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1. 04:49 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material ()
2. 05:21 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material (Richard Trickel)
3. 07:19 AM - TR-1 Control forces (Hans Christian Erstad)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material ()
5. 10:54 AM - Re: TR-1 Control forces (Scott Stearns)
6. 11:02 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material (Kenneth Philcox)
7. 12:53 PM - Re: TR-1 Control forces ()
8. 04:11 PM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material (JOHN JACKSON)
9. 06:01 PM - Re: Oshkosh (John Forster)
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Subject: | Re: TR1 Nose Leg material |
7/22/2010
Hello Tim,
1) JJ wrote: "Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round
bar) nose leg...."
2) Rich wrote: "There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R...."
3) You wrote: "Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod..."
The presumption is that JJ was asking about the angled nose landing gear
strut that extends from the firewall area down to the short vertical stub
when he wrote "nose leg".
Rich answered in that regard when he said that Tri R never made a "solid
round bar version".
I don't think that there was any question or doubt that the short vertical
stub was solid steel in all versions of the KIS TR-1 nose landing gear. Only
confusion about the solidity of the angled strut portion.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
PS: We still don't know why JJ was asking the question.
====================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
Hi Rich,
I'm going on memory, which is questionable. It was probably three years ago
when my nose gear cracked where the solid down rod entered the tube that
became the firewall mount. The tube cracked, not the rod. Their were 3 or 4
spot welds that mated the rod to the tube. My welder replaced the tube with
a thicker one and added more bracing. The down rod is threaded on the other
end to attach the nose wheel yoke.
This was the version that came with my kit #47 in 1993. You had welded two
horizontal, triangular shaped braces to to the tube as a beef up to the
original (previous?) one. I think this was in response to some trouble that
some were having when landing on turf runways.
Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod, I think, (Since
you are way down there and I'm not telling you where I am!)
I am sure I posted some pictures on Bob Andersons site. There goes that
memory thing again.
Tim
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Trickel
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
John
There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R so I would
assum that this was a conversion by someone along the way. You might have
to track the original builder to find out what he did
Rich
===============================================================
From: JOHN JACKSON <helixaviation@btinternet.com>
Subject: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:51 PM
Hello Guys
Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round
bar) nose leg is made from. I understand that the mounting weldment is
4130; but is the round bar also 4130?
Thanks in anticipation.
JJ
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Subject: | Re: TR1 Nose Leg material |
JJ
If I recall right the downtube (Lower portion of nosegear) is .156 wall 413
0 that is bent to shape with a threaded plug pinned into place.- This was
then heat treated as per lyles discription.- If you had heated it red to
straighten you would indeed normalize the material to close to its origina
l state. (don=B4t know the real details on normalizing) Lyle????.- this w
ould weaken it and allow it to bend easier.-- you could heat treat it a
gain or have lyle build you a new improved gear at a reasonable price
Rich
--- On Thu, 7/22/10, bakerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:
From: bakerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
7/22/2010
Hello Tim,
1) JJ wrote: "Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid roun
d bar) nose leg...."
2) Rich wrote: "There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R....
"
3) You wrote: "Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod...
"
The presumption is that JJ was asking about the angled nose landing gear st
rut that extends from the firewall area down to the short vertical stub whe
n he wrote "nose leg".
Rich answered in that regard when he said that Tri R never made a "solid ro
und bar version".
I don't think that there was any question or doubt that the short vertical
stub was solid steel in all versions of the KIS TR-1 nose landing gear. Onl
y confusion about the solidity of the angled strut portion.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
PS: We still don't know why JJ was asking the question.
==
----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
Hi Rich,
I'm going on memory, which is questionable. It was probably three years ago
when my nose gear cracked where the solid down rod entered the tube that b
ecame the firewall mount. The tube cracked, not the rod. Their were 3 or 4
spot welds that mated the rod to the tube. My welder replaced the tube with
a thicker one and added more bracing. The down rod is threaded on the othe
r end to attach the nose wheel yoke.
This was the version that came with my kit #47 in 1993. You had welded two
horizontal, triangular shaped braces to to the tube as a beef up to the ori
ginal (previous?) one. I think this was in response to some trouble that so
me were having when landing on turf runways.
Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod, I think, (Since
you are way down there and I'm not telling you where I am!)
I am sure I posted some pictures on Bob Andersons site. There goes that mem
ory thing again.
Tim
=====
----- Original Message ------ From: Richard Trickel
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
- - ---John
- - ---There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R so
I would assum that this was a conversion by someone along the way.- You
might have to track the original builder to find out what he did
- - ---Rich
=============
- - - ---From: JOHN JACKSON <helixaviation@btinternet.com>
- - - ---Subject: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
- - - ---To: kis-list@matronics.com
- - - ---Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:51 PM
- - - ---Hello Guys
- - - ---Does anyone know what metal the second generation (sol
id round bar) nose leg is made from.- I understand that the mounting weld
ment is 4130; but is the round bar also 4130?
- - - ---Thanks in anticipation.
- - - ---JJ
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | TR-1 Control forces |
Hello Ralf, and others
I have been thinking about this, but cannot think why the aileron contoll
forces are so different.
My aileron controll forces are light a low speed, but get progrssively
heavier as I increase the speed, and at cruse speed the forces needed to
make roll movement is quite higher than in your plane.
It could eiter be the controll mechanics, or aerodynamic forces?
I remember that when I built aiplane, I had to attach the stick assembly a
bit higher up on the spar tunnel than the manual said, in order to get the
push rods to be center in the cutouts made in the wing ribs. But, still I
felt that I have a shorter stick than you have. This lead me to speculate
that the stick itself was shorter in the early kits??
Other than this, I have no clue. The controll surfaces looked identical, so
I should not think that the aerodynamic forces are different, but
aerodynamics is sometimes a mystery to me.
Regards,
Hans Christian
PS. I finally got around to wash off all the dead Norwegian, Swedish, Danish
and German mosquitos on the aiplane yesterday. A kilo lighter now
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
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[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av Twellmann, Ralf
Sendt: 21. juli 2010 08:53
Til: kis-list@matronics.com
Emne: AW: SV: SV: SV: KIS-List: Picture of fillet / Control forces
--> <r.twellmann@steute.com>
This leads to a question which arose during our weekend flying in Germany:
We found that the aileron forces on Hans plane are considerably higher than
on mine and on Keiths.
Does anybody know whether the kinematics of the controls were changed during
production of the kits?
(Hans has one of the earlier kits)
Ralf
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Subject: | Re: TR1 Nose Leg material |
7/22/2010
Hello Tim, You wrote: "I guess I don't understand the question or the parts
we are talking about." and "I am not clear on the short vertical stub that
is solid steel."
I think that some confusion on this point is very possible. What we are
referring to when we use the term "short vertical stub" is a solid rod of
steel, threaded on the bottom end, that was pinned into the end of the
hollow steel tube strut that came down from the firewall area.**
The stub and the tube were joined in such a fashion that someone looking at
the stub could easily believe that the remainder of the nose landing gear
strut was also solid.
If you will look at page 7 of the Newsletter Vol 1, Issue 3 - Sept 1993 you
will see a sketch of this solid stub area and the hollow tube that extends
above it.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
**PS: In later versions of the nose landing gear strut assembly, such as the
one that Lyle made for me, that short solid vertical stub was welded into
place.
===================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
> Hello 'OC' and Rich,
>
> First my apologies to Bob Reed and Bob Anderson, it is Bob Reed's KIS
> Cruiser Project site.
> The photos are at Whets New, 10/08/07.
>
> I guess I don't understand the question or the parts we are talking about.
> I think JJ's leg looks a lot like mine, from what is shown.
>
> I am not clear on the short vertical stub that is solid steel. I know Rich
> knows what he built and didn't build, so I don't think I am in the right
> Church yet.
>
> Sorry for any confusion,
>
> Tim
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Subject: | Re: TR-1 Control forces |
Do the controls feel the same on the ground?- It would have been interest
ing to put a 10 pound weight on each aileron of each airplane on the ground
and see if the control forces are the same.- I'd-guess something in th
e control system-is causing a lot of friction under load in flight.- St
icky rod ends or maybe the bolts that attch the stick to the carry over are
too tight.
-
I ended up redesigning a lot of the control system so it's all ball bearing
s including all the rod ends.- It was expensive and probably overkill, bu
t the controls are nice.- I made it a center stick, between the seats, to
o.-
-
Cheers,
Scott
--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Hans Christian Erstad <hans-chr.erstad@c2i.net> wrote:
From: Hans Christian Erstad <hans-chr.erstad@c2i.net>
Subject: KIS-List: TR-1 Control forces
i.net>
Hello Ralf, and others
I have been thinking about this, but cannot think why the aileron contoll
forces are so different.
My aileron controll forces are light a low speed, but get progrssively
heavier as I increase the speed, and at cruse speed the forces needed to
make roll movement is quite higher than in your plane.
It could eiter be the controll mechanics, or aerodynamic forces?
I remember that when I built aiplane, I had to attach the stick assembly a
bit higher up on the spar tunnel than the manual said, in order to get the
push rods to be center in the cutouts made in the wing ribs.- But, still
I
felt that I have a shorter stick than you have. This lead me to speculate
that the stick itself was shorter in the early kits??
Other than this, I have no clue. The controll surfaces looked identical, so
I should not think that the aerodynamic forces are different, but
aerodynamics is sometimes a mystery to me.
Regards,
Hans Christian
PS. I finally got around to wash off all the dead Norwegian, Swedish, Danis
h
and German mosquitos on the aiplane yesterday. A kilo lighter now
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne av Twellmann, Ralf
Sendt: 21. juli 2010 08:53
Til: kis-list@matronics.com
Emne: AW: SV: SV: SV: KIS-List: Picture of fillet / Control forces
--> <r.twellmann@steute.com>
This leads to a question which arose during our weekend flying in Germany:
We found that the aileron forces on Hans plane are considerably higher than
on mine and on Keiths.
Does anybody know whether the kinematics of the controls were changed durin
g
production of the kits?
(Hans has one of the earlier kits)
Ralf
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: TR1 Nose Leg material |
The original nose leg was not solid. It was a tube with a solid threaded
plug in the end for the castor assembly. I rebuilt it years ago using a
1.5 " od 1/8 "wall tubing all the way up to the firewall tube which I
could not replace because of the space restrictions of my 023L2C LYC. I
fly off a grass strip and have no problem with the gear so far.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN JACKSON
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
Rich/OC
I may be confusing things somewhat. I have always assumed that my
nose leg was a solid bar but to be honest, I've never checked.
Certainly the threaded portion that the castor assembly is attached to
seems solid.
I'll try and attach a picture to clear up the confusion. (The fillet
welded onto the lower bend is a later modification).
Thanks
JJ
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From: "bakerocb@cox.net" <bakerocb@cox.net>
To: kis-list@matronics.com; helixaviation@btinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010 22:41:13
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
7/21/2010
Hello JJ, It would help us to answer your question if we knew why you
were asking it. You wrote:
1) "Does anyone know what metal the second generation....."
There were several iterations of the nose landing gear on the KIS TR-1
so it is probably impossible to use the term "second generation" and
have everybody understand and agree on just exactly what version of the
nose landing gear strut that you are asking about.
2) ".....(solid round bar).......
I never had the very earliest version(s) of the KIS TR-1 nose landing
gear strut in my hands so I looked at the drawings / pictures and
assumed that I was looking at a round, solid, hardened (spring) steel,
tapered rod.
But Rich writes: "There never was a solid round bar version made by
Tri R...." So that leaves further potential confusion regarding the
exact KIS TR-1 nose landing gear strut, or its source and material, that
you are asking about.
3) "I understand that the mounting weldment is 4130; but is the round
bar also 4130?"
So we can't answer for certain your question about the material that
the mystery solid, round, nose landing gear strut is made from, but if
you read some of the email exchanges copied below I'd be willing to bet
that any KIS TR-1 nose landing gear strut that we know of, regardless of
its shape or solidity, was made of 4130 steel.
If you expand on your question a bit we may be able to provide more
help.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and
effort to gather and understand knowledge."
=========
----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN JACKSON"
<helixaviation@btinternet.com>
To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material
Hello Guys
Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round bar)
nose leg is
made from. I understand that the mounting weldment is 4130; but is the
round
bar also 4130?
Thanks in anticipation.
JJ
============
> From Lyle Hendricks:
O.C., Rich, Ken and all,
First of all let me clarify that I'm not a metallurgist, but I have
worked
with various metals on a daily basis for the last 25 years and have
metal
components heat treated on a regular basis (and I did sleep at a
Holiday Inn
last night :)
As I see it, austenite is a condition produced during the heat
treatment
stage which gives 4130 steel aircraft components their desired
characteristics; allowing the metal to be strong enough to bend,
stretch or
compress without breaking and be resistant to corrosion as well as
being
machinable. The harder the material is, the more brittle and prone to
fatigue or fracture it becomes. If you've ever noticed a small dimple
or
peen mark on any metal component that has a strength or durability
requirement, it has probably been hardness tested. There are a number
of
ways to measure hardness of materials. Brinell uses a technique where
a
known load is applied to a surface with a hardened steel ball of known
diameter. The result of the permanent impression is measured and the
Brinell
hardness number can be calculated using this formula where D= dia of
the
ball in millimeters, d= dia measured at the rim of the impression in
millimeters and P= load applied in kilograms.
Rockwell testing is similar to Brinell's method with many variations
such as
the shape of the penetrating device and methods which they are
applied.
Rockwell actually applies a minor load and a major load then derives a
hardness number on either a "B" or "C" scale depending on the
variables used
creating the impression.
There are a number of other methods that determine strength and
hardness
that I won't go into so as not to bore you with the details.
Rich recalls heat treating metal to Rockwell 70. Assuming this is 4130
he's
referring to, it would be on the Rockwell "B" scale producing a
tensile
strength of 61ksi (61,000 lbs per square inch.) O.C.'s gear was 4130
steel
treated to RC 28-32 which produces a tensile strength of 131ksi -
145ksi
(131,000 - 145,000 psi.)
The official definition of Austenite according to wordiq.com is...
Austenite is a solid solution of carbon and iron that exists in steel
above
the critical temperature of 1333=B0F (about 723=B0C). It is named
after Sir W.C.
Roberts-Austen. Its face-centred cubic (FCC) structure allows it to
hold a
high proportion of carbon. As it cools, it breaks down into other
materials
such as pearlite (a mixture of ferrite and cementite), martensite and
bainite. The rate of cooling determines the relative proportions of
these
materials and therefore the mechanical properties (e.g. hardness,
tensile
strength) of the steel.
The addition of certain other metals, such as manganese, nickel and
chromium, can cause the austenitic structure to survive at room
temperature,
resulting in austenitic steel.
Hope I've answered your question or at least have you thoroughly
confused.
Lyle Hendricks
Hendricks Mfg., Inc.
www.HendricksMfg.com
208-476-7740
========
-----Original Message-----
From: bakerocb@cox.net [mailto:bakerocb@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:32 PM
To: kis-list@matronics.com; TRICKEL, RICH; ken757@comcast.net
Cc: HENDRICKS, LYLE
Subject: KIS TR-1 Nose Gear Heat Treat
6/22/2010
Hello Ken, Rich wrote: "........ the later spring/shock gears were not
heat
treated."
Just wanted to let you know that when Lyle Hendricks converted my
airfoil
shaped spring / shock nose gear strut to a round tube that it was heat
treated on 11/14/01.
It went through: Normalize at 1650 degrees; Autenitie** at 1575
degrees; and
Temper at 1050 degrees. Rockwell C hardness was 28-31.
Please see the attached picture.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and
effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
**PS: My knowledge of heat treatment is pretty limited. This term may
really
be austenite as austenitie is something fairly exotic. Maybe Lyle can
clarify this.
=== htp; - List nbsp; -->
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Subject: | Re: TR-1 Control forces |
7/22/2010
Hello Scott, You wrote: "I made it a center stick, between the seats, too."
So what did you do about throttles? Thanks.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
==========================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Stearns" <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Control forces
Do the controls feel the same on the ground? It would have been interesting
to put a 10 pound weight on each aileron of each airplane on the ground and
see if the control forces are the same. I'd guess something in the control
system is causing a lot of friction under load in flight. Sticky rod ends or
maybe the bolts that attch the stick to the carry over are too tight.
I ended up redesigning a lot of the control system so it's all ball bearings
including all the rod ends. It was expensive and probably overkill, but the
controls are nice. I made it a center stick, between the seats, too.
Cheers,
Scott
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Subject: | Re: TR1 Nose Leg material |
Rich and all=0A=0AThanks for the advice.- I've just removed my nose leg f
or straightening and =0Afound the 'pin' that holds the stub into the tube.
- =0A=0A=0ARather than straightening the original leg, I'm considering re
placing the lower =0Atube section by drilling out the rosette weld-where
it-slides into the upper =0Aportion.=0A=0AAny thoughts about wall thickne
ss of the-replacement lower-tube?- Would =0Areplacing like-for-like b
e the best bet or does anyone think a thicker walled =0Atube would be stron
ger yet still flexible enough to take out-the shock loads?- =0AAlso, ho
w about bolting the nose leg assembly back together (with suitable =0Abushi
ng) rather than rosette welding; this would make it easier to replace the
=0Alower portion in the-future if it bends again?- I'd plan to have 3 n
ew lower =0Asections made locally and get the whole lot, including the orig
inal mounting =0Abracket, heat treated as per Lyles description.=0A=0AHavin
g completed 320 hours and about 750 landings (250 of which were on to =0Agr
ass), I'm happy that the nose leg assembly I've got is doing a good job, it
's =0Ajust not 'man enough' for rough fields.- In future I'll stick to sm
ooth grass =0Astrips but have some spares incase I hit an unexpected bump.
=0A=0AThanks=0A=0AJJ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Thursday, 22 July, 2010 13:16:54=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose
Leg material=0A=0A=0AJJ=0AIf I recall right the downtube (Lower portion of
nosegear) is .156 wall 4130 =0Athat is bent to shape with a threaded plug
pinned into place.- This was then =0Aheat treated as per lyles discriptio
n.- If you had heated it red to straighten =0Ayou would indeed normalize
the material to close to its original state. (don=B4t =0Aknow the real deta
ils on normalizing) Lyle????.- this would weaken it and allow =0Ait to be
nd easier.-- you could heat treat it again or have lyle build you a new
=0Aimproved gear at a reasonable price=0ARich=0A=0A--- On Thu, 7/22/10, ba
kerocb@cox.net <bakerocb@cox.net> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: bakerocb@cox.net <b
akerocb@cox.net>=0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material=0A>To: kis
-list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:24 AM=0A>=0A>=0A>-
ello Tim,=0A>=0A>1) JJ wrote: "Does anyone know what metal the second gener
ation (solid round =0A>bar) nose leg...."=0A>=0A>2) Rich wrote: "There neve
r was a solid round bar version made by Tri R...."=0A>=0A>3) You wrote: "An
yway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod..."=0A>=0A>The pres
umption is that JJ was asking about the angled nose landing gear strut =0A>
that extends from the firewall area down to the short vertical stub when he
=0A>wrote "nose leg".=0A>=0A>Rich answered in that regard when he said tha
t Tri R never made a "solid round =0A>bar version".=0A>=0A>I don't think th
at there was any question or doubt that the short vertical stub =0A>was sol
id steel in all versions of the KIS TR-1 nose landing gear. Only =0A>confus
ion about the solidity of the angled strut portion.=0A>=0A>'OC' Baker Says:
"The best investment we can make is the time and effort to =0A>gather and
understand knowledge."=0A>=0A>PS: We still don't know why JJ was asking the
question.=0A>=0A>====0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- From: "F. T
im Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>=0A>To: <kis-list@matronics.com>=0A>Sent:
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:25 PM=0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg ma
terial=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Rich,=0A>=0A>I'm going on memory, which is questionabl
e. It was probably three years ago when =0A>my nose gear cracked where the
solid down rod entered the tube that became the =0A>firewall mount. The tub
e cracked, not the rod. Their were 3 or 4 spot welds that =0A>mated the rod
to the tube. My welder replaced the tube with a thicker one and =0A>added
more bracing. The down rod is threaded on the other end to attach the nose
=0A>wheel yoke.=0A>=0A>This was the version that came with my kit #47 in 19
93. You had welded two =0A>horizontal, triangular shaped braces to to the t
ube as a beef up to the original =0A>(previous?) one. I think this was in r
esponse to some trouble that some were =0A>having when landing on turf runw
ays.=0A>=0A>Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod, I th
ink, (Since you =0A>are way down there and I'm not telling you where I am!)
=0A>=0A>I am sure I posted some pictures on Bob Andersons site. There goes
that memory =0A>thing again.=0A>=0A>Tim=0A>=0A>=======0A>-----
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Nose Leg material=0A>=0A>=0A>- - ---John=0A>- - ---Ther
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at this was a conversion by someone along the way.- You might have to tra
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--Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round bar)
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30; but is =0A>the round bar also 4130?=0A>=0A>- - - ---Thanks
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Bob (and all)
I'm planning on meeting up with you guys for lunch. I should have my
family in tow!
See you there,
John
p.s. You might want to fit the cruiser with floats! It just keeps
raining here :-(
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From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Anderson
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Oshkosh
Hi Kent
The Friday I am referring to is 7 - 30 - 10
Hope to see you there.
Bob A
--- On Sat, 7/10/10, kent pyle <kentpyle@iland.net> wrote:
From: kent pyle <kentpyle@iland.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Oshkosh
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 5:55 PM
Bob, I should be there Friday afternoon before the event starts.
They have been parking me near the homebuild registration building the
past three years, so I think they probably park you in the same area.
11 for lunch sounds great. In the past it has sometimes taken me a
little longer to get there than eleven AM, so if I don't call you will
know I am in weather some where and we can try again on Saturday. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Anderson
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To: kisbuilders
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Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:00 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Oshkosh
Hi Guys
Anyone going to Oshkosh ?
I am going to be there Friday & Saturday. If anyone wants to get
together we could meet at the Home-builders building ( same place you
register your plane ) for a some hangar flying and maybe some lunch. I
would suggest 11:00 AM. I can be reached at Oshkosh on my cell
507-779-1182 between now and then Work 507-386-7817 Home 504-387-5955
Bob Anderson
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