---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/22/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:49 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material () 2. 05:21 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material (Richard Trickel) 3. 07:19 AM - TR-1 Control forces (Hans Christian Erstad) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material () 5. 10:54 AM - Re: TR-1 Control forces (Scott Stearns) 6. 11:02 AM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material (Kenneth Philcox) 7. 12:53 PM - Re: TR-1 Control forces () 8. 04:11 PM - Re: TR1 Nose Leg material (JOHN JACKSON) 9. 06:01 PM - Re: Oshkosh (John Forster) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:57 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material 7/22/2010 Hello Tim, 1) JJ wrote: "Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round bar) nose leg...." 2) Rich wrote: "There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R...." 3) You wrote: "Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod..." The presumption is that JJ was asking about the angled nose landing gear strut that extends from the firewall area down to the short vertical stub when he wrote "nose leg". Rich answered in that regard when he said that Tri R never made a "solid round bar version". I don't think that there was any question or doubt that the short vertical stub was solid steel in all versions of the KIS TR-1 nose landing gear. Only confusion about the solidity of the angled strut portion. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: We still don't know why JJ was asking the question. ==================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Tim Yoder" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material Hi Rich, I'm going on memory, which is questionable. It was probably three years ago when my nose gear cracked where the solid down rod entered the tube that became the firewall mount. The tube cracked, not the rod. Their were 3 or 4 spot welds that mated the rod to the tube. My welder replaced the tube with a thicker one and added more bracing. The down rod is threaded on the other end to attach the nose wheel yoke. This was the version that came with my kit #47 in 1993. You had welded two horizontal, triangular shaped braces to to the tube as a beef up to the original (previous?) one. I think this was in response to some trouble that some were having when landing on turf runways. Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod, I think, (Since you are way down there and I'm not telling you where I am!) I am sure I posted some pictures on Bob Andersons site. There goes that memory thing again. Tim ======================================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material John There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R so I would assum that this was a conversion by someone along the way. You might have to track the original builder to find out what he did Rich =============================================================== From: JOHN JACKSON Subject: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:51 PM Hello Guys Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round bar) nose leg is made from. I understand that the mounting weldment is 4130; but is the round bar also 4130? Thanks in anticipation. JJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:48 AM PST US From: Richard Trickel Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material JJ If I recall right the downtube (Lower portion of nosegear) is .156 wall 413 0 that is bent to shape with a threaded plug pinned into place.- This was then heat treated as per lyles discription.- If you had heated it red to straighten you would indeed normalize the material to close to its origina l state. (don=B4t know the real details on normalizing) Lyle????.- this w ould weaken it and allow it to bend easier.-- you could heat treat it a gain or have lyle build you a new improved gear at a reasonable price Rich --- On Thu, 7/22/10, bakerocb@cox.net wrote: From: bakerocb@cox.net Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material 7/22/2010 Hello Tim, 1) JJ wrote: "Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid roun d bar) nose leg...." 2) Rich wrote: "There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R.... " 3) You wrote: "Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod... " The presumption is that JJ was asking about the angled nose landing gear st rut that extends from the firewall area down to the short vertical stub whe n he wrote "nose leg". Rich answered in that regard when he said that Tri R never made a "solid ro und bar version". I don't think that there was any question or doubt that the short vertical stub was solid steel in all versions of the KIS TR-1 nose landing gear. Onl y confusion about the solidity of the angled strut portion. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: We still don't know why JJ was asking the question. == ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Tim Yoder" Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material Hi Rich, I'm going on memory, which is questionable. It was probably three years ago when my nose gear cracked where the solid down rod entered the tube that b ecame the firewall mount. The tube cracked, not the rod. Their were 3 or 4 spot welds that mated the rod to the tube. My welder replaced the tube with a thicker one and added more bracing. The down rod is threaded on the othe r end to attach the nose wheel yoke. This was the version that came with my kit #47 in 1993. You had welded two horizontal, triangular shaped braces to to the tube as a beef up to the ori ginal (previous?) one. I think this was in response to some trouble that so me were having when landing on turf runways. Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod, I think, (Since you are way down there and I'm not telling you where I am!) I am sure I posted some pictures on Bob Andersons site. There goes that mem ory thing again. Tim ===== ----- Original Message ------ From: Richard Trickel Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material - - ---John - - ---There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R so I would assum that this was a conversion by someone along the way.- You might have to track the original builder to find out what he did - - ---Rich ============= - - - ---From: JOHN JACKSON - - - ---Subject: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material - - - ---To: kis-list@matronics.com - - - ---Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:51 PM - - - ---Hello Guys - - - ---Does anyone know what metal the second generation (sol id round bar) nose leg is made from.- I understand that the mounting weld ment is 4130; but is the round bar also 4130? - - - ---Thanks in anticipation. - - - ---JJ le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:21 AM PST US From: "Hans Christian Erstad" Subject: KIS-List: TR-1 Control forces Hello Ralf, and others I have been thinking about this, but cannot think why the aileron contoll forces are so different. My aileron controll forces are light a low speed, but get progrssively heavier as I increase the speed, and at cruse speed the forces needed to make roll movement is quite higher than in your plane. It could eiter be the controll mechanics, or aerodynamic forces? I remember that when I built aiplane, I had to attach the stick assembly a bit higher up on the spar tunnel than the manual said, in order to get the push rods to be center in the cutouts made in the wing ribs. But, still I felt that I have a shorter stick than you have. This lead me to speculate that the stick itself was shorter in the early kits?? Other than this, I have no clue. The controll surfaces looked identical, so I should not think that the aerodynamic forces are different, but aerodynamics is sometimes a mystery to me. Regards, Hans Christian PS. I finally got around to wash off all the dead Norwegian, Swedish, Danish and German mosquitos on the aiplane yesterday. A kilo lighter now -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av Twellmann, Ralf Sendt: 21. juli 2010 08:53 Til: kis-list@matronics.com Emne: AW: SV: SV: SV: KIS-List: Picture of fillet / Control forces --> This leads to a question which arose during our weekend flying in Germany: We found that the aileron forces on Hans plane are considerably higher than on mine and on Keiths. Does anybody know whether the kinematics of the controls were changed during production of the kits? (Hans has one of the earlier kits) Ralf ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material 7/22/2010 Hello Tim, You wrote: "I guess I don't understand the question or the parts we are talking about." and "I am not clear on the short vertical stub that is solid steel." I think that some confusion on this point is very possible. What we are referring to when we use the term "short vertical stub" is a solid rod of steel, threaded on the bottom end, that was pinned into the end of the hollow steel tube strut that came down from the firewall area.** The stub and the tube were joined in such a fashion that someone looking at the stub could easily believe that the remainder of the nose landing gear strut was also solid. If you will look at page 7 of the Newsletter Vol 1, Issue 3 - Sept 1993 you will see a sketch of this solid stub area and the hollow tube that extends above it. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." **PS: In later versions of the nose landing gear strut assembly, such as the one that Lyle made for me, that short solid vertical stub was welded into place. =================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Tim Yoder" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material > Hello 'OC' and Rich, > > First my apologies to Bob Reed and Bob Anderson, it is Bob Reed's KIS > Cruiser Project site. > The photos are at Whets New, 10/08/07. > > I guess I don't understand the question or the parts we are talking about. > I think JJ's leg looks a lot like mine, from what is shown. > > I am not clear on the short vertical stub that is solid steel. I know Rich > knows what he built and didn't build, so I don't think I am in the right > Church yet. > > Sorry for any confusion, > > Tim ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:03 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Control forces Do the controls feel the same on the ground?- It would have been interest ing to put a 10 pound weight on each aileron of each airplane on the ground and see if the control forces are the same.- I'd-guess something in th e control system-is causing a lot of friction under load in flight.- St icky rod ends or maybe the bolts that attch the stick to the carry over are too tight. - I ended up redesigning a lot of the control system so it's all ball bearing s including all the rod ends.- It was expensive and probably overkill, bu t the controls are nice.- I made it a center stick, between the seats, to o.- - Cheers, Scott --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Hans Christian Erstad wrote: From: Hans Christian Erstad Subject: KIS-List: TR-1 Control forces i.net> Hello Ralf, and others I have been thinking about this, but cannot think why the aileron contoll forces are so different. My aileron controll forces are light a low speed, but get progrssively heavier as I increase the speed, and at cruse speed the forces needed to make roll movement is quite higher than in your plane. It could eiter be the controll mechanics, or aerodynamic forces? I remember that when I built aiplane, I had to attach the stick assembly a bit higher up on the spar tunnel than the manual said, in order to get the push rods to be center in the cutouts made in the wing ribs.- But, still I felt that I have a shorter stick than you have. This lead me to speculate that the stick itself was shorter in the early kits?? Other than this, I have no clue. The controll surfaces looked identical, so I should not think that the aerodynamic forces are different, but aerodynamics is sometimes a mystery to me. Regards, Hans Christian PS. I finally got around to wash off all the dead Norwegian, Swedish, Danis h and German mosquitos on the aiplane yesterday. A kilo lighter now -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne av Twellmann, Ralf Sendt: 21. juli 2010 08:53 Til: kis-list@matronics.com Emne: AW: SV: SV: SV: KIS-List: Picture of fillet / Control forces --> This leads to a question which arose during our weekend flying in Germany: We found that the aileron forces on Hans plane are considerably higher than on mine and on Keiths. Does anybody know whether the kinematics of the controls were changed durin g production of the kits? (Hans has one of the earlier kits) Ralf le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:48 AM PST US From: "Kenneth Philcox" Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material The original nose leg was not solid. It was a tube with a solid threaded plug in the end for the castor assembly. I rebuilt it years ago using a 1.5 " od 1/8 "wall tubing all the way up to the firewall tube which I could not replace because of the space restrictions of my 023L2C LYC. I fly off a grass strip and have no problem with the gear so far. ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN JACKSON To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:36 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material Rich/OC I may be confusing things somewhat. I have always assumed that my nose leg was a solid bar but to be honest, I've never checked. Certainly the threaded portion that the castor assembly is attached to seems solid. I'll try and attach a picture to clear up the confusion. (The fillet welded onto the lower bend is a later modification). Thanks JJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "bakerocb@cox.net" To: kis-list@matronics.com; helixaviation@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010 22:41:13 Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material 7/21/2010 Hello JJ, It would help us to answer your question if we knew why you were asking it. You wrote: 1) "Does anyone know what metal the second generation....." There were several iterations of the nose landing gear on the KIS TR-1 so it is probably impossible to use the term "second generation" and have everybody understand and agree on just exactly what version of the nose landing gear strut that you are asking about. 2) ".....(solid round bar)....... I never had the very earliest version(s) of the KIS TR-1 nose landing gear strut in my hands so I looked at the drawings / pictures and assumed that I was looking at a round, solid, hardened (spring) steel, tapered rod. But Rich writes: "There never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R...." So that leaves further potential confusion regarding the exact KIS TR-1 nose landing gear strut, or its source and material, that you are asking about. 3) "I understand that the mounting weldment is 4130; but is the round bar also 4130?" So we can't answer for certain your question about the material that the mystery solid, round, nose landing gear strut is made from, but if you read some of the email exchanges copied below I'd be willing to bet that any KIS TR-1 nose landing gear strut that we know of, regardless of its shape or solidity, was made of 4130 steel. If you expand on your question a bit we may be able to provide more help. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." ========= ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN JACKSON" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material Hello Guys Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round bar) nose leg is made from. I understand that the mounting weldment is 4130; but is the round bar also 4130? Thanks in anticipation. JJ ============ > From Lyle Hendricks: O.C., Rich, Ken and all, First of all let me clarify that I'm not a metallurgist, but I have worked with various metals on a daily basis for the last 25 years and have metal components heat treated on a regular basis (and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night :) As I see it, austenite is a condition produced during the heat treatment stage which gives 4130 steel aircraft components their desired characteristics; allowing the metal to be strong enough to bend, stretch or compress without breaking and be resistant to corrosion as well as being machinable. The harder the material is, the more brittle and prone to fatigue or fracture it becomes. If you've ever noticed a small dimple or peen mark on any metal component that has a strength or durability requirement, it has probably been hardness tested. There are a number of ways to measure hardness of materials. Brinell uses a technique where a known load is applied to a surface with a hardened steel ball of known diameter. The result of the permanent impression is measured and the Brinell hardness number can be calculated using this formula where D= dia of the ball in millimeters, d= dia measured at the rim of the impression in millimeters and P= load applied in kilograms. Rockwell testing is similar to Brinell's method with many variations such as the shape of the penetrating device and methods which they are applied. Rockwell actually applies a minor load and a major load then derives a hardness number on either a "B" or "C" scale depending on the variables used creating the impression. There are a number of other methods that determine strength and hardness that I won't go into so as not to bore you with the details. Rich recalls heat treating metal to Rockwell 70. Assuming this is 4130 he's referring to, it would be on the Rockwell "B" scale producing a tensile strength of 61ksi (61,000 lbs per square inch.) O.C.'s gear was 4130 steel treated to RC 28-32 which produces a tensile strength of 131ksi - 145ksi (131,000 - 145,000 psi.) The official definition of Austenite according to wordiq.com is... Austenite is a solid solution of carbon and iron that exists in steel above the critical temperature of 1333=B0F (about 723=B0C). It is named after Sir W.C. Roberts-Austen. Its face-centred cubic (FCC) structure allows it to hold a high proportion of carbon. As it cools, it breaks down into other materials such as pearlite (a mixture of ferrite and cementite), martensite and bainite. The rate of cooling determines the relative proportions of these materials and therefore the mechanical properties (e.g. hardness, tensile strength) of the steel. The addition of certain other metals, such as manganese, nickel and chromium, can cause the austenitic structure to survive at room temperature, resulting in austenitic steel. Hope I've answered your question or at least have you thoroughly confused. Lyle Hendricks Hendricks Mfg., Inc. www.HendricksMfg.com 208-476-7740 ======== -----Original Message----- From: bakerocb@cox.net [mailto:bakerocb@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:32 PM To: kis-list@matronics.com; TRICKEL, RICH; ken757@comcast.net Cc: HENDRICKS, LYLE Subject: KIS TR-1 Nose Gear Heat Treat 6/22/2010 Hello Ken, Rich wrote: "........ the later spring/shock gears were not heat treated." Just wanted to let you know that when Lyle Hendricks converted my airfoil shaped spring / shock nose gear strut to a round tube that it was heat treated on 11/14/01. It went through: Normalize at 1650 degrees; Autenitie** at 1575 degrees; and Temper at 1050 degrees. Rockwell C hardness was 28-31. Please see the attached picture. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." **PS: My knowledge of heat treatment is pretty limited. This term may really be austenite as austenitie is something fairly exotic. Maybe Lyle can clarify this. === htp; - List nbsp; --> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:53 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Control forces 7/22/2010 Hello Scott, You wrote: "I made it a center stick, between the seats, too." So what did you do about throttles? Thanks. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." ========================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Stearns" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Control forces Do the controls feel the same on the ground? It would have been interesting to put a 10 pound weight on each aileron of each airplane on the ground and see if the control forces are the same. I'd guess something in the control system is causing a lot of friction under load in flight. Sticky rod ends or maybe the bolts that attch the stick to the carry over are too tight. I ended up redesigning a lot of the control system so it's all ball bearings including all the rod ends. It was expensive and probably overkill, but the controls are nice. I made it a center stick, between the seats, too. Cheers, Scott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:51 PM PST US From: JOHN JACKSON Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material Rich and all=0A=0AThanks for the advice.- I've just removed my nose leg f or straightening and =0Afound the 'pin' that holds the stub into the tube. - =0A=0A=0ARather than straightening the original leg, I'm considering re placing the lower =0Atube section by drilling out the rosette weld-where it-slides into the upper =0Aportion.=0A=0AAny thoughts about wall thickne ss of the-replacement lower-tube?- Would =0Areplacing like-for-like b e the best bet or does anyone think a thicker walled =0Atube would be stron ger yet still flexible enough to take out-the shock loads?- =0AAlso, ho w about bolting the nose leg assembly back together (with suitable =0Abushi ng) rather than rosette welding; this would make it easier to replace the =0Alower portion in the-future if it bends again?- I'd plan to have 3 n ew lower =0Asections made locally and get the whole lot, including the orig inal mounting =0Abracket, heat treated as per Lyles description.=0A=0AHavin g completed 320 hours and about 750 landings (250 of which were on to =0Agr ass), I'm happy that the nose leg assembly I've got is doing a good job, it 's =0Ajust not 'man enough' for rough fields.- In future I'll stick to sm ooth grass =0Astrips but have some spares incase I hit an unexpected bump. =0A=0AThanks=0A=0AJJ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Richard Trickel =0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 22 July, 2010 13:16:54=0ASubject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material=0A=0A=0AJJ=0AIf I recall right the downtube (Lower portion of nosegear) is .156 wall 4130 =0Athat is bent to shape with a threaded plug pinned into place.- This was then =0Aheat treated as per lyles discriptio n.- If you had heated it red to straighten =0Ayou would indeed normalize the material to close to its original state. (don=B4t =0Aknow the real deta ils on normalizing) Lyle????.- this would weaken it and allow =0Ait to be nd easier.-- you could heat treat it again or have lyle build you a new =0Aimproved gear at a reasonable price=0ARich=0A=0A--- On Thu, 7/22/10, ba kerocb@cox.net wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: bakerocb@cox.net =0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material=0A>To: kis -list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:24 AM=0A>=0A>=0A>- ello Tim,=0A>=0A>1) JJ wrote: "Does anyone know what metal the second gener ation (solid round =0A>bar) nose leg...."=0A>=0A>2) Rich wrote: "There neve r was a solid round bar version made by Tri R...."=0A>=0A>3) You wrote: "An yway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod..."=0A>=0A>The pres umption is that JJ was asking about the angled nose landing gear strut =0A> that extends from the firewall area down to the short vertical stub when he =0A>wrote "nose leg".=0A>=0A>Rich answered in that regard when he said tha t Tri R never made a "solid round =0A>bar version".=0A>=0A>I don't think th at there was any question or doubt that the short vertical stub =0A>was sol id steel in all versions of the KIS TR-1 nose landing gear. Only =0A>confus ion about the solidity of the angled strut portion.=0A>=0A>'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to =0A>gather and understand knowledge."=0A>=0A>PS: We still don't know why JJ was asking the question.=0A>=0A>====0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----- From: "F. T im Yoder" =0A>To: =0A>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:25 PM=0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg ma terial=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Rich,=0A>=0A>I'm going on memory, which is questionabl e. It was probably three years ago when =0A>my nose gear cracked where the solid down rod entered the tube that became the =0A>firewall mount. The tub e cracked, not the rod. Their were 3 or 4 spot welds that =0A>mated the rod to the tube. My welder replaced the tube with a thicker one and =0A>added more bracing. The down rod is threaded on the other end to attach the nose =0A>wheel yoke.=0A>=0A>This was the version that came with my kit #47 in 19 93. You had welded two =0A>horizontal, triangular shaped braces to to the t ube as a beef up to the original =0A>(previous?) one. I think this was in r esponse to some trouble that some were =0A>having when landing on turf runw ays.=0A>=0A>Anyway I'd bet my KIS that the down rod is solid 3/4" rod, I th ink, (Since you =0A>are way down there and I'm not telling you where I am!) =0A>=0A>I am sure I posted some pictures on Bob Andersons site. There goes that memory =0A>thing again.=0A>=0A>Tim=0A>=0A>=======0A>----- Original Message ------ From: Richard Trickel=0A>To: kis-list@matronics.c om=0A>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:27 PM=0A>Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material=0A>=0A>=0A>- - ---John=0A>- - ---Ther e never was a solid round bar version made by Tri R so I would assum =0A>th at this was a conversion by someone along the way.- You might have to tra ck =0A>the original builder to find out what he did=0A>- - ---Ric h=0A>=0A>===============0A>=0A>- - - - --From: JOHN JACKSON =0A>- - - - --Subject: KIS-List: TR1 Nose Leg material=0A>- - - ---To: kis-list@matronics.com=0A>- - - ---Date: Wednesday, July 21, 20 10, 7:51 PM=0A>=0A>- - - ---Hello Guys=0A>=0A>- - - - --Does anyone know what metal the second generation (solid round bar) =0A>nose leg is made from.- I understand that the mounting weldment is 41 30; but is =0A>the round bar also 4130?=0A>=0A>- - - ---Thanks in anticipation.=0A>=0A>- &nb= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, ;---> http://forums.sp; - =0A>- - - ---- List Contri bution Web Sbsp; - - - - - - - - - - > =0A>http://www. =======================0A>=0A> ================ =0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: KIS-List: Oshkosh From: "John Forster" Bob (and all) I'm planning on meeting up with you guys for lunch. I should have my family in tow! See you there, John p.s. You might want to fit the cruiser with floats! It just keeps raining here :-( ________________________________ From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Anderson Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:37 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Oshkosh Hi Kent The Friday I am referring to is 7 - 30 - 10 Hope to see you there. Bob A --- On Sat, 7/10/10, kent pyle wrote: From: kent pyle Subject: Re: KIS-List: Oshkosh To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 5:55 PM Bob, I should be there Friday afternoon before the event starts. They have been parking me near the homebuild registration building the past three years, so I think they probably park you in the same area. 11 for lunch sounds great. In the past it has sometimes taken me a little longer to get there than eleven AM, so if I don't call you will know I am in weather some where and we can try again on Saturday. 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