---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/13/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Alfred Rosa) 2. 06:13 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Bill Schertz) 3. 09:43 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Scott Stearns) 4. 09:51 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Scott Stearns) 5. 10:23 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar) 6. 10:44 AM - Re: Fuel tank (wschertz@comcast.net) 7. 11:19 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar) 8. 11:19 AM - Re: Fuel tank () 9. 12:11 PM - Fuel tank coatings (wschertz@comcast.net) 10. 06:32 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar) 11. 07:13 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Robert Reed) 12. 08:25 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Mike Pienaar) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:44 AM PST US From: Alfred Rosa <76papa@dishmail.net> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Is epoxy impervious to avgas, or is Jeffco better? Can Jeffco be somehow applied over epoxy in sealed tanks (sloshed maybe)? Al On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Scott Stearns wrote: > I used the Jeffco stuff in aircraft spruce. I squeeged in on then > painted on two coats The factory airplanes just squeeged on normal > epoxy. If I did it again I'd probably just use the normal epoxy > and really work it in with a squeege. Maybe add a little flox. > The jeffco stuff does make the insides of the tanks look nice > through the fuel cap. > > Scott ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:44 AM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Jeffco is too thick for sloshing. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing From: Alfred Rosa Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:50 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Is epoxy impervious to avgas, or is Jeffco better? Can Jeffco be somehow applied over epoxy in sealed tanks (sloshed maybe)? Al On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Scott Stearns wrote: I used the Jeffco stuff in aircraft spruce. I squeeged in on then painted on two coats The factory airplanes just squeeged on normal epoxy. If I did it again I'd probably just use the normal epoxy and really work it in with a squeege. Maybe add a little flox. The jeffco stuff does make the insides of the tanks look nice through the fuel cap. Scott ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:19 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshin g them after they're closed? - Scott --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar wrote: From: Mike Pienaar Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi All - What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks - Thanks - Mike =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:24 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Jeffco advertises that it's impervious to avgas.- I doubt the epoxy maker s would vow to that.- - When I was at Scaled they had done tests of epoxy laminates that had been s itting in jars of-100LL for years.- The final test was at 10 years if I remember right-and there was no reduction in properties.- Of course al l epoxies are not excatly the same, but it bodes well. - Ethanol-in Mogas-is a disatster though. - Scott --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Alfred Rosa <76papa@dishmail.net> wrote: From: Alfred Rosa <76papa@dishmail.net> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Is epoxy impervious to avgas, or is Jeffco better? -Can Jeffco be somehow applied over epoxy in sealed tanks (sloshed maybe)? Al On Jan 13, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Scott Stearns wrote: I used the Jeffco stuff in aircraft spruce.- I squeeged in on then painte d on two coats- The factory airplanes just squeeged on normal epoxy.- I f I did it again I'd probably just use the normal epoxy and really work it in with a squeege.- Maybe add a little flox.- The jeffco stuff does mak e the insides of the tanks look nice through the fuel cap. - Scott =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:06 AM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the inside and then repairing the hole again. The reference that OC gave http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer says "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. " I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone number that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a number for Jeffco I would appreciate it Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshing them after they're closed? Scott --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar wrote: From: Mike Pienaar Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank To: "KISBUILDERS" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:34 PM Hi All What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks Thanks Mike =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/13/10 07:35:00 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:14 AM PST US From: wschertz@comcast.net Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank My invoice from 1998 has 619-576-9900 Jeffco Products 5252 Kearny Villa Way San Diego, CA 92123 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:20:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the insi de and then repairing the hole again. The reference that OC gave http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer http:/ /wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer says =C2-"Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. " I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone numbe r that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a n umber for Jeffco I would appreciate it Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshin g them after they're closed? Scott --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca > wrote: From: Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca > Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi All What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks Thanks Mike =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-Lis t et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.m atronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.ma tronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matro nics.com/c - Release Date: 01/13/10 07:35:00 == ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:11 AM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Thanks Bill, I have now tracked them down, they have been taken over by Rhino products and are distributed by Composites One which means you cannot get hold of anybody that knows anything, I've submitted a question on-line so will see what they say. Thanks for the help Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wschertz@comcast.net To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank My invoice from 1998 has 619-576-9900 Jeffco Products 5252 Kearny Villa Way San Diego, CA 92123 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:20:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the inside and then repairing the hole again. The reference that OC gave http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer says "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. " I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone number that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a number for Jeffco I would appreciate it Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshing them after they're closed? Scott --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar wrote: From: Mike Pienaar Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank To: "KISBUILDERS" Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:34 PM Hi All What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks Thanks Mike =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - Release Date: 01/13/10 07:35:00 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/13/10 07:35:00 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank 1/13/2010 Hello Mike, You quoted: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. " I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer. Obviously, if there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not properly adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly adhered to the substrate. Realize that our KIS moldings have been made from pre impregnated (with epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us that have successfully used Jeffco 9700 FCR on the interior of our wing fuel tanks have, in effect, applied the Jeffco 9700 FCR over a previously applied coating. Some of us have even applied additional laminating resin over the interior surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the inside and then repairing the hole again. The reference that OC gave http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer says: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. " I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone number that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a number for Jeffco I would appreciate it Thanks Mike ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:28 PM PST US From: wschertz@comcast.net Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank coatings Be sure that you resand all the interior surface before applying the coatin g. Then I think you will be okay. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing From: Mike Pienaar Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:15 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Thanks Bill, I have now tracked them down, they have been taken over by Rhino products a nd are distributed by Composites One which means you cannot get hold of any body that knows anything, I've submitted a question on-line so will see wha t they say. Thanks for the help Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wschertz@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank My invoice from 1998 has 619-576-9900 Jeffco Products 5252 Kearny Villa Way San Diego, CA 92123 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" < mjpienaar@shaw.ca > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:20:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the insi de and then repairing the hole again. The reference that OC gave http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer http:/ /wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer says =C2-"Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. " I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone numbe r that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a n umber for Jeffco I would appreciate it Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Are you talking about sealing the tanks before closing the wings or sloshin g them after they're closed? Scott --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca > wrote: From: Mike Pienaar < mjpienaar@shaw.ca > Subject: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi All What brand of epoxy is recommended for sealing the inside of the fuel tanks Thanks Mike ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:40 PM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi All, Found my leak to-day quite by accident. In desperation I covered the entire wing with dishwashing liquid where I thought the leak could be (that should give you a clue). Nothing. While I was hosing the wing down to get rid of the soap I noticed bubbles at the end of the front spar, 4 inches from the tank. Air was travelling through the foam core of the spar and exiting at the end. The question now is do I open the tank and re-coat it inside or do I live with gas soaked foam in the spar, all comments will be appreciated. My initial feeling is to live with the situation as the major surgery involved to cut each bay open and reclose it may be worse Thanks for the help Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank > > 1/13/2010 > > Hello Mike, You quoted: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other > previously > applied coatings. " > > I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer. Obviously, > if > there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not properly > adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly adhered to > the > substrate. > > Realize that our KIS moldings have been made from pre impregnated (with > epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us that have successfully used Jeffco 9700 > FCR > on the interior of our wing fuel tanks have, in effect, applied the Jeffco > 9700 FCR over a previously applied coating. > > Some of us have even applied additional laminating resin over the interior > surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR. > > 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and > understand knowledge." > > ============================================ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Pienaar" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank > > > Hi > > I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the > inside and then repairing the hole again. > > The reference that OC gave > > http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer > > says: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. > " > > I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone > number > that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a > number for Jeffco I would appreciate it > > Thanks > > Mike > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:35:00 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:04 PM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Mike,=0A=0AIf you look on my website you will find that I had the exact sam e problem with my wing when I was checking for leaks.- I have some photos of the bubbles at the end of the rear spar section.- I cleaned out the c orner from the end of the spar back to the rib.- I also dug back into the point of junction between rib and spar.- I sanded and cleaned the entire area and then filled and coated everything with Jeffco 9700 including the rib face and rear spar facing.- As far as I can determine the leaks have all been closed now.=0A=0ABob Reed=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________ ____________=0AFrom: Mike Pienaar =0ATo: kis-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Wed, January 13, 2010 8:31:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: F w.ca>=0A=0AHi All,=0A=0AFound my leak to-day quite by accident. In desperat ion I covered the entire wing with dishwashing liquid where I thought the l eak could be (that should give you a clue). Nothing.=0A=0AWhile I was hosin g the wing down to get rid of the soap I noticed bubbles at the end of the front spar, 4 inches from the tank. Air was travelling through the foam cor e of the spar and exiting at the end.=0A=0AThe question now is do I open th e tank and re-coat it inside or do I live with gas soaked foam in the spar, all comments will be appreciated. My initial feeling is to live with the s ituation as the major surgery involved to cut each bay open and reclose it may be worse=0A=0AThanks for the help=0A=0AMike=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mess age ----- From: =0ATo: ; "Mike Pi enaar" =0ASent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:15 AM=0AS bakerocb@cox.net>=0A> =0A> 1/13/2010=0A> =0A> Hello Mike, You quoted:- "D o not apply over old epoxies or other previously=0A> applied coatings. "=0A > =0A> I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer. Obviou sly, if=0A> there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not properly=0A> adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly adhered to the=0A> substrate.=0A> =0A> Realize that our KIS moldings have b een made from pre impregnated (with=0A> epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us th at have successfully used Jeffco 9700 FCR=0A> on the interior of our wing f uel tanks have, in effect, applied the Jeffco=0A> 9700 FCR over a previousl y applied coating.=0A> =0A> Some of us have even applied additional laminat ing resin over the interior=0A> surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR .=0A> =0A> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gat her and=0A> understand knowledge."=0A> =0A> ========== ===========0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" =0A> To: =0A> Sen t: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM=0A> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank =0A> =0A> =0A> Hi=0A> =0A> I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and t hen resealing from the=0A> inside and then repairing the hole again.=0A> =0A> The reference that OC gave=0A> =0A> http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.p hp?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer=0A> =0A> says: "Do not apply over old ep oxies or other previously applied coatings. "=0A> =0A> I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone number=0A> that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a=0A> number for Je ffco I would appreciate it=0A> =0A> Thanks=0A> =0A> Mike=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------=0A=0A=0A=0AChecked by AVG - www.avg.com=0A07:35:00=0A ============ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:14 PM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Thanks Bob, I've looked on your site under My Progress:wings: leak testing: but the photo's don't load. Am I in the right place. Thanks for the help Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:12 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Mike, If you look on my website you will find that I had the exact same problem with my wing when I was checking for leaks. I have some photos of the bubbles at the end of the rear spar section. I cleaned out the corner from the end of the spar back to the rib. I also dug back into the point of junction between rib and spar. I sanded and cleaned the entire area and then filled and coated everything with Jeffco 9700 including the rib face and rear spar facing. As far as I can determine the leaks have all been closed now. Bob Reed ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Mike Pienaar To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 8:31:51 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank Hi All, Found my leak to-day quite by accident. In desperation I covered the entire wing with dishwashing liquid where I thought the leak could be (that should give you a clue). Nothing. While I was hosing the wing down to get rid of the soap I noticed bubbles at the end of the front spar, 4 inches from the tank. Air was travelling through the foam core of the spar and exiting at the end. The question now is do I open the tank and re-coat it inside or do I live with gas soaked foam in the spar, all comments will be appreciated. My initial feeling is to live with the situation as the major surgery involved to cut each bay open and reclose it may be worse Thanks for the help Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:15 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank > > 1/13/2010 > > Hello Mike, You quoted: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously > applied coatings. " > > I think that you have to view that as written by some lawyer. Obviously, if > there is a primer or base coating on the substrate that is not properly > adhered then any further coating will also be not be properly adhered to the > substrate. > > Realize that our KIS moldings have been made from pre impregnated (with > epoxy) fiber glass. So all of us that have successfully used Jeffco 9700 FCR > on the interior of our wing fuel tanks have, in effect, applied the Jeffco > 9700 FCR over a previously applied coating. > > Some of us have even applied additional laminating resin over the interior > surface before applying the Jeffco 9700 FCR. > > 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and > understand knowledge." > > =================== > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel tank > > > Hi > > I'm thinking of cutting a hole in each bay and then resealing from the > inside and then repairing the hole again. > > The reference that OC gave > > http://wiki.velocityxl.com/index.php?title=Jeffco_Fuel_Tank_Sealer > > says: "Do not apply over old epoxies or other previously applied coatings. " > > I cannot get hold of Jeffco, there is no Jeffco website and the phone number > that is listed in the yellow pages is non existent. so if anybody has a > number for Jeffco I would appreciate it > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/13/10 07:35:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.