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1. 09:06 AM - Re: local show (Richard Trickel)
2. 09:52 AM - first flight video (Scott Stearns)
3. 09:52 AM - Re: Chase Plane (Scott Stearns)
4. 10:02 AM - KIS IT-1 Aerodynamics ()
5. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: local show (Kenneth Philcox)
6. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: local show (Richard Trickel)
7. 02:01 PM - AW: first flight video (Ralf Twellmann)
8. 03:33 PM - Re: AW: first flight video (Scott Stearns)
9. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: local show (Galin Hernandez)
10. 08:36 PM - KIS TR-1 Nose Gear Heat Treat ()
11. 10:22 PM - Re: KIS CRUISER FOR SALE (Scott Stearns)
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Hi All
just a short note.- This last week I spent at the EAD show in Brasil wher
e the company I work for Introduced their new plane called the Volare.- T
he plane was a mock up but we are working on the molds and will start produ
cing parts soon.- Its a fourplace that is a big departure from the KiS Cr
uiser.--Larger and more aerodynamic looking.- When somebody uploads a
picture on my computer I will send it along.-It generated a lot of inter
est.
Experimental aviation here is pretty big with a lot of local LSA type being
designed and built and one high wing four place that I saw.- here their
experimental catagory is very simular to the states but most planes are bui
lt by builder assist companies.- They have several that are relativly big
and also set up booths at the show.- The EAD show is a four day event wi
th the first days for just businesses and then the normal population.- Th
e show was held on the field where Embrear manufactures some of their bugge
r planes so the participated also. They flew their EMB 195 and several othe
rs including the Phenom 100 and 300 There was quite a turnout.- They had
airshows Sat. & Sunday.
Rich
--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Seeing Matronics List Attachments
OC, you can shrink the display of the picture-by holding the control key
down and pressing the minus key a couple of times.-(This works in Firefox
and I assume other browsers.)-Of course the accompanying text will shrin
k also.- It looks like the device is about 6-8 inches in front of the lea
ding edge of the tail and the device itself is about 6-8 inches long.- Am
I guessing right on the sizing?- LarryOn 6/21/2010 4:53:24 AM, bakerocb@
cox.net wrote:
> 6/21/2010
>
> Hello Fellow KIS Listers, I wrote: " PS: There is sort of a gotcha. I pos
ted
> a jpg picture on the KIS list (see here I hope):
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=71560
> >
> > and the picture posted just fine except that its layout on the forum wa
s
> > so huge such that one had to scroll all over the place to find the area
of
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| Subject: | first flight video |
Here's a link to a video of my first flight...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IreocvohQBA
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Hi OC,
-
A copy of that DVD would be great...
-
Scott Stearns
343 Paseo Sabanero
Camarillo, CA- 93012
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Thanks,
Scott
--- On Sun, 6/20/10, bakerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
From: bakerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Chase Plane
6/20/2010
Hello Scott, You wrote: "I had the option of a chase plane for my first fli
ght and elected not to use it."
Good move.
I made another attempt to create a viewable copy of the Julian Bone KIS TR-
1 airflow tuft testing DVD tonight and I think that I have succeeded. If yo
u will email me your snail mail address I will mail that copy to you.
If you have a problem viewing it -- I used Windows Media viewer -- email me
and if needed we'll get together by phone and see if we can not make it vi
ewable to you.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Stearns" <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Chase Plane
I hear you... My dad used to do airshows in the 70s and 80s with a group of
T-6's and had a lot of formation time. I learned a lot from him. When I sa
y 'chase plane' I'm thinking of something piloted by one of the professiona
l test pilots I used to work with out at Scaled Composites. I had the optio
n of a chase plane for my first flight and elected not to use it.
Scott
===========
From: bakerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net>
Subject: KIS-List: Chase Plane
6/20/2010
Hello Scott, You wrote: "...... when I have a chase plane......"
I have many flight hours instructing formation flight, and quite a few hour
s flying formation in air shows and chasing newbie pilots in single seat ai
rcraft.
Any time I read the words: "formation flying", "chase plane", "air to air p
hotography" or the like my warning flags start fluttering rapidly in the br
eeze. Here are two of the accidents that come floating by in that breeze:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 060209X00189&key=1
http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/XB-70_crash_site.htm
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| Subject: | KIS IT-1 Aerodynamics |
6/22/2010
Hello Larry, You wrote:
1) "With that information, I am guessing that would be placed them about
four inches in front of the wing and a little above the extended chord line,
right?"
You can see the placement of these vortex generators on Cirrus airplanes by
going to this web site and watching closely as the pictures flow by:
http://cirrusaircraft.com/
They are definitely placed well below a forward extended wing chord line.
Remember that they are supposed to do their job at higher angles of attack.
2) "......... solve the problem ......." and "........ a perfect solution
........ "
There are two separate, but somewhat interrelated problems, as far as I can
tell, that don't lend themselves to just one solution:
A) Inadequate pitch authority from a too small elevator -- to be solved or
improved by making the elevator larger and / or vortex generators on the
lower side of the horizontal stabilizer.
B) An intermittent burble flowing back to the horizontal tail surfaces from
the pinched in wing to fuselage juncture. To be solved by a larger radius
juncture or vortex generators mounted on the fuselage.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry David" <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Seeing Matronics List Attachments
OC, With that information, I am guessing that would be placed them about
four inches in front of the wing and a little above the extended chord line,
right? It will be interesting to hear how they work. I hope they solve the
problem once and for all. I believe this would be the fourth possible
soultion: 1) extended elevator, 2) 8" radius on wing fairing, 3) small
vortex generators on under side of the elevator, and 4) the four inch vortex
generator on side of fuselage. There has to be a perfect solution among
these. I wish Vance Jaqua were alive to enjoy the work everyone is doing on
the low speed stability problem. He would enjoy this. He was very
impressed with Julian Bone's fairing solution. The vortex solutions seem
easier to accomplish. Makes me wish I still had my KIS so I could play
with these solutions. Keep up the good work guys. Larry
=====================================================
On 6/21/2010 8:21:14 PM, bakerocb@cox.net wrote:
> 6/21/2010
>
> Hello Larry, Thanks for the picture tip.
>
> These vortex generators go on each side of the fuselage in front of the
> wing. Their purpose is to generate higher energy air in the area of the
> wing
> to fuselage juncture.
>
> They are more on the order of 4 inches long -- that is all the aluminum
> angle that I had available.
>
> Take a look at the ones on the Cirrus airplanes to see what I am trying to
>
> replicate.
>
> 'OC'
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Hi Rich! Im glad to see you still have your hand in. I have been flying
my Kis for 15 years now and am still around, however my daughter just
bent the original nose gear thus my question . I am rebuilding the nose
gear I am going to larger tubing but need to know how hard did you make
the original. I have all the specs but that one.
Ken Philcox
N496KP
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Trickel
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:42 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: local show
Hi All
just a short note. This last week I spent at the EAD show in
Brasil where the company I work for Introduced their new plane called
the Volare. The plane was a mock up but we are working on the molds and
will start producing parts soon. Its a fourplace that is a big
departure from the KiS Cruiser. Larger and more aerodynamic looking.
When somebody uploads a picture on my computer I will send it along. It
generated a lot of interest.
Experimental aviation here is pretty big with a lot of local LSA
type being designed and built and one high wing four place that I saw.
here their experimental catagory is very simular to the states but most
planes are built by builder assist companies. They have several that
are relativly big and also set up booths at the show. The EAD show is a
four day event with the first days for just businesses and then the
normal population. The show was held on the field where Embrear
manufactures some of their bugger planes so the participated also. They
flew their EMB 195 and several others including the Phenom 100 and 300
There was quite a turnout. They had airshows Sat. & Sunday.
Rich
--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Seeing Matronics List Attachments
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:06 PM
OC, you can shrink the display of the picture by holding the
control key down and pressing the minus key a couple of times. (This
works in Firefox and I assume other browsers.) Of course the
accompanying text will shrink also. It looks like the device is about
6-8 inches in front of the leading edge of the tail and the device
itself is about 6-8 inches long. Am I guessing right on the sizing?
Larry
On 6/21/2010 4:53:24 AM, bakerocb@cox.net wrote:
> 6/21/2010
>
> Hello Fellow KIS Listers, I wrote: " PS: There is sort of a
gotcha. I posted
> a jpg picture on the KIS list (see here I hope):
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=71560
> >
> > and the picture posted just fine except that its layout on
the forum was
> > so huge such that one had to scroll all over the place to
find the area of
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Ken
Time really flies and your daughter is old enough to fly.- Congrats to he
r. I remember when she was born.- Hope the family is all well.- I do no
t know what gear you have so we better start there.- If you have the orig
inal tube gear without shock it seems it was heat treated to a rockwell 70.
- the later spring/shock gears were not heat treated.- The airfoil tube
gear had stiffners added to the sides but again not heated.- let me know
Rich
--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Kenneth Philcox <ken757@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Kenneth Philcox <ken757@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: local show
Hi Rich! Im glad to see you still have your hand in. I have been flying my
Kis for 15 years now and am still around, however my daughter just bent the
original nose gear thus my question . I am rebuilding the nose gear I am g
oing to larger tubing but need to know how hard did you make the original.
I have all the specs but that one.
Ken Philcox
N496KP
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Trickel
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:42 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: local show
Hi All
just a short note.- This last week I spent at the EAD show in Brasil wher
e the company I work for Introduced their new plane called the Volare.- T
he plane was a mock up but we are working on the molds and will start produ
cing parts soon.- Its a fourplace that is a big departure from the KiS Cr
uiser.--Larger and more aerodynamic looking.- When somebody uploads a
picture on my computer I will send it along.-It generated a lot of inter
est.
Experimental aviation here is pretty big with a lot of local LSA type being
designed and built and one high wing four place that I saw.- here their
experimental catagory is very simular to the states but most planes are bui
lt by builder assist companies.- They have several that are relativly big
and also set up booths at the show.- The EAD show is a four day event wi
th the first days for just businesses and then the normal population.- Th
e show was held on the field where Embrear manufactures some of their bugge
r planes so the participated also. They flew their EMB 195 and several othe
rs including the Phenom 100 and 300 There was quite a turnout.- They had
airshows Sat. & Sunday.
Rich
--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Seeing Matronics List Attachments
OC, you can shrink the display of the picture-by holding the control key
down and pressing the minus key a couple of times.-(This works in Firefox
and I assume other browsers.)-Of course the accompanying text will shrin
k also.- It looks like the device is about 6-8 inches in front of the lea
ding edge of the tail and the device itself is about 6-8 inches long.- Am
I guessing right on the sizing?- LarryOn 6/21/2010 4:53:24 AM, bakerocb@
cox.net wrote:
> 6/21/2010
>
> Hello Fellow KIS Listers, I wrote: " PS: There is sort of a gotcha. I pos
ted
> a jpg picture on the KIS list (see here I hope):
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=71560
> >
> > and the picture posted just fine except that its layout on the forum wa
s
> > so huge such that one had to scroll all over the place to find the area
of
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| Subject: | first flight video |
Hi Scott,
congratulations from Germany and always safe flights.
I have the IO-240/ 125 hp engine in my taildragger and I would really
like to try how it feels to
have 100 hp more.
Best regards,
Ralf Twellmann
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Stearns
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 09:38
An: kis-list@matronics.com
Betreff: KIS-List: first flight video
Here's a link to a video of my first flight...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IreocvohQBA
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| Subject: | Re: first flight video |
Thanks Ralf.
-
I probably wasn't making much more than 125 HP on that flight since I had t
he power pulled pretty far back-due to the engine running hot.- I shoul
d be done with cooling fixes this week and go for another flight next week
hopefully with a well cooled engine.
-
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Ralf Twellmann <ralf.twellmann@t-online.de> wrote:
From: Ralf Twellmann <ralf.twellmann@t-online.de>
Subject: AW: KIS-List: first flight video
Hi Scott,
-
congratulations from Germany and always safe flights.
I have the IO-240/ 125 hp engine in my taildragger and I would really like
to try how it feels to
have 100 hp more.
-
Best regards,
-
Ralf Twellmann
-
-
-
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onics.com] Im Auftrag von Scott Stearns
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juni 2010 09:38
An: kis-list@matronics.com
Betreff: KIS-List: first flight video
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Here's a link to a video of my first flight...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IreocvohQBA
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We need photo's! :o)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Richard Trickel
<richard_trickel@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Hi All
> just a short note. This last week I spent at the EAD show in Brasil where
> the company I work for Introduced their new plane called the Volare. The
> plane was a mock up but we are working on the molds and will start producing
> parts soon. Its a fourplace that is a big departure from the KiS
> Cruiser. Larger and more aerodynamic looking. When somebody uploads a
> picture on my computer I will send it along. It generated a lot of interest.
> Experimental aviation here is pretty big with a lot of local LSA type being
> designed and built and one high wing four place that I saw. here their
> experimental catagory is very simular to the states but most planes are
> built by builder assist companies. They have several that are relativly big
> and also set up booths at the show. The EAD show is a four day event with
> the first days for just businesses and then the normal population. The show
> was held on the field where Embrear manufactures some of their bugger planes
> so the participated also. They flew their EMB 195 and several others
> including the Phenom 100 and 300 There was quite a turnout. They had
> airshows Sat. & Sunday.
> Rich
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 6/21/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Seeing Matronics List Attachments
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:06 PM
>
> OC, you can shrink the display of the picture by holding the control key
> down and pressing the minus key a couple of times. (This works in Firefox
> and I assume other browsers.) Of course the accompanying text will shrink
> also. It looks like the device is about 6-8 inches in front of the leading
> edge of the tail and the device itself is about 6-8 inches long. Am I
> guessing right on the sizing? Larry
> On 6/21/2010 4:53:24 AM, bakerocb@cox.net<http://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bakerocb@cox.net>wrote:
> > 6/21/2010
> >
> > Hello Fellow KIS Listers, I wrote: " PS: There is sort of a gotcha. I
> posted
> > a jpg picture on the KIS list (see here I hope):
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=71560
> > >
> > > and the picture posted just fine except that its layout on the forum
> was
> > > so huge such that one had to scroll all over the place to find the area
> of
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | KIS TR-1 Nose Gear Heat Treat |
6/22/2010
Hello Ken, Rich wrote: "........ the later spring/shock gears were not heat
treated."
Just wanted to let you know that when Lyle Hendricks converted my airfoil
shaped spring / shock nose gear strut to a round tube that it was heat
treated on 11/14/01.
It went through: Normalize at 1650 degrees; Autenitie** at 1575 degrees; and
Temper at 1050 degrees. Rockwell C hardness was 28-31.
Please see the attached picture.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
**PS: My knowledge of heat treatment is pretty limited. This term may really
be austenite as austenitie is something fairly exotic. Maybe Lyle can
clarify this.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Trickel" <richard_trickel@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Re: local show
Ken
Time really flies and your daughter is old enough to fly. Congrats to her. I
remember when she was born. Hope the family is all well. I do not know what
gear you have so we better start there. If you have the original tube gear
without shock it seems it was heat treated to a rockwell 70. the later
spring/shock gears were not heat treated. The airfoil tube gear had
stiffners added to the sides but again not heated. let me know
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: KIS CRUISER FOR SALE |
Hi Ted,
-
Sorry to hear you have to sell.
-
If it were me, I'd sell the engine separately from the airframe.--The e
ngine-alone is a lot easier to sell (I'd put it on the RV website)-and
it's probably most of the value of the project.- If you happen to-have
a Garmin SL-40 radio I might be interested in it.- What avionics do you h
ave?
-
Cheers,
Scott
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From: ted scott <teds532@wk.net>
Subject: KIS-List: KIS CRUISER FOR SALE
I HAVE A KIS TR4 SUPER CRUISER FOR SALE WITH A NEW MATTITUCK XP360 ENGINE A
ND FADEC SYSTEM.SOME AVINICS AND INSTRUMENTS.KIT WAS A FAST BUILD KIT AND I
S NOW ABOUT 65% FINISHED.IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED BY AN EAA DAR.I HAVE MANY OT
HER OPTIONS.INCLUDING- ELECTRIC FLATS AND TRIM,THREE- STROBE LIGHTS.CES
SNA RUDDER PEDALS, NEW YOKE SYSTEM,HEAT AND AIR TO BACK SEAT. I HAVE-ALL
CONSTRUCTION PHOTOS. THERE ARE SOME PHOTOS ON THE KIS LIST.SELLING BECAUSE
OF MEDICAL PROBLEMS,WILL-ACCEPT ANY REASONABLE OFFER.-PHONE TED SCOTT 7
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