---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/09/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Fw: Photo Details () 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Fw: Photo Details (John Forster) 3. 07:11 AM - Re: Fw: Photo Details (ALFRED ROSA) 4. 02:36 PM - Re: Fw: Photo Details (ALFRED ROSA) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:20 AM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: Fw: Photo Details 9/9/2010 Hello Mike, You wrote: 1) "What are the items that I circled in red that you use to hold down your fuel lines?" Those are my patented 90 degree fiberglass brackets -- you can use them by paying me a huge royalty fund -- just kidding. I made a bunch of 90 degree fiberglass brackets by laying up several layers of fiber glass along the corner of a 2 inch X 4 inch wooden stud (chosen because the corner was slightly rounded) that had been covered with packaging tape so the epoxy would not stick. The layup can be as long as you desire depending upon how many brackets you wish to make. Each leg of the bracket can be as wide as you wish -- see the larger brackets with the clip nuts that are used for mounting the console cover and also on the front of the wing box for mounting an aluminum angle that protects the fuel lines leading from the wings into the fuel valve. The leg length of the brackets can either be cut with a knife while the layup is still fairly soft or cut with a band or jig saw after the layup is cured and popped off the 2 X 4. After the layup is cured and removed from the 2 X 4 a band saw or jig saw is used to cut the layup into individual brackets of the width desired. Holes are then drilled into the legs of each individual bracket for the purpose of: A) Using a tie wrap / zip tie -- as you see with the fuel lines; http://tiewraps.com/zip_tie_selection_page.html B) Installing a clip nut -- as you see with the console cover mounting brackets; C) Permitting some epoxy to ooze through a hole (or two) on the side being fastened to the structure to provide better adherence. My favorite mounting epoxy for these brackets is a two part epoxy gel, something like this: http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=338 that you can buy from a good hardware store -- quick, convenient, economical. 2) "Is there anything else that you can recommend to hold wiring and/or fuel lines in place." Not that comes to mind right off -- these brackets have done every job for me and I have used them throughout the plane for all sorts of mountings. 3) "Keep well." As long as Kentucky keeps making bourbon by the barrel I intend to be very well. 4) "Thanks for your help." You are welcome -- Have fun. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: A few points that this photo brings to mind: 1) The fuel tank selection valve is unfortunately located right under the flap handle when the flaps are up -- this is inconvenient and I wish that I had located the valve further foward. 2) The neat recess for the fuel valve handle is a stainless steel measuring cup. 3) The little electric heater mounted on the console is useless for heat and generates noise on the radio. It has been removed. ================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Photo Details Hi OC, A while back you sent me the photo that I have attached here. What are the items that I circled in red that you use to hold down your fuel lines? Is there anything else that you can recommend to hold wiring and/or fuel lines in place. Thanks for your help Keep well Mike ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: KIS-List: Fw: Photo Details From: "John Forster" OC (and all), I've done the 90 degree fiberglass brackets as well, and they are great. Just one more hint: If I'm mounting them to a honeycomb panel, I'll drill a hole through the bracket and the top skin of the honeycomb panel. Then I'll put on the epoxy and rivet the bracket on with an aluminum pop rivet. It holds the part in place while curing, and provides better tension strength than the epoxy alone. John Forster -----Original Message----- From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bakerocb@cox.net Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:20 AM Subject: KIS-List: Fw: Photo Details 9/9/2010 Hello Mike, You wrote: 1) "What are the items that I circled in red that you use to hold down your fuel lines?" Those are my patented 90 degree fiberglass brackets -- you can use them by paying me a huge royalty fund -- just kidding. I made a bunch of 90 degree fiberglass brackets by laying up several layers of fiber glass along the corner of a 2 inch X 4 inch wooden stud (chosen because the corner was slightly rounded) that had been covered with packaging tape so the epoxy would not stick. The layup can be as long as you desire depending upon how many brackets you wish to make. Each leg of the bracket can be as wide as you wish -- see the larger brackets with the clip nuts that are used for mounting the console cover and also on the front of the wing box for mounting an aluminum angle that protects the fuel lines leading from the wings into the fuel valve. The leg length of the brackets can either be cut with a knife while the layup is still fairly soft or cut with a band or jig saw after the layup is cured and popped off the 2 X 4. After the layup is cured and removed from the 2 X 4 a band saw or jig saw is used to cut the layup into individual brackets of the width desired. Holes are then drilled into the legs of each individual bracket for the purpose of: A) Using a tie wrap / zip tie -- as you see with the fuel lines; http://tiewraps.com/zip_tie_selection_page.html B) Installing a clip nut -- as you see with the console cover mounting brackets; C) Permitting some epoxy to ooze through a hole (or two) on the side being fastened to the structure to provide better adherence. My favorite mounting epoxy for these brackets is a two part epoxy gel, something like this: http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=338 that you can buy from a good hardware store -- quick, convenient, economical. 2) "Is there anything else that you can recommend to hold wiring and/or fuel lines in place." Not that comes to mind right off -- these brackets have done every job for me and I have used them throughout the plane for all sorts of mountings. 3) "Keep well." As long as Kentucky keeps making bourbon by the barrel I intend to be very well. 4) "Thanks for your help." You are welcome -- Have fun. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." PS: A few points that this photo brings to mind: 1) The fuel tank selection valve is unfortunately located right under the flap handle when the flaps are up -- this is inconvenient and I wish that I had located the valve further foward. 2) The neat recess for the fuel valve handle is a stainless steel measuring cup. 3) The little electric heater mounted on the console is useless for heat and generates noise on the radio. It has been removed. ================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pienaar" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Photo Details Hi OC, A while back you sent me the photo that I have attached here. What are the items that I circled in red that you use to hold down your fuel lines? Is there anything else that you can recommend to hold wiring and/or fuel lines in place. Thanks for your help Keep well Mike ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Photo Details From: ALFRED ROSA I used a method of attaching lines which would allow easy snap-out and snap-in attaching / detaching. Using 3/8" medium hard rubber with a hole the diameter of the line. A slot is cut to the hole to push the line in and out. The rubber is adhered with epoxy or Gorilla Glue. See photo (excuse the dust). Al Rosa On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:40 AM, John Forster wrote: > > OC (and all), > > I've done the 90 degree fiberglass brackets as well, and they are great. > Just one more hint: If I'm mounting them to a honeycomb panel, I'll > drill a hole through the bracket and the top skin of the honeycomb > panel. Then I'll put on the epoxy and rivet the bracket on with an > aluminum pop rivet. It holds the part in place while curing, and > provides better tension strength than the epoxy alone. > > John Forster > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > bakerocb@cox.net > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:20 AM > To: KIS-LIST, MATRONICS; Mike Pienaar > Subject: KIS-List: Fw: Photo Details > > 9/9/2010 > > Hello Mike, You wrote: > > 1) "What are the items that I circled in red that you use to hold down > your > fuel lines?" > > Those are my patented 90 degree fiberglass brackets -- you can use them > by > paying me a huge royalty fund -- just kidding. > > I made a bunch of 90 degree fiberglass brackets by laying up several > layers > of fiber glass along the corner of a 2 inch X 4 inch wooden stud (chosen > > because the corner was slightly rounded) that had been covered with > packaging tape so the epoxy would not stick. The layup can be as long as > you > desire depending upon how many brackets you wish to make. > > Each leg of the bracket can be as wide as you wish -- see the larger > brackets with the clip nuts that are used for mounting the console cover > and > also on the front of the wing box for mounting an aluminum angle that > protects the fuel lines leading from the wings into the fuel valve. The > leg > length of the brackets can either be cut with a knife while the layup is > > still fairly soft or cut with a band or jig saw after the layup is cured > and > popped off the 2 X 4. > > After the layup is cured and removed from the 2 X 4 a band saw or jig > saw is > used to cut the layup into individual brackets of the width desired. > > Holes are then drilled into the legs of each individual bracket for the > purpose of: > > A) Using a tie wrap / zip tie -- as you see with the fuel lines; > > http://tiewraps.com/zip_tie_selection_page.html > > B) Installing a clip nut -- as you see with the console cover mounting > brackets; > > C) Permitting some epoxy to ooze through a hole (or two) on the side > being > fastened to the structure to provide better adherence. > > My favorite mounting epoxy for these brackets is a two part epoxy gel, > something like this: > > http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=338 > > that you can buy from a good hardware store -- quick, convenient, > economical. > > 2) "Is there anything else that you can recommend to hold wiring and/or > fuel > lines in place." > > Not that comes to mind right off -- these brackets have done every job > for > me and I have used them throughout the plane for all sorts of mountings. > > 3) "Keep well." > > As long as Kentucky keeps making bourbon by the barrel I intend to be > very > well. > > 4) "Thanks for your help." > > You are welcome -- Have fun. > > 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort > to > gather and understand knowledge." > > PS: A few points that this photo brings to mind: > > 1) The fuel tank selection valve is unfortunately located right under > the > flap handle when the flaps are up -- this is inconvenient and I wish > that I > had located the valve further foward. > > 2) The neat recess for the fuel valve handle is a stainless steel > measuring > cup. > > 3) The little electric heater mounted on the console is useless for heat > and > generates noise on the radio. It has been removed. > > ================================================================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Pienaar" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:48 PM > Subject: Photo Details > > > Hi OC, > > A while back you sent me the photo that I have attached here. What are > the > items that I circled in red that you use to hold down your fuel lines? > > Is there anything else that you can recommend to hold wiring and/or fuel > > lines in place. > > Thanks for your help > > Keep well > > Mike > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fw: Photo Details From: ALFRED ROSA PS: A few points that this photo brings to mind: 1) The fuel tank selection valve is unfortunately located right under the flap handle when the flaps are up -- this is inconvenient and I wish that I had located the valve further foward. It's not to late to move it and you should for safety sake. This will forever haunt you if you leave it. 2) The neat recess for the fuel valve handle is a stainless steel measuring cup. You can leave that as a cup holder, or for change for parking meters, etc. 3) The little electric heater mounted on the console is useless for heat and generates noise on the radio. It has been removed. Good move, or I should say, good remove. 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