---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/19/10: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - Re: Fw: Elevator Trailing Edge (Graham Brighton) 2. 07:51 AM - Elevator Trailing Edge () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:18 AM PST US From: "Graham Brighton" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Elevator Trailing Edge OC .. To answer ur queries ... The Silver Metal Can is the electric Flap actuator motor ...its mounted on an angle so it can clear the seat ... the drive shaft is flexible ...it isn't showing any visible signs of ware even though it is running well out of alignment as u can see in the pic ..... The short welded on lug/stopper which provides the limit of the stick aft travel ( when it reaches the alloy angle stopper screwed onto the console board ) was on the a/c as i purchased it ..it all looks original .. The throw travel of the stick fwd is provided for by the stick mounting bracket just contacting (hitting) onto the spar tunnel .. My TR1 was built by a US guy back in '97 .. named Duane Robinson ... It was his last build of seven different completed a/c ...one of which was a Helicopter ..yep truly amazing effort !!!!!!!! Later contracted Leukemia probably from the various plastics he was working with over many yrs.. responded to treatment and was thankfully still well when i last spoke to him 12 mths ago ... Got out to the Hanger today and refreshed my head about the Elevator Trailing Edge and have attached a Pic .. as the saying goes a picture tells a thousand words ... i could have saved a lot confusion by being clearer ... The Stepped edge i was trying to explain .... should have been better described as ' under molded step trailing edge' or something ..!! Can see the reason for the step ...as being a means of bringing the sandwich skins to a junction ... and it obviously works fine ...its just that it takes my attention and i wonder about the airflow there .. especially with regard to effects on 'stick feel' etc on other trailing edge profiles .. Anyway other more pressing items to deal with ..like the Engine build that is still under way ... Cheers Graham .. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:30 AM Subject: KIS-List: Fw: Elevator Trailing Edge > 8/18/2010 > > Hello Graham, Thanks for your most gracious response and the pictures. I'd > like to ask some questions / make some comments regarding the pictures: > > 1) In the bottom center of picture _57 there is a silver colored metal can > with a cable like projection coming out to the right and entering the > console. What is the purpose of this can? > > 2) On the round rotating control cross bar in this same picture there is a > short welded on bar stick out to the aft that appears to hit an angled > piece > of metal fastened to the center console for the purpose of a nose up > control > stick movement pitch stop. > > Was this short welded on bar part of the original kit provided piece and > intended for the purpose described above? > > What provides the stop for the nose down control stick movement? > > This short welded on bar, as well as the welded on mounting tab for the > aileron stop bolt, did not appear on the follow on square version of the > rotating cross bar in my kit #116. > > 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort > to > gather and understand knowledge." > > PS: Beautiful workmanship and paint job shown in picture _874. > > ================================================= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Brighton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: Elevator Trailing Edge > > >> G'Day back OC, >> No worries ...Have attached my elevator ...and a >> pic of my control stick stops ... Still wonder about how the airflow >> behaves on passing over our 'stepped' trailing edges as i haven't seen >> our >> 'stepped' set up before ... seems to work fine ..so don't a real reason >> to >> worry or anything ... its just that it seems a little er ..unusual ... >> >> Cheers >> >> Graham > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:04 AM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: Elevator Trailing Edge 8/19/2010 Hello Graham, Thanks for the answers. You wrote: 1) ".. named Duane Robinson.." And a huge tip of the Baker hat to Duane. I don't recall that name coming up previously in the KIS builders group. He must have been too busy building to fiddle around on a computer. Duane, are you out there? Your attached picture has generated a few more questions: A) I don't see any rudder control cable coming out the side of the fuselage and going to a rudder horn. How did Duane accomplish control of the rudder? B) Also I don't see any evidence of an exposed elevator pitch trim tab control horn. How did he accomplish control of the pitch trim tab? Duane appears to be a very innovative and clever builder. C) Note the round metal cover with the screw in the center that partially fills in the opening where the elevator spar goes through the fuselage. It appears that Duane used something like a Tinnerman A6914-1024-1 patch plate. Right now I am searching in vain to purchase some of these to cover holes in my wheel pants. Any ideas? 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." ============================================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Brighton" Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Elevator Trailing Edge > OC .. To answer ur queries ... The Silver Metal Can is the electric Flap > actuator motor ...its mounted on an angle so it can clear the seat ... the > drive shaft is flexible ...it isn't showing any visible signs of ware even > though it is running well out of alignment as u can see in the pic ..... > > The short welded on lug/stopper which provides the limit of the > stick aft travel ( when it reaches the alloy angle stopper screwed onto > the > console board ) was on the a/c as i purchased it ..it all looks original > .. > The throw travel of the stick fwd is provided for by the stick mounting > bracket just contacting (hitting) onto the spar tunnel .. > > My TR1 was built by a US guy back in '97 .. named Duane Robinson ... It > was > his last build of seven different completed a/c ...one of which was a > Helicopter ..yep truly amazing effort !!!!!!!! Later contracted Leukemia > probably from the various plastics he was working with over many yrs.. > responded to treatment and was thankfully still well when i last spoke to > him 12 mths ago ... > > Got out to the Hanger today and refreshed my head about the Elevator > Trailing Edge and have attached a Pic .. as the saying goes a picture > tells a thousand words ... i could have saved a lot confusion by being > clearer ... The Stepped edge i was trying to explain .... should have been > better described as ' under molded step trailing edge' or something ..!! > > Can see the reason for the step ...as being a means of bringing the > sandwich > skins to a junction ... and it obviously works fine ...its just that it > takes my attention and i wonder about the airflow there .. especially with > regard to effects on 'stick feel' etc on other trailing edge profiles .. > > Anyway other more pressing items to deal with ..like the Engine build that > is still under way ... > > Cheers > Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.