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1. 06:05 AM - First European KIS-Meeting in Germany (Twellmann, Ralf)
2. 06:13 AM - First European KIS-Meeting in Germany (Twellmann, Ralf)
3. 06:23 AM - WG: First European KIS-Meeting in Germany (Twellmann, Ralf)
4. 11:52 AM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Bill Schertz)
5. 12:52 PM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Galin Hernandez)
6. 01:06 PM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Scott Stearns)
7. 01:24 PM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Richard Trickel)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Galin Hernandez)
9. 02:02 PM - Re: [QUAR] Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Conners, Jerry L)
10. 02:50 PM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Robert Reed)
11. 09:57 PM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Larry David)
12. 11:04 PM - Re: [QUAR] Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Scott Stearns)
13. 11:46 PM - Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down (Jason Hills)
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Subject: | First European KIS-Meeting in Germany |
Hello,
last weekend the first European KIS meeting took place in Rinteln (EDVR)
/ Germany.
Hans Christian Erstad from Norway who flew his KIS from Oslo to Berlin
had the idea to
stop at Rinteln on his way back and spend the weekend there. We also
asked Keith Miller
who lives in Amsterdam /Netherlands approx. 1 hour flight away from
Rinteln and he spontaneously agreed
to stop by.
So we had a nice weekend with KIS flying and interesting discussions.
Ralf Twellmann / KIS 104
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Subject: | First European KIS-Meeting in Germany |
Hello,
last weekend the first European KIS meeting took place in Rinteln (EDVR)
/ Germany.
Hans Christian Erstad from Norway who flew his KIS from Oslo to Berlin
had the idea to
stop at Rinteln on his way back and spend the weekend there. We also
asked Keith Miller
who lives in Amsterdam /Netherlands approx. 1 hour flight away from
Rinteln and he spontaneously agreed
to stop by.
So we had a nice weekend with KIS flying and interesting discussions.
Ralf Twellmann / KIS 104
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Subject: | WG: First European KIS-Meeting in Germany |
Hello,
last weekend the first European KIS meeting took place in Rinteln (EDVR)
/ Germany.
Hans Christian Erstad from Norway who flew his KIS from Oslo to Berlin
had the idea to
stop at Rinteln on his way back and spend the weekend there. We also
asked Keith Miller
who lives in Amsterdam /Netherlands approx. 1 hour flight away from
Rinteln and he spontaneously agreed
to stop by.
So we had a nice weekend with KIS flying and interesting discussions.
Ralf Twellmann / KIS 104
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Subject: | Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't
heard that he sold it, but must have.
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4
manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near
Denton Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital
in Dallas for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who
was flying or on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with
only the tail section appearing to be in tact.
>From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp
in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the
area.
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time
please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
Bob Reed
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) -
A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a
mile south of Denton Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A
husband and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter
to Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an
"experimental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at
about 7:12 p.m. from that airport.
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but
could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power in the wind and
plummeted to the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section
of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was
the demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash.
Debris from the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all
directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what
caused the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of
aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane -
they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental,"
trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing
with."
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Subject: | Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
Especially when they make a comment like:
*A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may
have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft -
maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then
it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been
what we are dealing with."*
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net> wrote:
> I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't
> heard that he sold it, but must have.
>
> Sad, hate to see these things happen.
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase I testing
>
> *From:* Robert Reed <robertr237@att.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
>
> Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4
> manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton
> Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas
> for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or
> on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail
> section appearing to be in tact.
>
> From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in
> Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area.
>
> [image: KTVT / KTXA]
>
> I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time
> please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
>
> Bob Reed
>
>
> DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) --
> A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a
> mile south of Denton<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_>Municipal
Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and
wife were on board
> and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe
> burns.
>
> John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental
> two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. from
> that airport<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_>
> .
>
> The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but
> could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_>in
the wind and plummeted
to the ground.
>
> At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of
> the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the
> demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from
> the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
>
> Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused
> the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft
> it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
>
> "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they
> put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper
> Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
>
> *
>
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Subject: | Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
I wouldn't blame the trooper.=C2- The newspaper reporter could have done
5 minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person st
anding next to them.=C2-
=C2-
Scott
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Especially when they make a comment like:
=C2-
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may
have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - m
aybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it'
s labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been wh
at we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
=C2-
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
=C2-
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net> wrote:
I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't hea
rd that he sold it, but must have.
=C2-
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
=C2-
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas:=C2- An Experimental Aircraft - TR
-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Dento
n Texas.=C2- Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in D
allas for treatment of injuries.=C2- No additional information on who was
flying or on-board.=C2- The plane was totally destroyed by fire with onl
y the tail section appearing to be in tact.
=C2-
>From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in
Carrollton Texas.=C2- I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the are
a.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time pl
ease keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
=C2-
Bob Reed
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) -
A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile
south of Denton Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and w
ife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hos
pital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental
two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. fro
m that airport.
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but coul
d not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power in the wind and plummeted to
the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of t
he field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demol
ished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the p
lane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused t
he crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft i
t was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they
put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lon
ny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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Subject: | Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
To All
I did not know mr Culp but my sincer condolances go out to him and his fami
ly.. I read that his wif passed away at the hospital afterwords but cannot
confirm this.
Rich
Yep that is our news service today
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
I wouldn't blame the trooper.=C2- The newspaper reporter could have done
5 minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person st
anding next to them.=C2-
=C2-
Scott
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Especially when they make a comment like:
=C2-
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may
have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - m
aybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it'
s labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been wh
at we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
=C2-
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
=C2-
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net> wrote:
I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't hea
rd that he sold it, but must have.
=C2-
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
=C2-
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas:=C2- An Experimental Aircraft - TR
-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Dento
n Texas.=C2- Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in D
allas for treatment of injuries.=C2- No additional information on who was
flying or on-board.=C2- The plane was totally destroyed by fire with onl
y the tail section appearing to be in tact.
=C2-
>From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in
Carrollton Texas.=C2- I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the are
a.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time pl
ease keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
=C2-
Bob Reed
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) -
A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile
south of Denton Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and w
ife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hos
pital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental
two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. fro
m that airport.
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but coul
d not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power in the wind and plummeted to
the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of t
he field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demol
ished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the p
lane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused t
he crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft i
t was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they
put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lon
ny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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Subject: | Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
True. Imagine that, a reporter in the US sacrificing accuracy for
sensationalism.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't blame the trooper. The newspaper reporter could have done 5
> minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person
> standing next to them.
>
> Scott
>
> --- On *Mon, 7/19/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:51 PM
>
> Especially when they make a comment like:
>
> *A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was
> may have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft
> - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then
> it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been
> what we are dealing with."*
> As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
>
> Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
>
> Galin
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net<http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wschertz@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
>> I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't
>> heard that he sold it, but must have.
>>
>> Sad, hate to see these things happen.
>>
>> Bill Schertz
>> KIS Cruiser #4045
>> N343BS
>> Phase I testing
>>
>> *From:* Robert Reed<http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robertr237@att.net>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
>> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kis-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
>>
>> Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4
>> manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton
>> Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas
>> for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or
>> on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail
>> section appearing to be in tact.
>>
>> From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp
>> in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area.
>>
>> [image: KTVT / KTXA]
>>
>> I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time
>> please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
>>
>> Bob Reed
>>
>>
>>
>> DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) --
>> A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a
>> mile south of Denton<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_>Municipal
Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and
wife were on board
>> and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe
>> burns.
>>
>> John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental
>> two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. from
>> that airport<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_>
>> .
>>
>> The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but
>> could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power<https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_>in
the wind and plummeted
to the ground.
>>
>> At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of
>> the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the
>> demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from
>> the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
>>
>> Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused
>> the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft
>> it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
>>
>> "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they
>> put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper
>> Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
>>
>> *
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Subject: | Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
I long ago gave up on expectations of accuracy from our so called=C2-"new
s" media.=C2- =0AThey are not in the business to report the facts but are
strictly in the =0Aentertainment business and clearly "entertainment" take
s many forms.=C2- I was =0Ahowever very disappointed in the Highway Patro
lman who was interviewed and =0Ademonstrated his ignorance of the subject w
ithout hesitation.=C2- When a trooper =0Amakes such statements they shoul
d be based on facts which was clearly not the =0Acase.=0A=0AWhat always inf
uriates me about the media coverage of aircraft accidents is how =0Athey ma
ke even the smallest accident into a major event.=C2- In this case, they
=0Amade the initial reports as "breaking" news that interrupted another pro
gram to =0Areport.=C2- It was the lead story on the 10PM news as well.=C2
- While I will not =0Adiminish the importance of this event to those of u
s in the flying community and =0Aespecially to fellow builders of this airc
raft, it was no more of a major story =0Athan other fatal accidents over th
e last 48 hours.=C2-=C2- It was however the only one =0Athat they repor
ted with such sensationalism.=C2- The same sensational reports have =0Abe
en issued even when the results have been nothing more than a bent landing
=0Agear and damaged prop.=0A=0AWe in the flying and especially the homebuil
ding community need to try and help =0Aput this in perspective before we se
e our privileges of flying taken from us in =0Aorder to protect us.=C2-
=0A=0A=0A:::::: Time to get off my soapbox :::::::::::=0A=0ABob=0A=0A=C2-
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Galin Hernandez <galin
hdz@gmail.com>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, July 19, 2010 3:37
:40 PM=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down=0A=0A=0ATrue.
Imagine that, a reporter in the US sacrificing=C2-accuracy for =0Asensat
ionalism.=0A=0AGalin=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stearns
<sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0AI wouldn't blame the trooper.=C2- The
newspaper reporter could have done 5 minutes =0Aworth of internet research,
but instead just quoted the person standing next to =0Athem.=C2- =0A=0A>
=0A>Scott=0A>=0A>--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>=0A>>Subject:
Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down =0A>>=0A>>To: kis-list@matronic
s.com=0A>>Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:51 PM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Especially wh
en they make a comment like:=0A>>=0A>>A Department of Public Safety trooper
said the type of aircraft it was may have =0A>>increased the risk of a cra
sh. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's =0A>>called a kit plan
e - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled =0A>>experimental
," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are =0A>>dealing
with."=0A>>=0A>>As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement li
ke that.=0A>>=0A>>Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.=0A>>=0A>>G
alin=0A>>=0A>>On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comca
st.net> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine
in his plane. Hadn't heard =0A>>that he sold it, but must have.=0A>>>=C2-
=0A>>>Sad, hate to see these things happen.=0A>>>=0A>>>Bill Schertz=0A>>>KI
S Cruiser #4045=0A>>>N343BS=0A>>>Phase I testing=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>From: Rob
ert Reed =0A>>>Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM=0A>>>To: kis-list@matro
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=0A>>>Reported on the news tonight in Dallas:=C2- An Experimental Aircraf
t - TR-4 =0A>>>manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashe
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land Hospital in Dallas for =0A>>>treatment of injuries.=C2- No additiona
l information on who was flying or =0A>>>on-board.=C2- The plane was tota
lly destroyed by fire with only the tail section =0A>>>appearing to be in t
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re was a KIS TR-4 in the area.=C2- =0A>>>=0A>>>=C2-=0A>>>KTVT / KTXA">
=0A>>>=0A>>>I will update as more information becomes available but in the
mean time please =0A>>>keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.=0A>>>
=0A>>>Bob Reed=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) -
=0A>>>A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about
a mile =0A>>>south of Denton Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A h
usband and wife =0A>>>were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopt
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The statement fails to recognice that the construction by a home builder is
usually superior then that by an assembly line worker since the builder ha
s a vested interest in making things perfect. Guess you can't expect a tro
uper to understand that subtle fact. You can check the registration on: ht
tp://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N767GW
Unfortunately, it does not say what engine. If it was a Subaru, the descri
ption sounds a little like the limp home mode feature that got my plane als
o got them. Everyone with a Subaru engine should have the ECU modified so
it can never enter the limp home mode. Sorry to read about it. My heart
goes out to those folks and their families. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Galin Hernandez
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Especially when they make a comment like:
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was ma
y have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft -
maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then i
t's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been
what we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net> wrot
e:
I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't
heard that he sold it, but must have.
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Subject: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-
4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton
Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas
for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or
on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail secti
on appearing to be in tact.
From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Cul
p in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean tim
e please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
Bob Reed
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) ?
A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about
a mile south of Denton Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband
and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkla
nd Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experim
ental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.
m. from that airport.
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, bu
t could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power in the wind and plumme
ted to the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard sectio
n of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the
demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from
the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what ca
used the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of airc
raft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane -
they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," troop
er Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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The parts are really scattered around.=C2- It doesn't look like a control
led off field landing.=C2- The factory TR-4 was landed in a=C2-muddy=C2
-field and it remained intact and was repaired.=C2- It looks like there
's fire damage on the wing root in the picture to me.=C2- Click on it to
see the full size one.=C2-
=C2-
I think I'm going to work on my fire bottle mount.=C2-
=C2-
Scott
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Conners, Jerry L <jconners@dot.state.nv.us> wrote:
From: Conners, Jerry L <jconners@dot.state.nv.us>
Subject: RE: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/drc/localnews/denton/stories/DRC_
Plane_crash_0719.152fe0fdf.html ... Denton article
=C2-
From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Trickel
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: [QUAR] Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Importance: Low
=C2-
To All
I did not know mr Culp but my sincer condolances go out to him and his fami
ly.. I read that his wif passed away at the hospital afterwords but cannot
confirm this.
Rich
Yep that is our news service today
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
I wouldn't blame the trooper.=C2- The newspaper reporter could have done
5 minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person st
anding next to them.=C2-
=C2-
Scott
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Especially when they make a comment like:
=C2-
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may
have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - m
aybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it'
s labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been wh
at we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
=C2-
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
=C2-
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net> wrote:
I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't hea
rd that he sold it, but must have.
=C2-
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
=C2-
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
=C2-
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
=C2-
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas:=C2- An Experimental Aircraft - TR
-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Dento
n Texas.=C2- Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in D
allas for treatment of injuries.=C2- No additional information on who was
flying or on-board.=C2- The plane was totally destroyed by fire with onl
y the tail section appearing to be in tact.
=C2-
>From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in
Carrollton Texas.=C2- I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the are
a.=C2-
=C2-
Error! Filename not specified.
=C2-
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time pl
ease keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
=C2-
Bob Reed
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) =C3=A2=82=AC=A2
A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile
south of DentonError! Filename not specified. Municipal Airport around 7:1
5 p.m. Sunday. A husband and wife were on board and transported by a CareFl
ite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental
two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. fro
m that airportError! Filename not specified..
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but coul
d not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power in the wind and plummeted to
the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of t
he field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demol
ished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the p
lane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused t
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Subject: | Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
That plane did have a subaru engine.
Builder John Davis passed away a while back too (not sure if he sold
before or if the plane was sold after his death).
I believe it (originally) had an electric prop governor that failed at
least once resulting in flat pitch and nearly zero power, but I believe
that was caused by an early wiring defect. That or limp home mode on the
subaru ecu would have caused problems. It will be interesting to see
what if anything the FAA/NTSB is able to determine as cause.
Sad to hear of the loss of life and injury. It sure seems like there was
the opportunity to have a successful off field landing here. Too bad
that didn't happen.
...Jason
On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:58 PM, "Larry David" <lgdavid@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> The statement fails to recognice that the construction by a home
builder is usually superior then that by an assembly line worker since
the builder has a vested interest in making things perfect. Guess you
can't expect a trouper to understand that subtle fact. You can check
the registration on:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N76
7GW
> Unfortunately, it does not say what engine. If it was a Subaru, the
description sounds a little like the limp home mode feature that got my
plane also got them. Everyone with a Subaru engine should have the ECU
modified so it can never enter the limp home mode. Sorry to read about
it. My heart goes out to those folks and their families. Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Galin Hernandez
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
>
> Especially when they make a comment like:
>
> A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was
may have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an
aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together
themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel
said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
> As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
>
> Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
>
> Galin
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net>
wrote:
> I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane.
Hadn't heard that he sold it, but must have.
>
> Sad, hate to see these things happen.
>
> Bill Schertz
> KIS Cruiser #4045
> N343BS
> Phase I testing
>
> From: Robert Reed
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Subject: KIS-List: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
>
> Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft -
TR-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near
Denton Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital
in Dallas for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who
was flying or on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with
only the tail section appearing to be in tact.
>
> =46rom what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold
Culp in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in
the area.
>
>
>
> I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean
time please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
>
> Bob Reed
>
>
>
> DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) -
> A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a
mile south of Denton Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday A husband
and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to
Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
>
> John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an
"experimental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at
about 7:12 p.m. from that airport.
>
> The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but
could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost power in the wind and
plummeted to the ground.
>
> At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section
of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was
the demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash.
Debris from the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all
directions.
>
> Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what
caused the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of
aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
>
> "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane -
they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental,"
trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing
with."
>
>
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