---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/27/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:07 AM - Re: Elevator and aileron push tubes (ALFRED ROSA) 2. 04:11 AM - Re: moved (Richard Trickel) 3. 04:47 AM - AW: Re: moved (Twellmann, Ralf) 4. 05:18 AM - Re: ANDAIR Fuel Selector () 5. 05:28 AM - Re: Elevator and aileron push tubes () 6. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: moved (Galin Hernandez) 7. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: moved (F. Tim Yoder) 8. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: moved (Robert Reed) 9. 08:22 AM - Re: ANDAIR Fuel Selector (Scott Stearns) 10. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: moved (Flyinisfun@aol.com) 11. 09:02 AM - Re: Elevator and aileron push tubes (Richard Trickel) 12. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: moved (Mike Pienaar) 13. 09:26 AM - Re: ANDAIR Fuel Selector (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes From: ALFRED ROSA I used hard rivits. Al On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote: > Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the > threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes > > Thanks > > Mike > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:17 AM PST US From: Richard Trickel Subject: KIS-List: Re: moved To all I am no longer with Pulsar.- I am still in the composite business but hop efully this will be a better job.- My support will still be available but will no longer have access to parts for the planes.- As you know getting parts sent from El Salvador was always a problem but it was not from what you think.- I enjoyed my stay in El Salvador but got to hate the job especially over th e last two years.- We just never went anywhere and never had money. I am looking forward to doing something more constructive. Rich --- On Wed, 1/27/10, ALFRED ROSA wrote: From: ALFRED ROSA Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes I used hard rivits. - Al - - On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote: Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes - Thanks - Mike - et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:02 AM PST US Subject: AW: KIS-List: Re: moved From: "Twellmann, Ralf" Hi Rich, good luck with your new job and best regards from (cold) Germany! Ralf Twellmann (KIS#104) ________________________________ Von: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Trickel Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 13:11 An: kis-list@matronics.com Betreff: KIS-List: Re: moved To all I am no longer with Pulsar. I am still in the composite business but hopefully this will be a better job. My support will still be available but will no longer have access to parts for the planes. As you know getting parts sent from El Salvador was always a problem but it was not from what you think. I enjoyed my stay in El Salvador but got to hate the job especially over the last two years. We just never went anywhere and never had money. I am looking forward to doing something more constructive. Rich --- On Wed, 1/27/10, ALFRED ROSA wrote: From: ALFRED ROSA Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:06 AM I used hard rivits. Al On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mike Pienaar > wrote: Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes Thanks Mike et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:03 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: ANDAIR Fuel Selector 1/27/2010 Hello Mike, I find that stainless steel hex socket (Allen) drive screws give a very attractive high tech look. They were used on my instrument panel and many other places on the airplane including out of sight. Also where possible I used stainless steel Torx (6 lobe) drive screws in many applications. In fact one would be hard pressed to find a Phillips drive screw any place on my airplane. Check out Microfasteners for a source of the above hex socket and Torx drive screws: http://www.microfasteners.com/ For driving these screws you need the right tools. A cordless screw driver with the right insert bits makes working with these screws a pleasure. See here for some handy kits: http://www.chapmanmfg.com/default.htm 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: After years of search efforts in many different places I finally got Microfasteners to create stainless steel, 100 degree countersink, flat head, Torx (6 lobe) drive screws. These are used throughout my plane where possible. I know of no other source for these screws: http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/products/SSCFCMXS.cfm ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:16 AM Subject: KIS-List: ANDAIR Fuel Selector If any body used the ANDAIR fuel selector what esthetically pleasing screws did you use to secure the bezel Thanks Mike ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:19 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes 1/27/2010 Hello Mike, Definitely the hard rivets. Attached is a picture of a KIS TR-1 that had an aileron push tube disconnect. It was never conclusively proved what caused the end of the aileron tube to become disconnected. Could have sheared off. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: Very dramatic story of how the pilot survived. ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:20 AM Subject: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes Thanks Mike ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:00 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: moved Good lock Rich and keep in touch. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Richard Trickel wrote: > To all > I am no longer with Pulsar. I am still in the composite business but > hopefully this will be a better job. My support will still be available but > will no longer have access to parts for the planes. As you know getting > parts sent from El Salvador was always a problem but it was not from what > you think. > I enjoyed my stay in El Salvador but got to hate the job especially over > the last two years. We just never went anywhere and never had money. > I am looking forward to doing something more constructive. > Rich > > --- On *Wed, 1/27/10, ALFRED ROSA * wrote: > > > From: ALFRED ROSA > Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes > To: kis-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:06 AM > > I used hard rivits. > > Al > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mike Pienaar > > wrote: > >> Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the >> threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> * >> >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:44 AM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: moved Good luck Rich. Where are you headed? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:10 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: moved To all I am no longer with Pulsar. I am still in the composite business but hopefully this will be a better job. My support will still be available but will no longer have access to parts for the planes. As you know getting parts sent from El Salvador was always a problem but it was not from what you think. I enjoyed my stay in El Salvador but got to hate the job especially over the last two years. We just never went anywhere and never had money. I am looking forward to doing something more constructive. Rich --- On Wed, 1/27/10, ALFRED ROSA wrote: From: ALFRED ROSA Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:06 AM I used hard rivits. Al On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote: Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes Thanks Mike et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:14 AM PST US From: Robert Reed Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: moved Rich,=0A=0ABest of luck in your new endevor and please keep in touch.=0A=0A PS:- Is there any chance that I can obtain the Bill-of-Sale that I will n eed for obtaining my registration before you leave?=0A=0ABob Reed=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Richard Trickel =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, January 27, 2010 6:10:46 AM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Re: moved=0A=0A=0ATo all=0AI am no lo nger with Pulsar.- I am still in the composite business but hopefully thi s will be a better job.- My support will still be available but will no l onger have access to parts for the planes.- As you know getting parts sen t from El Salvador was always a problem but it was not from what you think. - =0AI enjoyed my stay in El Salvador but got to hate the job especially over the last two years.- We just never went anywhere and never had money . =0AI am looking forward to doing something more constructive.=0ARich=0A =0A--- On Wed, 1/27/10, ALFRED ROSA wrote:=0A=0A=0A>F rom: ALFRED ROSA =0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator a nd aileron push tubes=0A>To: kis-list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Wednesday, Jan uary 27, 2010, 3:06 AM=0A>=0A>=0A>I used hard rivits.=0A>=0A>Al=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>-=0A>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote:=0A>=0A>Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secu re the threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes=0A>> -=0A>>Thanks=0A>>-=0A>>Mike=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>et="_blank">http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List=0A>>ttp://forums.matronics.com=0A>>_blank ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=nofollo w target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List=0A>et=_blan k>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:20 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: ANDAIR Fuel Selector I used philips head AN screws with the built in washer because they are low er profile.- If you use the normal kind they stick up too far and the han dle catches on the screws.- Scott --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mike Pienaar wrote: From: Mike Pienaar Subject: KIS-List: ANDAIR Fuel Selector If any body used-the ANDAIR-fuel selector what esthetically pleasing sc rews did you use to secure the bezel - Thanks - Mike =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:58 AM PST US From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: moved Good luck Rich. Sorry you will be moving. I can emagine it's not easy. Let us know where you land. Jesse To all I am no longer with Pulsar. I am still in the composite business but hopefully this will be a better job. My support will still be available but will no longer have access to parts for the planes. As you know getting parts sent from El Salvador was always a problem but it was not from what you think. I enjoyed my stay in El Salvador but got to hate the job especially over the last two years. We just never went anywhere and never had money. I am looking forward to doing something more constructive. Rich ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:32 AM PST US From: Richard Trickel Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes who=B4s plane is this/ RICH --- On Wed, 1/27/10, bakerocb@cox.net wrote: From: bakerocb@cox.net Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes 1/27/2010 Hello Mike, Definitely the hard rivets. Attached is a picture of a KIS TR-1 that had an aileron push tube disconnec t. It was never conclusively proved what caused the end of the aileron tube to become disconnected. Could have sheared off. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and und erstand knowledge." PS: Very dramatic story of how the pilot survived. ===================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:20 AM Subject: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes Thanks Mike =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:56 AM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: moved Good Luck Rich, Please keep in touch Regards Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:10 AM Subject: KIS-List: Re: moved To all I am no longer with Pulsar. I am still in the composite business but hopefully this will be a better job. My support will still be available but will no longer have access to parts for the planes. As you know getting parts sent from El Salvador was always a problem but it was not from what you think. I enjoyed my stay in El Salvador but got to hate the job especially over the last two years. We just never went anywhere and never had money. I am looking forward to doing something more constructive. Rich --- On Wed, 1/27/10, ALFRED ROSA wrote: From: ALFRED ROSA Subject: Re: KIS-List: Elevator and aileron push tubes To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:06 AM I used hard rivits. Al On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote: Does one use soft or hard (A or AD) aluminum rivets to secure the threaded rod ends in the elevator and aileron push/pull tubes Thanks Mike et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/26/10 19:36:00 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:27 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: KIS-List: ANDAIR Fuel Selector You can also special order a replacement faceplate from ANDAIR that has counter sunk holes that work nicely with a #8 flush head screw. See the attached photo of my RV-8 installation. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com Finishing Up... At 08:21 AM 1/27/2010 Wednesday, you wrote: >I used philips head AN screws with the built in washer because they are lower profile. If you use the normal kind they stick up too far and the handle catches on the screws. Scott > >--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mike Pienaar wrote: > >From: Mike Pienaar >Subject: KIS-List: ANDAIR Fuel Selector >To: "KISBUILDERS" >Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:16 PM > >If any body used the ANDAIR fuel selector what esthetically pleasing screws did you use to secure the bezel > >Thanks > >Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.