---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/12/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Hardware Sizes () 2. 04:21 AM - Fittings Sizes () 3. 04:42 AM - Re: Fittings Sizes (haines george) 4. 05:43 AM - Selling B-BVZD () 5. 06:17 AM - Re: Wing root fairing (Bill Schertz) 6. 07:07 AM - Re: Wing root fairing () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:57 AM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: Hardware Sizes 11/12/2009 Hello Fellow Builders, A copy of the attached is pretty useful in the shop. OC ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:01 AM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: Fittings Sizes 11/12/2009 Hello Fellow Builders, This chart also comes in handy in the shop. OC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:41 AM PST US From: haines george Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fittings Sizes Selling B-BVZD Based in Carlisle UK=0A=0A George Haines=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: "bakerocb@cox.net" =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 12:20:55=0ASub ject: KIS-List: Fittings Sizes=0A=0A11/12/2009=0A=0AHello Fellow Builders, This chart also comes in handy in the shop.=0A=0AOC=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:18 AM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: Selling B-BVZD 11/12/2009 Hello George, It would be helpful to change the subject line on e mails if appropriate. Please tell us a bit about the airplane that you are selling. What nation uses B as the first letter in the tail number? Thanks, 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." ============================================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "haines george" Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fittings Sizes Selling B-BVZD Based in Carlisle UK George Haines ============================================== ________________________________ From: "bakerocb@cox.net" Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 12:20:55 Subject: KIS-List: Fittings Sizes 11/12/2009 Hello Fellow Builders, This chart also comes in handy in the shop. OC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:00 AM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing Actually, the close out panel was supplied by KIS as a molded part (flat with curve for wing leading edge) as a single sheet. I had to cut it down the center and then make the curved cut to handle the transition at the front. If this was not supplied, you will have to make your own by covering the wing with 2 mil poly, then making the layup over the poly, using peel ply. The factory piece looked to be more than 2-ply, I would go with 3-4 ply for that part. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pienaar To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing Hi Bill I presume you did a layup and used the bottom of your wing as a mold to make the panels for the bottom wing root fairing. What did you use as a release material and how thick did you make this layup. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Schertz To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:27 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing Okay, that is a different story. First, to make the 'slots': I laid a long straight edge (4' aluminum ruler if I recall) down on a flat table, laid a piece of poly over that so nothing would stick, and then laid a strip of 2 ply bid that went from the table up over the ruler to make a step. I put peel ply over the BID, and then brushed it down to make it conform over the step. After cure, it was trimmed to size, and then bonded to the bottom of the fuselage using Aeropoxy 6228 and clecoes. I then filled the bottom of the fuselage at the 'step' to smooth the transition using MICRO. The fairing is attached to the wing with screws and nutplates, overlapping the 'joggle' and it 'floats' in the slot on the fuselage, that way there are no stresses when the wing flexes. At the front of the wing, the fairing tucks under the top fairing. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pienaar To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing Thanks Bill, I should have been a bit more specific, I was refering to the bottom wing root fairing that you slide into the slot you built up under the fuselage. Does this also "float" where it covers the wing and does it fit into the joggle at the inner edge of the underside of the wing? If you don't mind could you also explain how you constructed the slots on the fuselage. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Schertz To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing The fairing is NOT attached to the wing. The wing will flex and has to be removed/installed. It just sits on the wing surface. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pienaar To: KISBUILDERS Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing Hi Bill, I was lokking at how you attached the wing root fairings and can figure out what you did on the fuselage but how did you attach the fairing onto the wing? 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I used primarily package sealing tape for release material and to bridge the gap between fuselage and wing. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." ================================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Schertz" Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Wing root fairing Actually, the close out panel was supplied by KIS as a molded part (flat with curve for wing leading edge) as a single sheet. I had to cut it down the center and then make the curved cut to handle the transition at the front. If this was not supplied, you will have to make your own by covering the wing with 2 mil poly, then making the layup over the poly, using peel ply. The factory piece looked to be more than 2-ply, I would go with 3-4 ply for that part. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pienaar To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: KIS-List: Wing root fairing Hi Bill I presume you did a layup and used the bottom of your wing as a mold to make the panels for the bottom wing root fairing. What did you use as a release material and how thick did you make this layup. 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