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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (Bill Schertz)
2. 07:02 AM - Another Cruiser for sale. (ALFRED ROSA)
3. 07:23 AM - Bob Reed's web site (ALFRED ROSA)
4. 09:02 AM - Re: Another Cruiser for sale. (Scott Stearns)
5. 09:08 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (Scott Stearns)
6. 10:03 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (David Tate)
7. 10:24 AM - Re: Another Cruiser for sale. (ALFRED ROSA)
8. 10:39 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (F. Tim Yoder)
9. 10:51 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (Scott Stearns)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (F. Tim Yoder)
11. 11:11 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (F. Tim Yoder)
12. 11:53 AM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (Galin Hernandez)
13. 02:54 PM - Re: Interior finish and sound proofing (kent pyle)
14. 06:19 PM - Fw: Control stop summary? (tmclam@comcast.net)
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
Mike, for what it is worth:
I used a 'speckled' paint finish for the top of the interior. Consists
of one coat grey primer, one coat 'speckled trunk paint' from Auto paint
supply company, and then an overspray of clear polyurethane for abrasion
protection. It looks decent, and is easy to apply to the compound curved
surface. Doesn't supply any sound deadening though.
Floor is getting carpet, but I haven't flown with it yet with carpet. My
plane is loud with the Mazda Rotary in it.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Mike Pienaar
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi All,
For those who have already "done it" could you please comment on how you
finished the interior of your plane and whether you added any sound
damping material and what type and how would you change it.
Thanks
Mike
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Subject: | Another Cruiser for sale. |
Dear KIS list members,
I have decided to sell my 75% finished kit. While it was a blast working on
the project for the last 12 or so years and being a member of this builders
group, the time has come to admit that advancing age and financial
obligations make finishing it a pipe dream. A lot of my project can be
seen on Bob Reeds web site, and if you email me at: fredorosa@gmail.com I
can send you the latest photos and answer any questions. I have advertised
in Trade a Plane for the next 2 issues.
I am asking $38,500. which is less $ than I have invested. The hundreds of
hours of excellent work are free. The location is Venice Florida, which
has a great GA airport.
Al Rosa
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Subject: | Bob Reed's web site |
Bob, It just dawned on me that your web site could include any KIS planes /
projects currently for sale.
I know Ted Scott and myself would benefit from your site's exposure. What
say?
Al Rosa
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Subject: | Re: Another Cruiser for sale. |
Hi Al,
-
What comes with the kit? engine, avionics, etc...
-
Scott
--- On Wed, 8/4/10, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com> wrote:
From: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com>
Subject: KIS-List: Another Cruiser for sale.
Dear KIS list members,
-
I have decided to sell my 75% finished kit.- While it was a blast working
on the project for the last 12 or so years and being a member of this-bu
ilders group, the time has come to admit that advancing age and financial o
bligations make finishing it a pipe dream.---A -lot of my project c
an be seen on Bob Reeds web site, and if you email me at:- fredorosa@gmai
l.com- I can send you the latest photos and answer any questions. I have
advertised in Trade a Plane for the next 2 issues.
I am asking $38,500.--which is less-$ than I have invested.- The hu
ndreds of hours of excellent work are free.- -The location is Venice Fl
orida,- which has a great GA airport.
-
Al Rosa
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
I used zolotone on the whole interior and had a local guy make some nice se
at cushions.- I use earplugs under an ANR headset.-
-
Scott
--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
Subject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi All,
-
For those who have already "done it" could you please comment on how you fi
nished the interior of your plane and whether you added any sound damping m
aterial and what type and how would you change it.
-
Thanks
-
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
=0A=0A=0AFor what it's worth=0A=0AI didn't worry about noise dampening. Tha
t is what the noise cancelling headsets =0Awere-for. No muffler.- Zolot
one speckled paint on the interior above the =0Awaterline. A-nice upholst
ery fabric- below the waterline-adhered- by a 3M spray =0Atype pressu
re sensitive adhesive.-Carpet was a matching, removable-and =0Arelative
ly stiff doormat type material from Home Depot.=0A=0ADave Tate-(formerly
N92DT)=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Mike Pienaar <mj
pienaar@shaw.ca>=0ATo: KISBUILDERS <kis-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Wed, Au
gust 4, 2010 1:05:54 AM=0ASubject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proo
fing=0A=0A=0AHi All,=0A-=0AFor those who have already "done it" could you
please comment on how you =0Afinished the interior of your plane and wheth
er you added any sound damping =0Amaterial and what type and how would you
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Subject: | Re: Another Cruiser for sale. |
This is a Cruiser kit only needing some minor work on the fuselage and
wings. It has upgraded components like GROVE landing gear, wheels
and brakes. Top of the line GOODYEAR tires. Dual yokes, baggage door,
adjustable seats from a Mazda Miata, etc. There is no engine or avionics.
If it had that I'd be crazy to sell it for that price. I wont let anyone
steal this baby.
Al
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Al,
>
> What comes with the kit? engine, avionics, etc...
>
> Scott
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/4/10, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com>* wrote:
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> From: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa@gmail.com>
> Subject: KIS-List: Another Cruiser for sale.
> To: "kisbuilders" <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 7:01 AM
>
> Dear KIS list members,
>
> I have decided to sell my 75% finished kit. While it was a blast working
> on the project for the last 12 or so years and being a member of
> this builders group, the time has come to admit that advancing age and
> financial obligations make finishing it a pipe dream. A lot of my project
> can be seen on Bob Reeds web site, and if you email me at:
> fredorosa@gmail.com<http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fredorosa@gmail.com>
> I can send you the latest photos and answer any questions. I have advertised
> in Trade a Plane for the next 2 issues.
> I am asking $38,500. which is less $ than I have invested. The hundreds
> of hours of excellent work are free. The location is Venice Florida,
> which has a great GA airport.
>
> Al Rosa
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
Hi Mike,
I agree with the others. I also used Zolotone and and a layer of foil
backed insulation on the cabin side of the firewall, mostly for heat
radiation. If you don't have at least 3/8" thick windows and windscreen
you won't get any measurable help from other insulation. Spend the money
on Zulu or Bose and ear plugs, like Scott, if necessary. I use Clarity
Aloft for added head clearance and they are ok in my TR-1 with an
IO-240.
Scott, any updates on your phase one?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi All,
For those who have already "done it" could you please comment on how
you finished the interior of your plane and whether you added any sound
damping material and what type and how would you change it.
Thanks
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
No update on my testing yet.- I'm waiting to get my exhaust back and fixi
ng a few little things.- Hopefully I'll be able to fly late next week wit
h my new exhaust and hopefully with lower oil temps.
-
Scott
--- On Wed, 8/4/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi Mike,
-
I agree with the others. I also used Zolotone and and a layer of foil backe
d insulation on the cabin side of the firewall, mostly for heat radiation.
If you don't have at least 3/8" thick windows and windscreen you won't get
any measurable help from other insulation. Spend the money on Zulu or Bose
and ear plugs, like Scott, if necessary. I use Clarity Aloft for added-he
ad clearance and they are ok in my TR-1 with an IO-240.
-
Scott, any updates on your phase one?
-
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi All,
-
For those who have already "done it" could you please comment on how you fi
nished the interior of your plane and whether you added any sound damping m
aterial and what type and how would you change it.
-
Thanks
-
Mike
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c
om/Navigator?KIS-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
No update on my testing yet. I'm waiting to get my exhaust back
and fixing a few little things. Hopefully I'll be able to fly late next
week with my new exhaust and hopefully with lower oil temps.
Scott
--- On Wed, 8/4/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 10:36 AM
Hi Mike,
I agree with the others. I also used Zolotone and and a layer
of foil backed insulation on the cabin side of the firewall, mostly for
heat radiation. If you don't have at least 3/8" thick windows and
windscreen you won't get any measurable help from other insulation.
Spend the money on Zulu or Bose and ear plugs, like Scott, if necessary.
I use Clarity Aloft for added head clearance and they are ok in my TR-1
with an IO-240.
Scott, any updates on your phase one?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi All,
For those who have already "done it" could you please
comment on how you finished the interior of your plane and whether you
added any sound damping material and what type and how would you change
it.
Thanks
Mike
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?KIS-List
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
Good luck! I am waiting on my prop to come back from Sensenich, probably
another 4 weeks.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
No update on my testing yet. I'm waiting to get my exhaust back
and fixing a few little things. Hopefully I'll be able to fly late next
week with my new exhaust and hopefully with lower oil temps.
Scott
--- On Wed, 8/4/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote:
From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 10:36 AM
Hi Mike,
I agree with the others. I also used Zolotone and and a layer
of foil backed insulation on the cabin side of the firewall, mostly for
heat radiation. If you don't have at least 3/8" thick windows and
windscreen you won't get any measurable help from other insulation.
Spend the money on Zulu or Bose and ear plugs, like Scott, if necessary.
I use Clarity Aloft for added head clearance and they are ok in my TR-1
with an IO-240.
Scott, any updates on your phase one?
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi All,
For those who have already "done it" could you please
comment on how you finished the interior of your plane and whether you
added any sound damping material and what type and how would you change
it.
Thanks
Mike
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?KIS-List
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
FWIW I think Dave got it right with the way he set it up. A good ANR headset
is the way to go. I upgraded to the ZULU's and absolutely love them.
Galin
N819PR (formerly N92DT)
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:02 PM, David Tate <dptate49@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> For what it's worth
>
> I didn't worry about noise dampening. That is what the noise cancelling
> headsets were for. No muffler. Zolotone speckled paint on the interior
> above the waterline. A nice upholstery fabric below the waterline adhered
> by a 3M spray type pressure sensitive adhesive. Carpet was a matching,
> removable and relatively stiff doormat type material from Home Depot.
>
> Dave Tate (formerly N92DT)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Mike Pienaar <mjpienaar@shaw.ca>
> *To:* KISBUILDERS <kis-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, August 4, 2010 1:05:54 AM
>
> *Subject:* KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
>
> Hi All,
>
> For those who have already "done it" could you please comment on how you
> finished the interior of your plane and whether you added any sound damping
> material and what type and how would you change it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> **
>
>
> *
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>
> *
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>
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Subject: | Re: Interior finish and sound proofing |
Mike, I put a sound absorbing blanket on the inside of the firewall.
Then the floor was carpeted and the rest of the interior was covered
with wool material. Even with this, I require a Noise cancelling
headset. And yes, I would do it again. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pienaar
To: KISBUILDERS
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:05 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Interior finish and sound proofing
Hi All,
For those who have already "done it" could you please comment on how
you finished the interior of your plane and whether you added any sound
damping material and what type and how would you change it.
Thanks
Mike
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Subject: | Fwd: Control stop summary? |
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: tmclam@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:03:20 AM
Subject: Control stop summary?
While we are in a very valuable summary advice mode it should include what the
"KIS" gurus [Rich,OC,others] after seeing many KIS airplanes think are the best
" control stop"methods to use for all axis.
To beef up the Archives
Ted
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