---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/26/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Electrical connectors (ALFRED ROSA) 2. 04:03 AM - Re: turbulance (Richard Trickel) 3. 07:11 AM - Re: Electrical connectors (Mike Pienaar) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: Electrical connectors () 5. 07:52 AM - Re: Gas springs for doors (Lee & Carol) 6. 08:37 AM - Re: Electrical connectors () 7. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: turbulance (Flyinisfun@aol.com) 8. 09:23 AM - Re: bump (Richard Trickel) 9. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: bump (JOHN JACKSON) 10. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: turbulance (ALFRED ROSA) 11. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: bump (Scott Stearns) 12. 03:47 PM - Re: Electrical connectors (Scott Stearns) 13. 04:31 PM - Re: Gas springs for doors (F. Tim Yoder) 14. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: bump (Flyinisfun@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors From: ALFRED ROSA Use the most secure connectors (ring type that bolt on). On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote: > Hi All, > > What type of connectors do I use when connecting to things such as the fuel > pump and the fuel level senders. > > Regards > > Mike > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:04 AM PST US From: Richard Trickel Subject: KIS-List: Re: turbulance JESSE iT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TURBULANCE.. IF IT HAD BEEN SO METHING ON THE PLANE YOU WOULD KNOW. RICH --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Flyinisfun@aol.com wrote: From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: KIS-List: Re-Flying - Hello Guys, - I am flying again after being down because of whether and Transponder failu re.- I replaced a Radair transponder unit for a King KT76A.- I bought i t used from a shop in Calif. - Anyway I am still planing to send Rich my weight and balance figure when he gets relocated.- I was not able to get any pictures of tufts on the elev ator so will fly with a chase plane to take pictures as soon as the weather clears some here in Denver, CO. - I have flown three times since I had a nightmare landing.- I decided I co uld do it and learn what it takes to do it right.- I went to the airport and watched the Lears and Cessna Citations land.- They come in with enoug h power to maintain the airplane level through decent and across the fence. - The descent is controlled, at that attitude with power.- At about tou ch down the power comes back some and the nose is raised about 5 degrees an d held at that pitch until touch down.- I have had 3 perfect landings sin ce by doing it just that way.- I practiced this at altitude first and saw what it took to hold these attitudes.- When I get a few more landings un der my belt I might change that some but for now, I am actually touching do wn about 65 to 70-mph indicated.- What a relief, I don't think I will p art it our now.- HA!!!!! - I had an experience I would like to compare with your guys though.- I was flying straight and level in the practice area, indicating about 140 when all of a sudden the plane pitched up about 15 degrees, then down about 15 d egrees etc.- It was bang - bang --bang- bang,-very rapid and-violent. - This happened about 3 times before I could pull the power, then it stop ped.- Question:- Has anyone else experienced this action?- Did I fly through a front that was rolling?- Did I hit someone else's wake?- I di dn't see any aircraft in the area.- I even turned around and scanned the sky and no one else was in sight.- It was like flying through a roll clou d.- I've never experienced this before. - At the right speed, could this have been an interaction between the wing ro ot filets and the tail?- Anybody care to speculate?- I got back and hav e careful gone through the-plane and I find nothing loose. - --------- Jesse Wright--- =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:58 AM PST US From: "Mike Pienaar" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors Sorry, let me rephrase that, do I use a plug (if yes then what type) or do I use a terminal block or something else. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:55 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors Use the most secure connectors (ring type that bolt on). On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote: Hi All, What type of connectors do I use when connecting to things such as the fuel pump and the fuel level senders. Regards Mike et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:59 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors 2/26/2010 Hello Mike, If you are making in line wire to wire connections my preference is Molex AVIKRIMP, fully insulated, crimp on, male and female, quick disconnects. Here is a data sheet on the male version: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0190010001_QUICK_DISCONNECTS.xml&channel=Products&Lang=en-US and here is a data sheet on the female version: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/19003-0040/?qs=zb2cXSD1GSE7hqjLVfW3MA%3d%3d These terminals will come in the standard red, yellow, and blue colors indicating the wire gage size that the terminal is intended to be used with. They will also come in different metal tab widths. The most popular width tab seems to be 0.250 inches. The female version is also used on a wire when the electrical device or fixture is equipped with male push on, or FASTON tabs. Avikrimp terminals also come in ring versions for use in connecting wire to a threaded stud on the electrical fixture. Here is a sample data sheet: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0190730168_RING_AND_SPADE_TER.xml&part=active/0640011500_APPLICATION_TOOLIN.xml&channel=Products&Lang=en-US These come in a variety of wire gage sizes (red, yellow, and blue) and rings sizes to fit various stud sizes. Shop around. These are not cheap. Here is one potential source: http://www.terminaltown.com/index.htm You may go a bit cheaper by using insulated (but not fully insulated) terminals and covering them with heat shrink tubing, but unconnecting is then more difficult. Here is one tool for crimping these terminals: http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/EclipseCrimpTools.html Here is another one: http://www.bandc.biz/pidgstylecrimptool.aspx 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." ============================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 1:09 AM Subject: KIS-List: Electrical connectors Hi All, What type of connectors do I use when connecting to things such as the fuel pump and the fuel level senders. Regards Mike ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:57 AM PST US From: "Lee & Carol" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Gas springs for doors ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:05 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors 2/26/2010 Hello Again Mike, If you are connecting to a device that has just a few wires, say 3 or less, then connecting each wire individually is probably the easiest. See my earlier post on terminals to use when connecting wires individually. If you are going to be connection many wires, and particularly if these wires will be disconnected and reconnected frequently during the aircraft's operation, then some kind of multi wire connector may be suitable. When it comes to multi wire connectors many factors can influence the selection of the type of connector, such as: cost, amount of amperage per wire going through the connector, size of wire, frequency of disconnecting and reconnecting, accessibility of the connector, reliability of the connection, and probably some more factors that don't come to mind right now. Some commonly used multi wire connector types are: D sub miniature, plastic block (such as AMP Mate n Lock, or Molex), and circular types, commonly called "Cannon Plugs". There is no "one size fits all" solution. Why don't you give us a few of the specific connection problems that you are trying to solve and we can come up with some suggestions. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: Terminal blocks for connecting to individual items spread througout the electrical system are probably one of the least favorite ways of making these connections. ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors Sorry, let me rephrase that, do I use a plug (if yes then what type) or do I use a terminal block or something else. Thanks Mike =================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: ALFRED ROSA To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:55 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors Use the most secure connectors (ring type that bolt on). ======================================================= On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Mike Pienaar wrote: Hi All, What type of connectors do I use when connecting to things such as the fuel pump and the fuel level senders. Regards Mike ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:41 AM PST US From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: turbulance JESSE iT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TURBULANCE.. IF IT HAD BEEN SOMETHING ON THE PLANE YOU WOULD KNOW. RICH Hi Rich, Ha good to hear from you! Thanks for the reply. Something like this is so unusual that it makes one wonder what it might be. Good to know that it is not others experience as well. Thanks again. Jesse ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:42 AM PST US From: Richard Trickel Subject: KIS-List: Re: bump Jesse One time over new mexico I hit turbulance so bad and instantanious that the oil stick popped off the engine.- Probably lasted 2 seconds but my head still hurts. Rich --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Flyinisfun@aol.com wrote: From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: turbulance JESSE iT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TURBULANCE.. IF IT HAD BEEN SO METHING ON THE PLANE YOU WOULD KNOW. RICH - Hi Rich, - Ha good to hear from you!- Thanks for the reply.- Something like this i s so unusual that it makes one wonder what it might be.- Good to know tha t it is not others experience as well.-Thanks again. - -- Jesse =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:03 AM PST US From: JOHN JACKSON Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: bump Jesse=0A=0AI was flying my TR-1 at about 140kt IAS on a beautiful calm summ ers day.- Suddenly the aircraft hit such a bump that my passenger hit the roof and split his head open on the door hinge; what a mess! (the passenge r, not the aeroplane)=0Aafter regaining our composure, I began to wonder wh at could cause such a violent bump.- I then thought, Sh1t! What if I've h it another aircraft?- I was so concerned that I might have that I flew to the nearest airfield and did a low fly-by so they could check the conditio n of my landing gear and underside.- Thankfully, there was no damage; and it proved that there wasn't any impact either.=0AHaving discussed this at length with several other pilots, we put it down to Wake turbulance from a heavy jet.- Apparently it is possible for wake turbulance to descend many thousands of feet below airliners when the conditions are calm.- I was d irectly under the flight path of heavies departing from a London Airport bu t about 12 miles away.=0A=0AJohn=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: Richard Trickel =0ATo: kis-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Friday, 26 February, 2010 17:17:13=0ASubject: KIS-List: Re: bump=0A=0A=0AJesse=0AOne time over new mexico I hit turbulance so bad and instantanious that the oil stick popped off the engine.- Probably lasted 2 seconds but my head still hurts.=0ARich=0A=0A--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Flyinis fun@aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: Flyinisfun@aol.com < Flyinisfun@aol.com>=0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: turbulance=0A>To: kis-lis t@matronics.com=0A>Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 9:03 AM=0A>=0A>=0A>JESS E=0A>iT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TURBULANCE.. IF IT HAD BE EN SOMETHING ON THE PLANE YOU WOULD KNOW.=0A>RICH=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Rich,=0A> =0A>Ha good to hear from you!- Thanks for the reply.- Something like th is is so unusual that it makes one wonder what it might be.- Good to know that it is not others experience as well.-Thanks again.=0A>=0A>-- Je sse=0A>=0A>=0A>=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?KIS-List=0A>et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>llow target=_bl ======== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: turbulance From: ALFRED ROSA Jesse, You weren't over the Bermuda triangle at the time were you? On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:03 PM, wrote: > JESSE > iT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TURBULANCE.. IF IT HAD BEEN > SOMETHING ON THE PLANE YOU WOULD KNOW. > RICH > > Hi Rich, > > Ha good to hear from you! Thanks for the reply. Something like this is so > unusual that it makes one wonder what it might be. Good to know that it is > not others experience as well. Thanks again. > > Jesse > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:27 PM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: bump Hi Jesse, - It sounds like you hit wake turbulence-from something big.- It can get pretty violent.- You might want to look at the Denver arrival charts and see if you were under any of the arrivals.- Denver approach usually keeps us right on the arrivals and they slow us down when we get around 30 miles from DEN so we're clean and slow which makes for maximum wake. - Scott- - - - --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Richard Trickel wrote: From: Richard Trickel Subject: KIS-List: Re: bump Jesse One time over new mexico I hit turbulance so bad and instantanious that the oil stick popped off the engine.- Probably lasted 2 seconds but my head still hurts. Rich --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Flyinisfun@aol.com wrote: From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: turbulance JESSE iT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TURBULANCE.. IF IT HAD BEEN SO METHING ON THE PLANE YOU WOULD KNOW. RICH - Hi Rich, - Ha good to hear from you!- Thanks for the reply.- Something like this i s so unusual that it makes one wonder what it might be.- Good to know tha t it is not others experience as well.-Thanks again. - -- Jesse =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:17 PM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Electrical connectors Hi Mike, - I used Amp CPC connectors, series 1.- My philosophy was that everything s hould have a quick disconnect connector on it.- Landing lights, fuel send ers, trim servos, etc.- I also have a 16 pin connector at-each wing roo t and six 16 pin connectors between the instrument panel and fuselage so I can remove the panel easily which I've had to do a lot more times then I ev er thought I would.- I also put bellcrank bearings on the panel so it can fold down which has made things much, much easier. - www.mouser.com has them.- It's a bit hard to find them on the website, bu t if you click on the catalog tab and look on page 1288 they are there.- - I attached a picture of what I did. - For me the electrical stuff seemed overwhelming initailly, but it ended up being the most fun part of the project.- - I got pretty much everything electrical from mouser or http://www.bandc.biz / - The military surplus places have great deals on wire sometimes.- Don't bu y anything electrical-from aircraft spruce.- They don't even spool the wire. - Cheers, Scott --- On Thu, 2/25/10, Mike Pienaar wrote: From: Mike Pienaar Subject: KIS-List: Electrical connectors Hi All, - What type of connectors do I use when connecting to things such as the fuel pump and the fuel level senders. - Regards - Mike =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:43 PM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Gas springs for doors I was having to replace the original Gas springs every year or two. A fellow builder told me he recharged his. I found a piece of steel pipe and two end caps and put a Schrader valve on one end. I put some thick goo on the threads and filled it compressed air and checked it for leaks, I found some leaks and tightened the caps more, no leaks. I then filled the pipe with Nitrogen, from my brothers bottle that he uses to fill the struts on his Bonanza. It worked great! I haven't had to re fill them in the past three years. Tim N52TY ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:10 PM Subject: KIS-List: Gas springs for doors Hello all... I've been looking for a set of replacement gas springs for my 2-place and finally found them. The company does not normally stock this size, but their canadian distributor has them in stock right now. They're called Normont Systems, 1-800-465-3678. They were just over $50 for a pair delivered. Part number is NSE400V20CE. I'd recommend ordering a pair now as the minimum order is 100 if they don't have them in stock and they normally don't stock this part number according to the sales guy. Cheers, Scott ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:45 PM PST US From: Flyinisfun@aol.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: bump Thanks for the comment Scott, I would have been about half way between Centennial and the flight path into DIA at about 7500 ft. There was a front moving through that day and I wonder if that might have had something to do with it. Any way I put the new with fillets on my plane and wanted to make sure that wasn't the culprit. Since no one else has had the problem I suppose that could have been it. I can certainly attest to the fact that this is one whale of a strong spar to have survived that. I'm glad I wasn't in one of those others that are loosing wings. Jesse Hi Jesse, It sounds like you hit wake turbulence from something big. It can get pretty violent. You might want to look at the Denver arrival charts and see if you were under any of the arrivals. Denver approach usually keeps us right on the arrivals and they slow us down when we get around 30 miles from DEN so we're clean and slow which makes for maximum wake. 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