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1. 04:37 AM - Re: Oshkosh (Robert Anderson)
2. 07:47 AM - VG's for a propeller (Galin Hernandez)
3. 11:08 AM - Re: VG's for a propeller (Scott Stearns)
4. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: KIS TR-1 MAIN GEAR LOCATION (F. Tim Yoder)
5. 11:41 AM - Re: VG's for a propeller (F. Tim Yoder)
6. 12:22 PM - Re: VG's for a propeller (Scott Stearns)
7. 02:41 PM - Re: VG's for a propeller (F. Tim Yoder)
8. 04:30 PM - Re: VG's for a propeller (Randy Ott)
9. 06:11 PM - Re: Oshkosh (kent pyle)
10. 06:22 PM - Re: VG's for a propeller (kent pyle)
11. 06:22 PM - Re: VG's for a propeller (kent pyle)
12. 06:23 PM - Re: VG's for a propeller (kent pyle)
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Hi Kent
The Friday I am referring to is 7 - 30 - 10
Hope to see you there.
-
Bob A
--- On Sat, 7/10/10, kent pyle <kentpyle@iland.net> wrote:
From: kent pyle <kentpyle@iland.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Oshkosh
Bob, I should be there Friday afternoon before the event starts.- They ha
ve been parking me near the homebuild registration building the past three
years, so I think they probably park you in the same area.- 11 for lunch
sounds great.- In the past it has sometimes taken me a little longer to g
et there than eleven AM, so if I don't call you will know-I am in weather
some where and we can try again on Saturday.- Kent---
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Anderson
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:00 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Oshkosh
Hi Guys
Anyone going to Oshkosh ?
I am going to be there Friday & Saturday. If anyone wants to get together w
e could meet at the Home-builders building ( same place you register your p
lane ) for a some hangar flying and maybe some lunch. I would suggest 11:00
AM. I can be reached at Oshkosh on my cell 507-779-1182 between now and th
en Work 507-386-7817 Home 504-387-5955
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| Subject: | VG's for a propeller |
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
I refuse to put something that ugly on my beautiful polished carbon fiber p
rince prop.-
-
It might work though.- Do a search on laminar separation bubbles.- That
's what they are looking at.- Some sailplane guys put that kind of thing
on their wings.- I would think that it's better to put the tape just prio
r to the pont of max thickness so you get some laminar flow on the leading
edge.-
-
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: KIS TR-1 MAIN GEAR LOCATION |
Hello 'OC', ( for the spread sheet )
My empty CG location is 60.17
My typical landing weight is 1360# with CG at 64.80
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
<ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Re: KIS TR-1 MAIN GEAR LOCATION
> 7/9/2010
>
> Hello Tim, You wrote:
>
> 1) "I re measured my axle to station 32 and it is 41.75".
>
> I have entered 41.75 inches in the appropriate place in the attached
> latest
> version of the spread sheet.
>
> 2) "Do you think other input would be helpful."
>
> I am open to suggestions -- maybe basic empty weight CG location -- I've
> added mine. But actual CG location at the time of a maneuver would be of
> more value.
>
> 3) "Maybe the static weight of each wheel?"
>
> I don't see how. If we are trying to evaluate the "rotatability factor" on
> takeoff or the "nose tire touch down factor" on landing then the exact
> location of the airplane's CG at that moment would seem to be of more
> value
> for comparison purposes. But pitch trim setting and piloting technique
> would
> seem to be major and difficult to quantify factors in such a comparison.
>
> 4) "Do you or Mark think I would benefit by moving main gear forward?"
>
> Only if your "rotatability factor" or "nose tire touch down factor" are
> really annoying you. Wedging the main landing gear forward on a completed
> airplane would be a fairly significant modification under taking.
>
> 5) "Thanks for your efforts."
>
> You are welcome.
>
> 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort
> to
> gather and understand knowledge."
>
> ======================================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
> To: <bakerocb@cox.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS TR-1 MAIN GEAR LOCATION
>
>
>> 'OC',
>>
>> I re measured my axle to station 32 and it is 41.75". My previous
>> number
>> was to the front of the firewall.. So far your 40.25" measurement is the
>> shortest and on first blush I would think you would have the leas problem
>> with nose wheel drop.
>>
>> Hopefully we will get more participation for a better analysis.
>>
>> Do you think other input would be helpful. Maybe the static weight of
>> each
>> wheel?
>>
>> Do you or Mark think I would benefit by moving main gear forward?
>>
>> Maybe Rich has a thought to share.
>>
>> Thanks for your efforts. It is fun to talk KIS!!!
>>
>> Tim
>
> ======================================================
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
>> To: "BAKER, OWEN" <bakerocb@cox.net>; "ERSTAD, HANS-CHRISTIAN"
>> <hans-chr.erstad@c2i.net>; <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>; "Kettering, Mark"
>> <mantafs@earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:31 AM
>> Subject: KIS TR-1 MAIN GEAR LOCATION
>>
>>
>>> 7/9/2010
>>>
>>> Hello Fellow KIS TR-1 Builders, As promised attached here is a spread
>>> sheet
>>> on the data that I have available on KIS TR-1 main landing gear
>>> location.
>>>
>>> It was assembled from data that you provided. Please check it over for
>>> any
>>> misinterpretations or miscalculations that I may have made and let me
>>> know
>>> of any corrections or expansions needed.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort
>>> to
>>> gather and understand knowledge."
>>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
Scott,
How is your testing going?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
I refuse to put something that ugly on my beautiful polished
carbon fiber prince prop.
It might work though. Do a search on laminar separation
bubbles. That's what they are looking at. Some sailplane guys put that
kind of thing on their wings. I would think that it's better to put the
tape just prior to the pont of max thickness so you get some laminar
flow on the leading edge.
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 7:46 AM
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
It's going well.- My main problem is high oil temps.- I opened up the c
ooling exit and added a fixed cowl flap and the CHTs are good now.- One o
f my exhaust pipes runs close to the oil sump which may be heating the oil.
- The engine also only has 6 or 7 hours on it at flight power so the oil
temp may come down with some more time on the engine.- My pitch forces se
em to be a lot better than the original with my wider chord elevator.
-
I'm getting 130 KIAS at about 110-120 HP without wheel pants.
-
Scott
-
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
Scott,
-
How is your testing going?
-
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
I refuse to put something that ugly on my beautiful polished carbon fiber p
rince prop.-
-
It might work though.- Do a search on laminar separation bubbles.- That
's what they are looking at.- Some sailplane guys put that kind of thing
on their wings.- I would think that it's better to put the tape just prio
r to the pont of max thickness so you get some laminar flow on the leading
edge.-
-
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
Scott,
More brake in time could help bring the oil temp. down. Although, as you
go to higher power settings you will make more heat, as I know you know.
A couple of years ago I was talking to a Stewart Warner rep about a more
efficient oil cooler / heat exchanger, of a similar size as the one I
have, in order to make a switch easier. He asked me if mine was a single
or dual pass. Of course I didn't know. After checking it out, it is a
single pass, of course. They do make a dual pass that is very close to
the same physical size and much better at cooling. Something you might
consider if you haven't all ready.
I am near Phoenix, AZ and oil cooling is a problem in the summer. I
think I recall that you are in CA, if so then that isn't as bad.
I think we are all interested to hear what your max speed / cruise
speeds are! (SUPER KIS)
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
It's going well. My main problem is high oil temps. I opened
up the cooling exit and added a fixed cowl flap and the CHTs are good
now. One of my exhaust pipes runs close to the oil sump which may be
heating the oil. The engine also only has 6 or 7 hours on it at flight
power so the oil temp may come down with some more time on the engine.
My pitch forces seem to be a lot better than the original with my wider
chord elevator.
I'm getting 130 KIAS at about 110-120 HP without wheel pants.
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
wrote:
From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 11:40 AM
Scott,
How is your testing going?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
I refuse to put something that ugly on my beautiful
polished carbon fiber prince prop.
It might work though. Do a search on laminar
separation bubbles. That's what they are looking at. Some sailplane
guys put that kind of thing on their wings. I would think that it's
better to put the tape just prior to the pont of max thickness so you
get some laminar flow on the leading edge.
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Galin Hernandez
<galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 7:46 AM
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a
propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
I have installed this ..... I didn't see much difference.
Randy 96bt
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 11, 2010, at 11:40 AM, "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
wrote:
> Scott,
>
> How is your testing going?
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Stearns
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
>
> I refuse to put something that ugly on my beautiful polished carbon
fiber prince prop.
>
> It might work though. Do a search on laminar separation bubbles.
That's what they are looking at. Some sailplane guys put that kind of
thing on their wings. I would think that it's better to put the tape
just prior to the pont of max thickness so you get some laminar flow on
the leading edge.
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>
> --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 7:46 AM
>
> Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a propeller?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
>
> Galin
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Bob, that Friday will work out fine! My cell phone number is
66-351-2420 Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Anderson
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Oshkosh
Hi Kent
The Friday I am referring to is 7 - 30 - 10
Hope to see you there.
Bob A
--- On Sat, 7/10/10, kent pyle <kentpyle@iland.net> wrote:
From: kent pyle <kentpyle@iland.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Oshkosh
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 5:55 PM
Bob, I should be there Friday afternoon before the event
starts. They have been parking me near the homebuild registration
building the past three years, so I think they probably park you in the
same area. 11 for lunch sounds great. In the past it has sometimes
taken me a little longer to get there than eleven AM, so if I don't call
you will know I am in weather some where and we can try again on
Saturday. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Anderson
To: kisbuilders
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:00 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Oshkosh
Hi Guys
Anyone going to Oshkosh ?
I am going to be there Friday & Saturday. If anyone
wants to get together we could meet at the Home-builders building ( same
place you register your plane ) for a some hangar flying and maybe some
lunch. I would suggest 11:00 AM. I can be reached at Oshkosh on my cell
507-779-1182 between now and then Work 507-386-7817 Home 504-387-5955
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
Yes, Galin, I have been using them for about a year. I can not give
concrete proof as the engine was being broken in when I first installed
them. At the time I thought I got and additional 50 rpm but would not
even try to defend that number. It is too easy to adjust the throttle,
altitude, temperature, etc to say exactly what the increase was. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Galin Hernandez
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
Scott, the VG is a strip of plastic that is cut in a zig-zag pattern
about 6-8 long on each blade installed just outside of the spinner. It
is not noticable on my Prince prop. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
I refuse to put something that ugly on my beautiful polished
carbon fiber prince prop.
It might work though. Do a search on laminar separation
bubbles. That's what they are looking at. Some sailplane guys put that
kind of thing on their wings. I would think that it's better to put the
tape just prior to the pont of max thickness so you get some laminar
flow on the leading edge.
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 7:46 AM
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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| Subject: | Re: VG's for a propeller |
Scott, I cut a piece of alumium sheet and used radiator hose clamps to
mount it so it would shield the oil pan from the exhaust. Seems to
work. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
It's going well. My main problem is high oil temps. I opened
up the cooling exit and added a fixed cowl flap and the CHTs are good
now. One of my exhaust pipes runs close to the oil sump which may be
heating the oil. The engine also only has 6 or 7 hours on it at flight
power so the oil temp may come down with some more time on the engine.
My pitch forces seem to be a lot better than the original with my wider
chord elevator.
I'm getting 130 KIAS at about 110-120 HP without wheel pants.
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
wrote:
From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 11:40 AM
Scott,
How is your testing going?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
I refuse to put something that ugly on my beautiful
polished carbon fiber prince prop.
It might work though. Do a search on laminar
separation bubbles. That's what they are looking at. Some sailplane
guys put that kind of thing on their wings. I would think that it's
better to put the tape just prior to the pont of max thickness so you
get some laminar flow on the leading edge.
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Galin Hernandez
<galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: VG's for a propeller
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 7:46 AM
Has anybody used or know about these VG's for a
propeller?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/1Vortelator.pdf
Galin
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