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1. 04:43 AM - Nose Wheel Fairing ()
2. 05:30 AM - If all else fails, use Duct tape (Alfred Rosa)
3. 11:04 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Fairing (F. Tim Yoder)
4. 11:40 AM - Nose Wheel Fairing ()
5. 12:22 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Fairing (Mike Pienaar)
6. 01:09 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Fairing ()
7. 03:11 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Fairing (Galin Hernandez)
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Fairing |
1/11/2010
Hello Fellow Builders, Attached are pictures of my version of a nose wheel
strut fairing and nose wheel pant for my KIS TR-1.
This arrangement was created from a Glastar nose landing gear strut fairing
and a Van's nose landing gear wheel pant.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
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| Subject: | If all else fails, use Duct tape |
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Fairing |
Hello 'OC',
They look very nice!
Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the wheel
pant is exactly in trail when in flight? I understand some are offset by the
prop blast. If yours is, it might be creating drag from air going into the
pant past the strut fairing?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
> 1/11/2010
>
> Hello Fellow Builders, Attached are pictures of my version of a nose wheel
> strut fairing and nose wheel pant for my KIS TR-1.
>
> This arrangement was created from a Glastar nose landing gear strut
> fairing
> and a Van's nose landing gear wheel pant.
>
> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
> understand knowledge."
>
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Fairing |
1/11/2010
Hello Tim, You wrote:
1) "They look very nice!"
Thank you.
2) "Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the wheel
pant is exactly in trail when in flight?"
Not yet.
3) "I understand some are offset by the prop blast. If yours is, it might be
creating drag from air going into the pant past the strut fairing?"
Could be. My nose wheel steering swivel is very stiff so I kind of doubt
that the prop blast could displace it. More than likely it will remain
pointed in the direction it was in when the nose wheel lifted off.
But supposing one determined that an offset nose wheel pant was an ongoing
problem. How would one correct that? There was a KIS plane (maybe a 4
placer) at Sun n' Fun several years ago that had two long bungees going from
points on each side of the fuselage to the aft end of the nose wheel pant. I
suppose the idea was to keep the nose wheel pant centered while airborne.
Looked a bit tacky and would not work with my stiff swiveling nose gear.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
PS: I have sort of a vague scheme in mind to seal off both the vertical and
horizontal openings in the front of that wheel pant, but not a strong enough
motivation to do so yet.
====================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>
> Hello 'OC',
>
> They look very nice!
>
> Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the wheel
> pant is exactly in trail when in flight? I understand some are offset by
> the prop blast. If yours is, it might be creating drag from air going into
> the pant past the strut fairing?
>
> Tim
===========================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
> To: "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 AM
> Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>
>> 1/11/2010
>>
>> Hello Fellow Builders, Attached are pictures of my version of a nose
>> wheel
>> strut fairing and nose wheel pant for my KIS TR-1.
>>
>> This arrangement was created from a Glastar nose landing gear strut
>> fairing
>> and a Van's nose landing gear wheel pant.
>>
>> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
>> understand knowledge."
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Fairing |
Nice jobs, OC and Galin.
If the nose wheel is free to swivel in the airflow will it not adopt the
position of least drag?
Thanks
Mike
T
----- Original Message -----
From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>
> 1/11/2010
>
> Hello Tim, You wrote:
>
> 1) "They look very nice!"
>
> Thank you.
>
> 2) "Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the
> wheel
> pant is exactly in trail when in flight?"
>
> Not yet.
>
> 3) "I understand some are offset by the prop blast. If yours is, it might
> be
> creating drag from air going into the pant past the strut fairing?"
>
> Could be. My nose wheel steering swivel is very stiff so I kind of doubt
> that the prop blast could displace it. More than likely it will remain
> pointed in the direction it was in when the nose wheel lifted off.
>
> But supposing one determined that an offset nose wheel pant was an ongoing
> problem. How would one correct that? There was a KIS plane (maybe a 4
> placer) at Sun n' Fun several years ago that had two long bungees going
> from
> points on each side of the fuselage to the aft end of the nose wheel pant.
> I
> suppose the idea was to keep the nose wheel pant centered while airborne.
> Looked a bit tacky and would not work with my stiff swiveling nose gear.
>
> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
> understand knowledge."
>
> PS: I have sort of a vague scheme in mind to seal off both the vertical
> and
> horizontal openings in the front of that wheel pant, but not a strong
> enough
> motivation to do so yet.
>
> ====================================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>
>
>>
>> Hello 'OC',
>>
>> They look very nice!
>>
>> Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the wheel
>> pant is exactly in trail when in flight? I understand some are offset by
>> the prop blast. If yours is, it might be creating drag from air going
>> into
>> the pant past the strut fairing?
>>
>> Tim
>
> ===========================================
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>> To: "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 AM
>> Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>>
>>> 1/11/2010
>>>
>>> Hello Fellow Builders, Attached are pictures of my version of a nose
>>> wheel
>>> strut fairing and nose wheel pant for my KIS TR-1.
>>>
>>> This arrangement was created from a Glastar nose landing gear strut
>>> fairing
>>> and a Van's nose landing gear wheel pant.
>>>
>>> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
>>> understand knowledge."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Fairing |
1/11/2010
Hello Mike, That least drag positioning for a free swiveling nose wheel
makes sense to me.
I guess you could postulate a scenario where the high power prop wash is
enough to displace the nose wheel and pant sideways immediately after
takeoff and climb out, but then the swiveling torque required is such that
when the engine power is reduced to a cruise setting that the nose wheel and
pant remains deflected into the airstream and creates more drag than needed
while in cruise.
I have seen nose wheel pants with a little fin on the rear end presumably to
fair the wheel pant into the prevailng airstream where ever it might be
coming from.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>
> Nice jobs, OC and Galin.
>
> If the nose wheel is free to swivel in the airflow will it not adopt the
> position of least drag?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>; <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:39 AM
> Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>
>
>>
>> 1/11/2010
>>
>> Hello Tim, You wrote:
>>
>> 1) "They look very nice!"
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> 2) "Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the
>> wheel
>> pant is exactly in trail when in flight?"
>>
>> Not yet.
>>
>> 3) "I understand some are offset by the prop blast. If yours is, it might
>> be
>> creating drag from air going into the pant past the strut fairing?"
>>
>> Could be. My nose wheel steering swivel is very stiff so I kind of doubt
>> that the prop blast could displace it. More than likely it will remain
>> pointed in the direction it was in when the nose wheel lifted off.
>>
>> But supposing one determined that an offset nose wheel pant was an
>> ongoing
>> problem. How would one correct that? There was a KIS plane (maybe a 4
>> placer) at Sun n' Fun several years ago that had two long bungees going
>> from
>> points on each side of the fuselage to the aft end of the nose wheel
>> pant. I
>> suppose the idea was to keep the nose wheel pant centered while airborne.
>> Looked a bit tacky and would not work with my stiff swiveling nose gear.
>>
>> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
>> understand knowledge."
>>
>> PS: I have sort of a vague scheme in mind to seal off both the vertical
>> and
>> horizontal openings in the front of that wheel pant, but not a strong
>> enough
>> motivation to do so yet.
>>
>> ====================================================
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
>> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hello 'OC',
>>>
>>> They look very nice!
>>>
>>> Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the wheel
>>> pant is exactly in trail when in flight? I understand some are offset by
>>> the prop blast. If yours is, it might be creating drag from air going
>>> into
>>> the pant past the strut fairing?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>
>> ===========================================
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>>> To: "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 AM
>>> Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>>>
>>>> 1/11/2010
>>>>
>>>> Hello Fellow Builders, Attached are pictures of my version of a nose
>>>> wheel
>>>> strut fairing and nose wheel pant for my KIS TR-1.
>>>>
>>>> This arrangement was created from a Glastar nose landing gear strut
>>>> fairing
>>>> and a Van's nose landing gear wheel pant.
>>>>
>>>> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
>>>> understand knowledge."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 13:29:00
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Fairing |
This is what the Piper Cherokee has on it's nose wheel. With our free
castoring nosewheel it should try to weathervane into the position of least
resistance.
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:08 PM, <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
>
> 1/11/2010
>
> Hello Mike, That least drag positioning for a free swiveling nose wheel
> makes sense to me.
>
> I guess you could postulate a scenario where the high power prop wash is
> enough to displace the nose wheel and pant sideways immediately after
> takeoff and climb out, but then the swiveling torque required is such that
> when the engine power is reduced to a cruise setting that the nose wheel and
> pant remains deflected into the airstream and creates more drag than needed
> while in cruise.
>
> I have seen nose wheel pants with a little fin on the rear end presumably
> to fair the wheel pant into the prevailng airstream where ever it might be
> coming from.
>
>
> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
> understand knowledge."
>
> ================================================
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
>
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:20 PM
>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>
>
>>
>> Nice jobs, OC and Galin.
>>
>> If the nose wheel is free to swivel in the airflow will it not adopt the
>> position of least drag?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> T
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>; <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:39 AM
>> Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 1/11/2010
>>>
>>> Hello Tim, You wrote:
>>>
>>> 1) "They look very nice!"
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> 2) "Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the
>>> wheel
>>> pant is exactly in trail when in flight?"
>>>
>>> Not yet.
>>>
>>> 3) "I understand some are offset by the prop blast. If yours is, it might
>>> be
>>> creating drag from air going into the pant past the strut fairing?"
>>>
>>> Could be. My nose wheel steering swivel is very stiff so I kind of doubt
>>> that the prop blast could displace it. More than likely it will remain
>>> pointed in the direction it was in when the nose wheel lifted off.
>>>
>>> But supposing one determined that an offset nose wheel pant was an
>>> ongoing
>>> problem. How would one correct that? There was a KIS plane (maybe a 4
>>> placer) at Sun n' Fun several years ago that had two long bungees going
>>> from
>>> points on each side of the fuselage to the aft end of the nose wheel
>>> pant. I
>>> suppose the idea was to keep the nose wheel pant centered while airborne.
>>> Looked a bit tacky and would not work with my stiff swiveling nose gear.
>>>
>>> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
>>> understand knowledge."
>>>
>>> PS: I have sort of a vague scheme in mind to seal off both the vertical
>>> and
>>> horizontal openings in the front of that wheel pant, but not a strong
>>> enough
>>> motivation to do so yet.
>>>
>>> ====================================================
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Tim Yoder" <
>>> ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
>>> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello 'OC',
>>>>
>>>> They look very nice!
>>>>
>>>> Have you had a fellow pilot take a picture or look to see that the wheel
>>>> pant is exactly in trail when in flight? I understand some are offset by
>>>> the prop blast. If yours is, it might be creating drag from air going
>>>> into
>>>> the pant past the strut fairing?
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>
>>> ===========================================
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>>>> To: "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 AM
>>>> Subject: KIS-List: Nose Wheel Fairing
>>>>
>>>> 1/11/2010
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Fellow Builders, Attached are pictures of my version of a nose
>>>>> wheel
>>>>> strut fairing and nose wheel pant for my KIS TR-1.
>>>>>
>>>>> This arrangement was created from a Glastar nose landing gear strut
>>>>> fairing
>>>>> and a Van's nose landing gear wheel pant.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
>>>>> understand knowledge."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> 13:29:00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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