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1. 03:53 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Alfred Rosa)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Bill Schertz)
3. 09:43 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Scott Stearns)
4. 09:51 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Scott Stearns)
5. 10:23 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar)
6. 10:44 AM - Re: Fuel tank (wschertz@comcast.net)
7. 11:19 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar)
8. 11:19 AM - Re: Fuel tank ()
9. 12:11 PM - Fuel tank coatings (wschertz@comcast.net)
10. 06:32 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar)
11. 07:13 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Robert Reed)
12. 08:25 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar)
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Is epoxy impervious to avgas, or is Jeffco better? Can Jeffco be
somehow applied over epoxy in sealed tanks (sloshed maybe)?
Al
On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Scott Stearns wrote:
> I used the Jeffco stuff in aircraft spruce. I squeeged in on then
> painted on two coats The factory airplanes just squeeged on normal
> epoxy. If I did it again I'd probably just use the normal epoxy
> and really work it in with a squeege. Maybe add a little flox.
> The jeffco stuff does make the insides of the tanks look nice
> through the fuel cap.
>
> Scott
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Jeffco is too thick for sloshing.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Alfred Rosa
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Is epoxy impervious to avgas, or is Jeffco better? Can Jeffco be
somehow applied over epoxy in sealed tanks (sloshed maybe)?
Al
On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Scott Stearns wrote:
I used the Jeffco stuff in aircraft spruce. I squeeged in on
then painted on two coats The factory airplanes just squeeged on normal
epoxy. If I did it again I'd probably just use the normal epoxy and
really work it in with a squeege. Maybe add a little flox. The jeffco
stuff does make the insides of the tanks look nice through the fuel cap.
Scott
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Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshin
g them after they're closed?
-
Scott
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi All
-
What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks
-
Thanks
-
Mike
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Jeffco advertises that it's impervious to avgas.- I doubt the epoxy maker
s would vow to that.-
-
When I was at Scaled they had done tests of epoxy laminates that had been s
itting in jars of-100LL for years.- The final test was at 10 years if I
remember right-and there was no reduction in properties.- Of course al
l epoxies are not excatly the same, but it bodes well.
-
Ethanol-in Mogas-is a disatster though.
-
Scott
--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Alfred Rosa <76papa@dishmail.net> wrote:
From: Alfred Rosa <76papa@dishmail.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Is epoxy impervious to avgas, or is Jeffco better? -Can Jeffco be somehow
applied over epoxy in sealed tanks (sloshed maybe)?
Al
On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Scott Stearns wrote:
I used the Jeffco stuff in aircraft spruce.- I squeeged in on then painte
d on two coats- The factory airplanes just squeeged on normal epoxy.- I
f I did it again I'd probably just use the normal epoxy and really work it
in with a squeege.- Maybe add a little flox.- The jeffco stuff does mak
e the insides of the tanks look nice through the fuel cap.
-
Scott
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Hi
I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the
inside and then repairing the hole again.
The reference that OC gave
http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer
says
"Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. "
I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone
number that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody
has a number for Jeffco I would appreciate it
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings
or sloshing them after they're closed?
Scott
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank
To: "KISBUILDERS" <kis-list@matronics.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:34 PM
Hi All
What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of
the fuel tanks
Thanks
Mike
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My invoice from 1998 has 619-576-9900
Jeffco Products
5252 Kearny Villa Way
San Diego, CA 92123
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:20:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi
I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the insi
de and then repairing the hole again.
The reference that OC gave
http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer http:/
/wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer
says
=C2-"Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings.
"
I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone numbe
r that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a n
umber for Jeffco I would appreciate it
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshin
g them after they're closed?
Scott
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca > wrote:
From: Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca >
Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi All
What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks
Thanks
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Thanks Bill,
I have now tracked them down, they have been taken over by Rhino
products and are distributed by Composites One which means you cannot
get hold of anybody that knows anything, I've submitted a question
on-line so will see what they say.
Thanks for the help
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: wschertz@comcast.net
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
My invoice from 1998 has 619-576-9900
Jeffco Products
5252 Kearny Villa Way
San Diego, CA 92123
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:20:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
Central
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi
I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the
inside and then repairing the hole again.
The reference that OC gave
http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer
says
"Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings.
"
I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone
number that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody
has a number for Jeffco I would appreciate it
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the
wings or sloshing them after they're closed?
Scott
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank
To: "KISBUILDERS" <kis-list@matronics.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:34 PM
Hi All
What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of
the fuel tanks
Thanks
Mike
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et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
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1/13/2010
Hello Mike, You quoted: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously
applied coatings. "
I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer. Obviously, if
there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not properly
adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly adhered to the
substrate.
Realize that our KIS moldings have been made from pre impregnated (with
epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us that have successfully used Jeffco 9700 FCR
on the interior of our wing fuel tanks have, in effect, applied the Jeffco
9700 FCR over a previously applied coating.
Some of us have even applied additional laminating resin over the interior
surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
============================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi
I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the
inside and then repairing the hole again.
The reference that OC gave
http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer
says: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. "
I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone number
that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a
number for Jeffco I would appreciate it
Thanks
Mike
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Subject: | Fuel tank coatings |
Be sure that you resand all the interior surface before applying the coatin
g. Then I think you will be okay.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Mike Pienaar
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Thanks Bill,
I have now tracked them down, they have been taken over by Rhino products a
nd are distributed by Composites One which means you cannot get hold of any
body that knows anything, I've submitted a question on-line so will see wha
t they say.
Thanks for the help
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: wschertz@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
My invoice from 1998 has 619-576-9900
Jeffco Products
5252 Kearny Villa Way
San Diego, CA 92123
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pienaar" < mjpienaar@shaw.ca >
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:20:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi
I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the insi
de and then repairing the hole again.
The reference that OC gave
http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer http:/
/wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer
says
=C2-"Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings.
"
I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone numbe
r that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a n
umber for Jeffco I would appreciate it
Thanks
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshin
g them after they're closed?
Scott
--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca > wrote:
From: Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca >
Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi All
What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks
Thanks
Mike
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Hi All,
Found my leak to-day quite by accident. In desperation I covered the entire
wing with dishwashing liquid where I thought the leak could be (that should
give you a clue). Nothing.
While I was hosing the wing down to get rid of the soap I noticed bubbles at
the end of the front spar, 4 inches from the tank. Air was travelling
through the foam core of the spar and exiting at the end.
The question now is do I open the tank and re-coat it inside or do I live
with gas soaked foam in the spar, all comments will be appreciated. My
initial feeling is to live with the situation as the major surgery involved
to cut each bay open and reclose it may be worse
Thanks for the help
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
>
> 1/13/2010
>
> Hello Mike, You quoted: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other
> previously
> applied coatings. "
>
> I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer. Obviously,
> if
> there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not properly
> adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly adhered to
> the
> substrate.
>
> Realize that our KIS moldings have been made from pre impregnated (with
> epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us that have successfully used Jeffco 9700
> FCR
> on the interior of our wing fuel tanks have, in effect, applied the Jeffco
> 9700 FCR over a previously applied coating.
>
> Some of us have even applied additional laminating resin over the interior
> surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR.
>
> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
> understand knowledge."
>
> ============================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the
> inside and then repairing the hole again.
>
> The reference that OC gave
>
> http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer
>
> says: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings.
> "
>
> I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone
> number
> that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a
> number for Jeffco I would appreciate it
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
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Mike,=0A=0AIf you look on my website you will find that I had the exact sam
e problem with my wing when I was checking for leaks.- I have some photos
of the bubbles at the end of the rear spar section.- I cleaned out the c
orner from the end of the spar back to the rib.- I also dug back into the
point of junction between rib and spar.- I sanded and cleaned the entire
area and then filled and coated everything with Jeffco 9700 including the
rib face and rear spar facing.- As far as I can determine the leaks have
all been closed now.=0A=0ABob Reed=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________
____________=0AFrom: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>=0ATo: kis-list@matron
ics.com=0ASent: Wed, January 13, 2010 8:31:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: F
w.ca>=0A=0AHi All,=0A=0AFound my leak to-day quite by accident. In desperat
ion I covered the entire wing with dishwashing liquid where I thought the l
eak could be (that should give you a clue). Nothing.=0A=0AWhile I was hosin
g the wing down to get rid of the soap I noticed bubbles at the end of the
front spar, 4 inches from the tank. Air was travelling through the foam cor
e of the spar and exiting at the end.=0A=0AThe question now is do I open th
e tank and re-coat it inside or do I live with gas soaked foam in the spar,
all comments will be appreciated. My initial feeling is to live with the s
ituation as the major surgery involved to cut each bay open and reclose it
may be worse=0A=0AThanks for the help=0A=0AMike=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mess
age ----- From: <bakerocb@cox.net>=0ATo: <kis-list@matronics.com>; "Mike Pi
enaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>=0ASent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:15 AM=0AS
bakerocb@cox.net>=0A> =0A> 1/13/2010=0A> =0A> Hello Mike, You quoted:- "D
o not apply over old epoxies or other previously=0A> applied coatings. "=0A
> =0A> I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer. Obviou
sly, if=0A> there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not
properly=0A> adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly
adhered to the=0A> substrate.=0A> =0A> Realize that our KIS moldings have b
een made from pre impregnated (with=0A> epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us th
at have successfully used Jeffco 9700 FCR=0A> on the interior of our wing f
uel tanks have, in effect, applied the Jeffco=0A> 9700 FCR over a previousl
y applied coating.=0A> =0A> Some of us have even applied additional laminat
ing resin over the interior=0A> surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR
.=0A> =0A> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gat
her and=0A> understand knowledge."=0A> =0A> ==========
===========0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>=0A> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>=0A> Sen
t: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM=0A> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
=0A> =0A> =0A> Hi=0A> =0A> I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and t
hen resealing from the=0A> inside and then repairing the hole again.=0A>
=0A> The reference that OC gave=0A> =0A> http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.p
hp?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer=0A> =0A> says: "Do not apply over old ep
oxies or other previously applied coatings. "=0A> =0A> I cannot get hold of
Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone number=0A> that is listed
in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a=0A> number for Je
ffco I would appreciate it=0A> =0A> Thanks=0A> =0A> Mike=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>
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Thanks Bob,
I've looked on your site under My Progress:wings: leak testing: but the
photo's don't load. Am I in the right place.
Thanks for the help
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Reed
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Mike,
If you look on my website you will find that I had the exact same
problem with my wing when I was checking for leaks. I have some photos
of the bubbles at the end of the rear spar section. I cleaned out the
corner from the end of the spar back to the rib. I also dug back into
the point of junction between rib and spar. I sanded and cleaned the
entire area and then filled and coated everything with Jeffco 9700
including the rib face and rear spar facing. As far as I can determine
the leaks have all been closed now.
Bob Reed
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From: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 8:31:51 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
Hi All,
Found my leak to-day quite by accident. In desperation I covered the
entire wing with dishwashing liquid where I thought the leak could be
(that should give you a clue). Nothing.
While I was hosing the wing down to get rid of the soap I noticed
bubbles at the end of the front spar, 4 inches from the tank. Air was
travelling through the foam core of the spar and exiting at the end.
The question now is do I open the tank and re-coat it inside or do I
live with gas soaked foam in the spar, all comments will be appreciated.
My initial feeling is to live with the situation as the major surgery
involved to cut each bay open and reclose it may be worse
Thanks for the help
Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
To: <kis-list@matronics.com>; "Mike Pienaar" <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
>
> 1/13/2010
>
> Hello Mike, You quoted: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other
previously
> applied coatings. "
>
> I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer.
Obviously, if
> there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not
properly
> adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly
adhered to the
> substrate.
>
> Realize that our KIS moldings have been made from pre impregnated
(with
> epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us that have successfully used Jeffco
9700 FCR
> on the interior of our wing fuel tanks have, in effect, applied the
Jeffco
> 9700 FCR over a previously applied coating.
>
> Some of us have even applied additional laminating resin over the
interior
> surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR.
>
> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather
and
> understand knowledge."
>
>
===================
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar"
<mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank
>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from
the
> inside and then repairing the hole again.
>
> The reference that OC gave
>
> http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer
>
> says: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied
coatings. "
>
> I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the
phone number
> that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody
has a
> number for Jeffco I would appreciate it
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
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