:35 PM - Re: Wing root fairing (Alfred Rosa)
6. 01:17 PM - Re: Wing root fairing (Mike Pienaar)
7. 02:36 PM - Leaky Airplane (Galin Hernandez)
8. 03:01 PM - Leaky Airplane (Galin Hernandez)
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Subject: | Re: Lycoming O-235 engines |
On Nov 6, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Mark Kettering wrote:
>
> Hi Al,
>
> For my all carbon TR-4 I just bought a 350 HP TIO-540 from a Mirage.
Are you modifying the wings? I don't think the original airfoil
design is ideal for utilizing the speed from such a powerplant.
Al
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairing |
Okay, that is a different story.
First, to make the 'slots': I laid a long straight edge (4' aluminum
ruler if I recall) down on a flat table, laid a piece of poly over that
so nothing would stick, and then laid a strip of 2 ply bid that went
from the table up over the ruler to make a step. I put peel ply over the
BID, and then brushed it down to make it conform over the step. After
cure, it was trimmed to size, and then bonded to the bottom of the
fuselage using Aeropoxy 6228 and clecoes. I then filled the bottom of
the fuselage at the 'step' to smooth the transition using MICRO.
The fairing is attached to the wing with screws and nutplates,
overlapping the 'joggle' and it 'floats' in the slot on the fuselage,
that way there are no stresses when the wing flexes. At the front of
the wing, the fairing tucks under the top fairing.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Thanks Bill,
I should have been a bit more specific, I was refering to the bottom
wing root fairing that you slide into the slot you built up under the
fuselage. Does this also "float" where it covers the wing and does it
fit into the joggle at the inner edge of the underside of the wing? If
you don't mind could you also explain how you constructed the slots on
the fuselage.
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
The fairing is NOT attached to the wing. The wing will flex and has
to be removed/installed. It just sits on the wing surface.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:07 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Hi Bill,
I was lokking at how you attached the wing root fairings and can
figure out what you did on the fuselage but how did you attach the
fairing onto the wing?
Cheers
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairing |
Thanks Bill,
I really like your solution and if you don't mind I'm going to copy it.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Okay, that is a different story.
First, to make the 'slots': I laid a long straight edge (4' aluminum
ruler if I recall) down on a flat table, laid a piece of poly over that
so nothing would stick, and then laid a strip of 2 ply bid that went
from the table up over the ruler to make a step. I put peel ply over the
BID, and then brushed it down to make it conform over the step. After
cure, it was trimmed to size, and then bonded to the bottom of the
fuselage using Aeropoxy 6228 and clecoes. I then filled the bottom of
the fuselage at the 'step' to smooth the transition using MICRO.
The fairing is attached to the wing with screws and nutplates,
overlapping the 'joggle' and it 'floats' in the slot on the fuselage,
that way there are no stresses when the wing flexes. At the front of
the wing, the fairing tucks under the top fairing.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Thanks Bill,
I should have been a bit more specific, I was refering to the
bottom wing root fairing that you slide into the slot you built up under
the fuselage. Does this also "float" where it covers the wing and does
it fit into the joggle at the inner edge of the underside of the wing?
If you don't mind could you also explain how you constructed the slots
on the fuselage.
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
The fairing is NOT attached to the wing. The wing will flex and
has to be removed/installed. It just sits on the wing surface.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:07 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Hi Bill,
I was lokking at how you attached the wing root fairings and can
figure out what you did on the fuselage but how did you attach the
fairing onto the wing?
Cheers
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairing |
Actually we should give credit to Bob Anderson, he did it first and I
copied HIM!!
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Thanks Bill,
I really like your solution and if you don't mind I'm going to copy
it.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Okay, that is a different story.
First, to make the 'slots': I laid a long straight edge (4'
aluminum ruler if I recall) down on a flat table, laid a piece of poly
over that so nothing would stick, and then laid a strip of 2 ply bid
that went from the table up over the ruler to make a step. I put peel
ply over the BID, and then brushed it down to make it conform over the
step. After cure, it was trimmed to size, and then bonded to the bottom
of the fuselage using Aeropoxy 6228 and clecoes. I then filled the
bottom of the fuselage at the 'step' to smooth the transition using
MICRO.
The fairing is attached to the wing with screws and nutplates,
overlapping the 'joggle' and it 'floats' in the slot on the fuselage,
that way there are no stresses when the wing flexes. At the front of
the wing, the fairing tucks under the top fairing.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Thanks Bill,
I should have been a bit more specific, I was refering to the
bottom wing root fairing that you slide into the slot you built up under
the fuselage. Does this also "float" where it covers the wing and does
it fit into the joggle at the inner edge of the underside of the wing?
If you don't mind could you also explain how you constructed the slots
on the fuselage.
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
The fairing is NOT attached to the wing. The wing will flex and
has to be removed/installed. It just sits on the wing surface.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:07 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Hi Bill,
I was lokking at how you attached the wing root fairings and
can figure out what you did on the fuselage but how did you attach the
fairing onto the wing?
Cheers
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairing |
Is this on Bob's web site. I'd like to see it.
Al
On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Bill Schertz wrote:
> Actually we should give credit to Bob Anderson, he did it first and
> I copied HIM!!
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase I testing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Pienaar
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
>
> Thanks Bill,
>
> I really like your solution and if you don't mind I'm going to copy
> it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Schertz
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:27 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
>
> Okay, that is a different story.
>
> First, to make the 'slots': I laid a long straight edge (4'
> aluminum ruler if I recall) down on a flat table, laid a piece of
> poly over that so nothing would stick, and then laid a strip of 2
> ply bid that went from the table up over the ruler to make a step.
> I put peel ply over the BID, and then brushed it down to make it
> conform over the step. After cure, it was trimmed to size, and
> then bonded to the bottom of the fuselage using Aeropoxy 6228 and
> clecoes. I then filled the bottom of the fuselage at the 'step' to
> smooth the transition using MICRO.
>
> The fairing is attached to the wing with screws and nutplates,
> overlapping the 'joggle' and it 'floats' in the slot on the
> fuselage, that way there are no stresses when the wing flexes. At
> the front of the wing, the fairing tucks under the top fairing.
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase I testing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Pienaar
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
>
> Thanks Bill,
>
> I should have been a bit more specific, I was refering to the
> bottom wing root fairing that you slide into the slot you built up
> under the fuselage. Does this also "float" where it covers the wing
> and does it fit into the joggle at the inner edge of the underside
> of the wing? If you don't mind could you also explain how you
> constructed the slots on the fuselage.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Schertz
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:52 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
>
> The fairing is NOT attached to the wing. The wing will flex and has
> to be removed/installed. It just sits on the wing surface.
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase I testing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Pienaar
> To: KISBUILDERS
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:07 AM
> Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I was lokking at how you attached the wing root fairings and can
> figure out what you did on the fuselage but how did you attach the
> fairing onto the wing?
>
> Cheers
>
> Mike
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing root fairing |
It is on Bob's site, look under:
Builders Construction
Bill Schertz
Fuselage Construction
It is the second last item on the list under Fuselage Construction
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Alfred Rosa
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Is this on Bob's web site. I'd like to see it.
Al
On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Bill Schertz wrote:
Actually we should give credit to Bob Anderson, he did it first and
I copied HIM!!
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Thanks Bill,
I really like your solution and if you don't mind I'm going to
copy it.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Okay, that is a different story.
First, to make the 'slots': I laid a long straight edge (4'
aluminum ruler if I recall) down on a flat table, laid a piece of poly
over that so nothing would stick, and then laid a strip of 2 ply bid
that went from the table up over the ruler to make a step. I put peel
ply over the BID, and then brushed it down to make it conform over the
step. After cure, it was trimmed to size, and then bonded to the bottom
of the fuselage using Aeropoxy 6228 and clecoes. I then filled the
bottom of the fuselage at the 'step' to smooth the transition using
MICRO.
The fairing is attached to the wing with screws and nutplates,
overlapping the 'joggle' and it 'floats' in the slot on the fuselage,
that way there are no stresses when the wing flexes. At the front of
the wing, the fairing tucks under the top fairing.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Thanks Bill,
I should have been a bit more specific, I was refering to the
bottom wing root fairing that you slide into the slot you built up under
the fuselage. Does this also "float" where it covers the wing and does
it fit into the joggle at the inner edge of the underside of the wing?
If you don't mind could you also explain how you constructed the slots
on the fuselage.
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
The fairing is NOT attached to the wing. The wing will flex
and has to be removed/installed. It just sits on the wing surface.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:07 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing
Hi Bill,
I was lokking at how you attached the wing root fairings
and can figure out what you did on the fuselage but how did you attach
the fairing onto the wing?
Cheers
Mike
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All;
I have had a water leak into the cockpit of my airplane since I first got
it. I tired every thing I could think of to stop the leak with no luck. I
even went as far as trying a "special" foam rubber door gasket but it kept
leaking. Yesterday while looking a the problem I realized the water had not
been getting between or around the gasket, but between the hinge and the
door skin.
The water had been getting between the hinge and the door skin on the
outside of the gasket, running between the two to the other side of the
gasket inside the cockpit. I put some clear silicone sealant where the
hinge meets the door skins. I closed the door so the silicone sealant would
work its way anywhere water could go and let it set a few minutes. I then
opened the door to make sure I hadn't sealed the door shut. After I let it
dry I closed the door, poured water directly onto the hinge and all around
the door with no leaking into the cockpit at all.
If your door has a water leak and you can't seem to stop it, check where the
hinge meets the door. Seal around it and see if it works. It worked for me.
Now to figure out how to open the door during a rainstorm without getting
wet. :o)
Galin
N819PR
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All;
I have had a water leak into the cockpit of my airplane since I first got
it. I tired every thing I could think of to stop the leak with no luck. I
even went as far as trying a "special" foam rubber door gasket but it kept
leaking. Yesterday while looking a the problem I realized the water had not
been getting between or around the gasket, but between the hinge and the
door skin.
The water had been getting between the hinge and the door skin on the
outside of the gasket, running between the two to the other side of the
gasket inside the cockpit. I put some clear silicone sealant where the
hinge meets the door skins. I closed the door so the silicone sealant would
work its way anywhere water could go and let it set a few minutes. I then
opened the door to make sure I hadn't sealed the door shut. After I let it
dry I closed the door, poured water directly onto the hinge and all around
the door with no leaking into the cockpit at all.
If your door has a water leak and you can't seem to stop it, check where the
hinge meets the door. Seal around it and see if it works. It worked for me.
Now to figure out how to open the door during a rainstorm without getting
wet. :o)
Galin
N819PR
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