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1. 05:04 AM - Re: KIS TR-1 Controls (Graham Brighton)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: TR-1 Elevator (Graham Brighton)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: Fw: Elevator Trailing Edge (Keith.Miller@esa.int)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: KIS TR-1 Controls ()
5. 06:34 AM - KIS TR-1 Kit Modifications ()
6. 06:46 AM - KIS TR-1 Joggle Location ()
7. 09:03 AM - Door Latch Summary? (tmclam@comcast.net)
8. 09:36 AM - Door Latch Summary? ()
9. 11:40 AM - Re: Door Latch Summary? (F. Tim Yoder)
10. 11:57 AM - Re: TR-1 Elevator (F. Tim Yoder)
11. 02:06 PM - Re: Door Latch Summary? (Scott Stearns)
12. 08:52 PM - Re: Door Latch Summary? (Galin Hernandez)
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| Subject: | Re: KIS TR-1 Controls |
OC...
I have the Navaid wing leveler that was in the panel already .. i
have coupled it to my AVmap gps and it works fine .. also the turn the plane
by 'knob' is fun too .... realize the navaid is early gear now ...but can u
give a brief run down on how the latest say Trio unit is better ..? ( as i
have toyed with this possible upgrade too ..)
Graham
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----- Original Message -----
From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
<gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:34 AM
Subject: KIS-List: KIS TR-1 Controls
>
> 8/22/2010
>
> Hello Graham, You wrote:
> 1) "Sorry not a big help on the rudder cable set up.."
>
> No problem -- just curious about how Duane accomplished that. My solution
> was a bell crank terminating the rudder cables with a push rod going to a
> shortened rudder horn.
>
> 2) "will have to climb in back there and check its not wearing apart
> though"
>
> I created a removable inspection panel on the lower left side of the
> fuselage for access to the bell crank and associated connections.
>
> 3) "My TR1 came with shortened sticks" and ".... much heavier Stick
> forces....."
>
> Even with my extended pilot's control stick the ailerons are still very
> heavy -- I noticed this same thing when I flew Rich's plane prior to
> buying my kit. It is a nuisance flying my plane from the copilot's seat
> because one has to reach down between their thighs with the tips of their
> fingers to reach the very top of the stick grip.
>
> 4) "I built in a twist lock from a telescoping painting handle"
>
> Clever solution.
>
> 5) "with say wing-leveler engaged working the lapboard while xcountry"
>
> I recently replaced my Navaid autopilot controller with a Trio Avionics E
> Z Pilot controller (kept the Navaid servo). This was a great leap forward
> in capability.
>
> http://www.trioavionics.com/ez_pilot.htm
>
> 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort
> to gather and understand knowledge."
>
> =================================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
> To: <bakerocb@cox.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Elevator Trailing Edge
>
>
>> Hi Back ..
>>
>> Sorry not a big help on the rudder cable set up .... will
>> have to climb in back there and check its not wearing apart though .!!
>>
>> Re the C/Stick assembly ... A local maintenance guy told me that our set
>> up
>> is taken direct from Lancair and as our Flap area is much larger ...its
>> the
>> reason we have much heavier Stick forces ... (and may be something to do
>> with some kits having/not having lugs stoppers or or .. ?)
>> Also the Lancair theory maybe complete BS ...!?
>>
>> My TR1 came with shortened sticks that made the ailerons even heavier ...
>> The short stick was however handy for map reading and lapboard use etc
>> ... I
>> thought about reworking the linkage ratios ..but that is quite a task ...
>> as
>> a quick fix i modded up the c'stick to 'telescope ' ... down short with
>> say
>> wing-leveler engaged working the lapboard while xcountry .. or extended
>> long
>> for lighter ailerons for local flying .. sounds very ..er
>> ..unconventional
>> ..and mite spook so guys .. works fine to a point ...only thing is the
>> pitch
>> and roll are still very unequal (un-harmonized ) ...plan on getting back
>> to
>> that some time ... off in the future though ..
>>
>> I built in a twist lock from a telescoping painting handle ....to make my
>> 'adjustable' c'stick ..!!.... proberbly bit too .. noval for many ..but
>> the
>> heavy ailerons bugged me ... but the cut down stick sure was handy
>> xcountry
>> ..so..!!
>>
>> Graham
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Elevator |
Tim,
Thought about checking that main gear to 'joggle' measurement
...but wasn't sure what the joggle was ..? ...but since thinking about
it guess it is the lip/edge that the cowl mounts onto ...yep .??
Wondering too.. if it was a building step in the manual to
'fill in' ( with micro balloons or some similar material ) the under
skin trailing stepped edges of the flaps/ailerons/elevators ..like u
have ...or whether u have added the 'fill in' as ur own individual touch
..?
Graham.
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----- Original Message -----
From: F. Tim Yoder
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Elevator
Hello Graham,
Yes, with the standard gear position I can hold the nose wheel off
after touch down,with my enlarged elevator. If you measure your stock
elevator you will know how much I extended mine. 1 1/2" I think.
At main gear touch down I have to be sure not to relax stick pressure
or the nose gear will drop. If you can measure your cowl joggle to main
gear center line you can compare yours with several others that "OC" has
on a spread sheet. As I understand it, if you wedge your main gear
forward it reduces the speed of the nose drop which reduces the need for
a larger elevator to hold the nose
Mine also came that way but I filled them in with micro balloons to
create the 3/16 to 1/4" squared off trailing edge.
Good to hear from you,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Brighton
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Elevator
G'Day Tim,
Thx for the great Pic's and measurements ... are
really helpful ... Am i understanding u rite that with standard Gear
position ..(not wedged) ..u can hold ur Nose wheel off after touch down
like say a cessna/cherokee ..or ..?
Also i presume we all have the same 'molded stepped ' trailing edge
on the under skin of our Flaps and Ailerons ...is that what u have as
well Tim ..?
Thx
Graham
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----- Original Message -----
From: F. Tim Yoder
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: KIS-List: TR-1
Hello 'OC' and Graham,
Attached are pictures of my horizontal stab. showing its
dimensions. I extended the cord of the elevator, but I forget how much.
For me, I have plenty of authority. The trailing edge is about 3/32"
thick. The trailing edge of my flaps and ailerons is 3/16" thick.
"OC" the pictures of my wheel pant are showing how I plugged my
holes with chrome caps from Home Depot.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Elevator Trailing Edge |
OC
At least on Kit #079, the short welded on bar stick out to the aft that
appears to hit an angled piece
of metal, was not included on my cross control bar , but it is a clever way
of limiting the travel of the horizontal stabilizer .
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8/18/2010
Hello Graham, Thanks for your most gracious response and the pictures. I'd
like to ask some questions / make some comments regarding the pictures:
1) In the bottom center of picture _57 there is a silver colored metal can
with a cable like projection coming out to the right and entering the
console. What is the purpose of this can?
2) On the round rotating control cross bar in this same picture there is a
short welded on bar stick out to the aft that appears to hit an angled piece
of metal fastened to the center console for the purpose of a nose up control
stick movement pitch stop.
Was this short welded on bar part of the original kit provided piece and
intended for the purpose described above?
What provides the stop for the nose down control stick movement?
This short welded on bar, as well as the welded on mounting tab for the
aileron stop bolt, did not appear on the follow on square version of the
rotating cross bar in my kit #116.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
PS: Beautiful workmanship and paint job shown in picture _874.
=================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Elevator Trailing Edge
> G'Day back OC,
> No worries ...Have attached my elevator ...and a
> pic of my control stick stops ... Still wonder about how the airflow
> behaves on passing over our 'stepped' trailing edges as i haven't seen our
> 'stepped' set up before ... seems to work fine ..so don't a real reason to
> worry or anything ... its just that it seems a little er ..unusual ...
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
[attachment "!cid_874.jpg" deleted by Keith Miller/estec/ESA] [attachment
"!cid_57.jpg" deleted by Keith Miller/estec/ESA]
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| Subject: | Re: KIS TR-1 Controls |
8/23/2010
Hello Graham, You wrote:
1) " i have coupled it to my AVmap gps and it works fine"
My Navaid controller was set up to accept either VOR or GPS as a signal
input for tracking, but I could never fine tune the pots to work properly in
a tracking mode. As a wing leveler / knob steerer it was OK.
2) "but can u give a brief run down on how the latest say Trio unit is
better"
My EZ Pilot controller is set up to only track the Garmin 430W inputs and it
tracks great. It does give me some additional GPS readouts without having to
change 430W settings.
I'd say that if your Navaid is tracking to your satisfaction there is
probably not sufficient reason to make the change over to the EZ Pilot.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
PS: I have also considered adding an EZ-1 altitude hold capability, but have
not gotten really serious about it:
http://www.trioavionics.com/alt_hold.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS TR-1 Controls
> OC...
> I have the Navaid wing leveler that was in the panel already ..
> i have coupled it to my AVmap gps and it works fine .. also the turn the
> plane by 'knob' is fun too .... realize the navaid is early gear now
> ...but can u give a brief run down on how the latest say Trio unit is
> better ..? ( as i have toyed with this possible upgrade too ..)
>
>
> Graham
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| Subject: | KIS TR-1 Kit Modifications |
8/23/2010
Hello Keith, You wrote: "At least on Kit #079, the short welded on bar
stick out to the aft that
appears to hit an angled piece of metal, was not included on my cross
control bar"
An interesting tid bit of information. It appears that Rich and his crew
were using a continuous product improvement concept in their kits. Adding
that short bar to the round fixed cross control bar and then later going to
the square cross section fixed cross control bar.
I wish that they were still in business.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Keith.Miller@esa.int>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Elevator Trailing Edge
>
> OC
> At least on Kit #079, the short welded on bar stick out to the aft that
> appears to hit an angled piece
> of metal, was not included on my cross control bar , but it is a clever
> way
> of limiting the travel of the horizontal stabilizer .
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| Subject: | KIS TR-1 Joggle Location |
8/23/2010
Hello Graham, You wrote: "but since thinking about it guess it is the
lip/edge that the cowl mounts onto ...yep .??"
You are correct in your thinking. Please see the attached Fs05a.bmp file.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Elevator
Tim,
Thought about checking that main gear to 'joggle' measurement ...but
wasn't sure what the joggle was ..? ...but since thinking about it guess it
is the lip/edge that the cowl mounts onto ...yep .??
Wondering too.. if it was a building step in the manual to 'fill
in' ( with micro balloons or some similar material ) the under skin trailing
stepped edges of the flaps/ailerons/elevators ..like u have ...or whether u
have added the 'fill in' as ur own individual touch ..?
Graham.
==================================================
.
----- Original Message -----
From: F. Tim Yoder
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Elevator
Hello Graham,
Yes, with the standard gear position I can hold the nose wheel off after
touch down,with my enlarged elevator. If you measure your stock elevator you
will know how much I extended mine. 1 1/2" I think.
At main gear touch down I have to be sure not to relax stick pressure or
the nose gear will drop. If you can measure your cowl joggle to main gear
center line you can compare yours with several others that "OC" has on a
spread sheet. As I understand it, if you wedge your main gear forward it
reduces the speed of the nose drop which reduces the need for a larger
elevator to hold the nose
Mine also came that way but I filled them in with micro balloons to create
the 3/16 to 1/4" squared off trailing edge.
Good to hear from you,
Tim
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| Subject: | Door Latch Summary? |
I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary information,but
at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch problem[loosing
doors inflight].
Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie farmer" has come up with
a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and cheap].
Respectfully
Ted
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| Subject: | Door Latch Summary? |
8/23/2010
Hello Ted, You wrote:
1) " could we look at the Door Latch problem[loosing doors inflight]. )
A very worthwhile endeavor.
2) "some " Aussie farmer" has come up with a simple add on that is" Quite"
good[and cheap]."
Well, I don't meet the criteria of A) "Aussie farmer" (never even been
there, but I was a Minnesota farmer); B) add on; nor C) cheap, but I did
install a modified Europa door latch system in my KIS TR-1 airplane that is
quite good. 300 plus hours with no door openings.
It may still be possible to buy the parts needed from the US Europa
distributor:
http://www.customflightcreations.com/index.html
If any one is interested I'll dig out and post more information.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
==================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: <tmclam@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:55 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Door Latch Summary?
>I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary
>information,but at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch
>problem[loosing doors inflight].
> Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie farmer" has come up
> with a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and cheap].
> Respectfully
> Ted
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Summary? |
Hello Ted,
Do you have a TR-1? Is it built or under construction?I have a TR-1 and
built the doors and latches per the manual except I added a mini dead
bolt to the right door, to positively lock that door in flight. I also
added a 1" X 4" leather pull strap screwed to the door just above the
handle. It has a piece of Velcro on the other end and after closing the
door it lays across the handle and is held into position by the Velcro.
This definitely qualifies for cheep! Works good, 400+ hrs and still have
the original doors!
I can take a couple pictures if are interested.
Tim
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From: tmclam@comcast.net
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Door Latch Summary?
I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary
information,but at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch
problem[loosing doors inflight].
Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie farmer" has
come up with a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and cheap].
Respectfully
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: TR-1 Elevator |
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Elevator
Graham, you asked:
Thought about checking that main gear to 'joggle' measurement
...but wasn't sure what the joggle was ..? ...but since thinking about
it guess it is the lip/edge that the cowl mounts onto ...yep .??
+++++"OC" covered this one in his response to you.. He is very
helpful! Thanks "OC"
Wondering too.. if it was a building step in the manual to
'fill in' ( with micro balloons or some similar material ) the under
skin trailing stepped edges of the flaps/ailerons/elevators ..like u
have ...or whether u have added the 'fill in' as ur own individual touch
..?
+++++ No, it was not in the manual. I filled it in to get the
airodynamics benefit also ai thought it looked better.
Caution: As you know, anytime you add weight to the trailing edge of a
control surface it requires more counter balance weight.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: F. Tim Yoder
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Elevator
Hello Graham,
Yes, with the standard gear position I can hold the nose wheel off
after touch down,with my enlarged elevator. If you measure your stock
elevator you will know how much I extended mine. 1 1/2" I think.
At main gear touch down I have to be sure not to relax stick
pressure or the nose gear will drop. If you can measure your cowl joggle
to main gear center line you can compare yours with several others that
"OC" has on a spread sheet. As I understand it, if you wedge your main
gear forward it reduces the speed of the nose drop which reduces the
need for a larger elevator to hold the nose
Mine also came that way but I filled them in with micro balloons to
create the 3/16 to 1/4" squared off trailing edge.
Good to hear from you,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Brighton
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: TR-1 Elevator
G'Day Tim,
Thx for the great Pic's and measurements ...
are really helpful ... Am i understanding u rite that with standard Gear
position ..(not wedged) ..u can hold ur Nose wheel off after touch down
like say a cessna/cherokee ..or ..?
Also i presume we all have the same 'molded stepped ' trailing
edge on the under skin of our Flaps and Ailerons ...is that what u have
as well Tim ..?
Thx
Graham
.
----- Original Message -----
From: F. Tim Yoder
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: KIS-List: TR-1
Hello 'OC' and Graham,
Attached are pictures of my horizontal stab. showing its
dimensions. I extended the cord of the elevator, but I forget how much.
For me, I have plenty of authority. The trailing edge is about 3/32"
thick. The trailing edge of my flaps and ailerons is 3/16" thick.
"OC" the pictures of my wheel pant are showing how I plugged my
holes with chrome caps from Home Depot.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Summary? |
It seems that the factory door latch system works as long as both the front
and rear pins are engaged.=C2- It's pretty easy to close the door and ha
ve the front pin engage properly, but the rear pin be on the outside of the
fuselage.=C2- It only takes once and the door=C2-will probably come of
f in flight.=C2-
=C2-
My door latch is totally different and there are pictures on bob's website.
=C2- I think it's pretty bullet proof, cheap and simple.=C2-
=C2-
Scott
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From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door Latch Summary?
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Hello Ted,
=C2-
Do you have a TR-1? Is it built or under construction?I have a TR-1 and bui
lt the doors and latches per the manual except I added a mini dead bolt to
the right door, to positively lock that door in flight. I also added a 1" X
4" leather pull strap screwed to the door just above the=C2- handle. It
has a piece of Velcro on the other end and after closing the door it lays a
cross the=C2-handle and is=C2-held into position by the Velcro.=C2-
=C2-This definitely qualifies for cheep! Works good, 400+ hrs and still h
ave the original doors!
=C2-
I can take a couple pictures if are interested.
=C2-
Tim
=C2-
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From: tmclam@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: KIS-List: Door Latch Summary?
I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary info
rmation,but at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch problem
[loosing doors inflight].
=C2-Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie farmer" has com
e up with a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and cheap].
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Summary? |
I have the Hendricks latch system with 3 modifications.
1 - a strike plate that lowers with the latch (Ted Scott Modification)
2 - a small spring preventing the latchs to wiggle/work its way open
http://puertoricoflyer.com/images/Latch%20Handle3%20-%20Normal%20Position.j
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http://puertoricoflyer.com/images/Latch%20Handle4%20-%20Held%20Open.jpg
3 - A piece of Velcro covering the top of the handle helping to keep the
latch down and providing a "soft" area to lay your elbow on.
After two separate in-flight door opening incidents I am very careful about
door latches.
Galin
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It seems that the factory door latch system works as long as both the
> front and rear pins are engaged. It's pretty easy to close the door and
> have the front pin engage properly, but the rear pin be on the outside of
> the fuselage. It only takes once and the door will probably come off in
> flight.
>
> My door latch is totally different and there are pictures on bob's
> website. I think it's pretty bullet proof, cheap and simple.
>
> Scott
>
> --- On *Mon, 8/23/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>* wrote:
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>
> From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door Latch Summary?
>
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:35 AM
>
> =EF=BB
> Hello Ted,
>
> Do you have a TR-1? Is it built or under construction?I have a TR-1 and
> built the doors and latches per the manual except I added a mini dead bol
t
> to the right door, to positively lock that door in flight. I also added a
1"
> X 4" leather pull strap screwed to the door just above the handle. It ha
s a
> piece of Velcro on the other end and after closing the door it lays acros
s
> the handle and is held into position by the Velcro. This definitely
> qualifies for cheep! Works good, 400+ hrs and still have the original doo
rs!
>
> I can take a couple pictures if are interested.
>
> Tim
>
>
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> *From:* tmclam@comcast.net<http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to
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> *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 8:55 AM
> *Subject:* KIS-List: Door Latch Summary?
>
> I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary
> information,but at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch
> problem[loosing doors inflight].
> Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie farmer" has come u
p
> with a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and cheap].
> Respectfully
> Ted
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