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Thu 10/21/10


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     1. 12:14 AM - Re: fuel seepage (Scott Stearns)
     2. 06:36 AM - Re: fuel seepage (F. Tim Yoder)
     3. 09:40 AM - Re: fuel seepage (Scott Stearns)
     4. 01:55 PM - Re: fuel seepage (Graham Brighton)
     5. 10:31 PM - Re: fuel seepage (Scott Stearns)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:14:04 AM PST US
    From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: fuel seepage
    It's not really much a set back, but I'm concerned about the-long term ef fects knowing that there is fuel in the laminate.- I think I've gotten al l the fuel seepages plugged and I'll touch up the paint so you can't tell. - I have some test samples soaking in fuel and it doesn't seem to be havi ng any effect. - This is just one of a number of little things I'm fixing while the landing gear of off and being bent to the correct angle. - Scott --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> wrote: From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, -------------- No advice here ...but just to sa y ...sorry hear about the set back ...grrr ...!!! - Graham . - - . - . ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Larry, - The seepage started fairly soon after I put a significant amount of fuel in it.- After playing with the scrap laminate and fuel it looks like it wou ld only take a small area to be exposed which is probably what's happening. - - Scott --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote: From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, When I was having my gasohol problems, you gave me the Jeffco 9700 i dea and it solved my leakeage problem.- I am surprised that fuel is getti ng past the Jeffco 9700.--Is it possible that somehing has happened to the wing during your test flights?--Something seems to have changed.- Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott I should have asked what the foam core is.- The fact that the carbo n cloth is porus is understandable but I was always under the belief that c losed cell foam would not pass the fuel.- This is one of the reason I use d it..- I would definately do a pressure check on the wing based on your discription of seapage.- Fuel is funny though.- Those fuel molecules ar e sneaky little bastards. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Rich, - I have a laminate that is just like the wing laminate.- I poured a pool o f fuel on top of it and it readily soaked thru the laminate and through the foam core.- The carbon was somewhat low resin content and I didn't use g lue sheet in the wing skins. - I also had areas in the wingtip where fuel was seeping out of the wing skin -laminate.- Also some of the areas around the-screws that hold the lo wer wing root fairing on are pretty badly blue stained. - Scott - --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott If the fuel stains are around the aileron screws I think your problem may b e fuel coming out of the cap.-I also had this problem and found that leav ing the tanks a little low solved the problem.- During flight you cannot see the fuel coming out but it does.--Check your fuel caps.- -I dou bt very much that fuel would seep that far through the foam core.- The co re is closed cell so the only way fuel could travel is along the skin/core bond.- Have you tested the tank for air leakage with a monometer.- I wo uld start there and take it step by step. Rich --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: KIS-List: fuel seepage My right wing has a lot of small places where fuel is seeping out of the la minate.- For instance some of the screws that hold the aileron on-have blue stains around them.- It's pretty clear that fuel has gotten into the wing skin sandwich panel and is wicking through laminate and foam.- The left wing doesn't have any fuel seeps. - The top right wing skin also has a lot of the weave showing through which m ight be related to the fuel getting to the panel. - I'm a bit surprised since the fuel tanks have two coat of the jeffco fuel s ealer in them.- I played around with some sandwich panel that is the same material as the wing skin (but without fuel sealer)-and fuel soaks throu gh the laminate and through the foam core easily. - Anyone have any thoughts?-- Should I worry or is this common?- - Scott =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ://www.matronics..com/Navigator?KIS-List ics.com matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 06:36:18 AM PST US
    From: "F. Tim Yoder" <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com>
    Subject: Re: fuel seepage
    Scott, How did you plug the seeps? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:12 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage It's not really much a set back, but I'm concerned about the long term effects knowing that there is fuel in the laminate. I think I've gotten all the fuel seepages plugged and I'll touch up the paint so you can't tell. I have some test samples soaking in fuel and it doesn't seem to be having any effect. This is just one of a number of little things I'm fixing while the landing gear of off and being bent to the correct angle. Scott --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> wrote: From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 4:43 AM Scott, No advice here ...but just to say ...sorry hear about the set back ...grrr ...!!! Graham . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Larry, The seepage started fairly soon after I put a significant amount of fuel in it. After playing with the scrap laminate and fuel it looks like it would only take a small area to be exposed which is probably what's happening. Scott --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote: From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:38 PM Scott, When I was having my gasohol problems, you gave me the Jeffco 9700 idea and it solved my leakeage problem. I am surprised that fuel is getting past the Jeffco 9700. Is it possible that somehing has happened to the wing during your test flights? Something seems to have changed. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott I should have asked what the foam core is. The fact that the carbon cloth is porus is understandable but I was always under the belief that closed cell foam would not pass the fuel. This is one of the reason I used it.. I would definately do a pressure check on the wing based on your discription of seapage. Fuel is funny though. Those fuel molecules are sneaky little bastards. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:02 PM Hi Rich, I have a laminate that is just like the wing laminate. I poured a pool of fuel on top of it and it readily soaked thru the laminate and through the foam core. The carbon was somewhat low resin content and I didn't use glue sheet in the wing skins. I also had areas in the wingtip where fuel was seeping out of the wing skin laminate. Also some of the areas around the screws that hold the lower wing root fairing on are pretty badly blue stained. Scott --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:27 AM Scott If the fuel stains are around the aileron screws I think your problem may be fuel coming out of the cap. I also had this problem and found that leaving the tanks a little low solved the problem. During flight you cannot see the fuel coming out but it does. Check your fuel caps. I doubt very much that fuel would seep that far through the foam core. The core is closed cell so the only way fuel could travel is along the skin/core bond. Have you tested the tank for air leakage with a monometer. I would start there and take it step by step. Rich --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:01 AM My right wing has a lot of small places where fuel is seeping out of the laminate. For instance some of the screws that hold the aileron on have blue stains around them. It's pretty clear that fuel has gotten into the wing skin sandwich panel and is wicking through laminate and foam. The left wing doesn't have any fuel seeps. The top right wing skin also has a lot of the weave showing through which might be related to the fuel getting to the panel. I'm a bit surprised since the fuel tanks have two coat of the jeffco fuel sealer in them. I played around with some sandwich panel that is the same material as the wing skin (but without fuel sealer) and fuel soaks through the laminate and through the foam core easily. Anyone have any thoughts? Should I worry or is this common? 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    Time: 09:40:38 AM PST US
    From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: fuel seepage
    I pumped all the fuel to the other side and the just used epoxy to paint ov er the areas.- I drilled oversize some of the screw-holes and filled th em with flox and redirlled the hole. - Scott --- On Thu, 10/21/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote: From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, - How did you plug the seeps? - Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:12 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage It's not really much a set back, but I'm concerned about the-long term ef fects knowing that there is fuel in the laminate.- I think I've gotten al l the fuel seepages plugged and I'll touch up the paint so you can't tell. - I have some test samples soaking in fuel and it doesn't seem to be havi ng any effect. - This is just one of a number of little things I'm fixing while the landing gear of off and being bent to the correct angle. - Scott --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> wrote: From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, -------------- No advice here ...but just to sa y ...sorry hear about the set back ...grrr ...!!! - Graham . - - . - . ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Larry, - The seepage started fairly soon after I put a significant amount of fuel in it.- After playing with the scrap laminate and fuel it looks like it wou ld only take a small area to be exposed which is probably what's happening. - - Scott --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote: From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, When I was having my gasohol problems, you gave me the Jeffco 9700 i dea and it solved my leakeage problem.- I am surprised that fuel is getti ng past the Jeffco 9700.--Is it possible that somehing has happened to the wing during your test flights?--Something seems to have changed.- Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott I should have asked what the foam core is.- The fact that the carbo n cloth is porus is understandable but I was always under the belief that c losed cell foam would not pass the fuel.- This is one of the reason I use d it..- I would definately do a pressure check on the wing based on your discription of seapage.- Fuel is funny though.- Those fuel molecules ar e sneaky little bastards. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Rich, - I have a laminate that is just like the wing laminate.- I poured a pool o f fuel on top of it and it readily soaked thru the laminate and through the foam core.- The carbon was somewhat low resin content and I didn't use g lue sheet in the wing skins. - I also had areas in the wingtip where fuel was seeping out of the wing skin -laminate.- Also some of the areas around the-screws that hold the lo wer wing root fairing on are pretty badly blue stained. - Scott - --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott If the fuel stains are around the aileron screws I think your problem may b e fuel coming out of the cap.-I also had this problem and found that leav ing the tanks a little low solved the problem.- During flight you cannot see the fuel coming out but it does.--Check your fuel caps.- -I dou bt very much that fuel would seep that far through the foam core.- The co re is closed cell so the only way fuel could travel is along the skin/core bond.- Have you tested the tank for air leakage with a monometer.- I wo uld start there and take it step by step. Rich --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: KIS-List: fuel seepage My right wing has a lot of small places where fuel is seeping out of the la minate.- For instance some of the screws that hold the aileron on-have blue stains around them.- It's pretty clear that fuel has gotten into the wing skin sandwich panel and is wicking through laminate and foam.- The left wing doesn't have any fuel seeps. - The top right wing skin also has a lot of the weave showing through which m ight be related to the fuel getting to the panel. - I'm a bit surprised since the fuel tanks have two coat of the jeffco fuel s ealer in them.- I played around with some sandwich panel that is the same material as the wing skin (but without fuel sealer)-and fuel soaks throu gh the laminate and through the foam core easily. - Anyone have any thoughts?-- Should I worry or is this common?- - Scott =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ://www.matronics..com/Navigator?KIS-List ics.com matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 01:55:25 PM PST US
    From: "Graham Brighton" <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
    Subject: Re: fuel seepage
    Err ... Scott ..so how did u get insde the tank to seal the leaks ...or ..or ....confused ....? Graham . ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:36 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage I pumped all the fuel to the other side and the just used epoxy to paint over the areas. I drilled oversize some of the screw holes and filled them with flox and redirlled the hole. Scott --- On Thu, 10/21/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote: From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 6:30 AM Scott, How did you plug the seeps? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:12 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage It's not really much a set back, but I'm concerned about the long term effects knowing that there is fuel in the laminate. I think I've gotten all the fuel seepages plugged and I'll touch up the paint so you can't tell. I have some test samples soaking in fuel and it doesn't seem to be having any effect. This is just one of a number of little things I'm fixing while the landing gear of off and being bent to the correct angle. Scott --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> wrote: From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 4:43 AM Scott, No advice here ...but just to say ...sorry hear about the set back ...grrr ...!!! Graham . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Larry, The seepage started fairly soon after I put a significant amount of fuel in it. After playing with the scrap laminate and fuel it looks like it would only take a small area to be exposed which is probably what's happening. Scott --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote: From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:38 PM Scott, When I was having my gasohol problems, you gave me the Jeffco 9700 idea and it solved my leakeage problem. I am surprised that fuel is getting past the Jeffco 9700. Is it possible that somehing has happened to the wing during your test flights? Something seems to have changed. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott I should have asked what the foam core is. The fact that the carbon cloth is porus is understandable but I was always under the belief that closed cell foam would not pass the fuel. This is one of the reason I used it.. I would definately do a pressure check on the wing based on your discription of seapage. Fuel is funny though. Those fuel molecules are sneaky little bastards. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:02 PM Hi Rich, I have a laminate that is just like the wing laminate. I poured a pool of fuel on top of it and it readily soaked thru the laminate and through the foam core. The carbon was somewhat low resin content and I didn't use glue sheet in the wing skins. I also had areas in the wingtip where fuel was seeping out of the wing skin laminate. Also some of the areas around the screws that hold the lower wing root fairing on are pretty badly blue stained. Scott --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:27 AM Scott If the fuel stains are around the aileron screws I think your problem may be fuel coming out of the cap. I also had this problem and found that leaving the tanks a little low solved the problem. During flight you cannot see the fuel coming out but it does. Check your fuel caps. I doubt very much that fuel would seep that far through the foam core. The core is closed cell so the only way fuel could travel is along the skin/core bond. Have you tested the tank for air leakage with a monometer. I would start there and take it step by step. Rich --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: KIS-List: fuel seepage To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 5:01 AM My right wing has a lot of small places where fuel is seeping out of the laminate. For instance some of the screws that hold the aileron on have blue stains around them. It's pretty clear that fuel has gotten into the wing skin sandwich panel and is wicking through laminate and foam. The left wing doesn't have any fuel seeps. The top right wing skin also has a lot of the weave showing through which might be related to the fuel getting to the panel. I'm a bit surprised since the fuel tanks have two coat of the jeffco fuel sealer in them. I played around with some sandwich panel that is the same material as the wing skin (but without fuel sealer) and fuel soaks through the laminate and through the foam core easily. Anyone have any thoughts? Should I worry or is this common? 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    Time: 10:31:32 PM PST US
    From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: fuel seepage
    oh sorry... I haven't thought about sealing the insides of the tanks yet. - I was referring to sealing the seeps on the outside.- - After playing with the fuel and composite laminates I have to think that mo st composite kit planes have fuel in the core to some degree even if its no t apparent-from the outside. - Scott --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> wrote: From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Err ... Scott ..so how did u get insde the tank to seal the leaks ...or ..o r ....confused ....? - Graham - . ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:36 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage I pumped all the fuel to the other side and the just used epoxy to paint ov er the areas.- I drilled oversize some of the screw-holes and filled th em with flox and redirlled the hole. - Scott --- On Thu, 10/21/10, F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> wrote: From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder@yoderbuilt.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, - How did you plug the seeps? - Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:12 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage It's not really much a set back, but I'm concerned about the-long term ef fects knowing that there is fuel in the laminate.- I think I've gotten al l the fuel seepages plugged and I'll touch up the paint so you can't tell. - I have some test samples soaking in fuel and it doesn't seem to be havi ng any effect. - This is just one of a number of little things I'm fixing while the landing gear of off and being bent to the correct angle. - Scott --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> wrote: From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, -------------- No advice here ...but just to sa y ...sorry hear about the set back ...grrr ...!!! - Graham . - - . - . ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Larry, - The seepage started fairly soon after I put a significant amount of fuel in it.- After playing with the scrap laminate and fuel it looks like it wou ld only take a small area to be exposed which is probably what's happening. - - Scott --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> wrote: From: Larry David <lgdavid@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott, When I was having my gasohol problems, you gave me the Jeffco 9700 i dea and it solved my leakeage problem.- I am surprised that fuel is getti ng past the Jeffco 9700.--Is it possible that somehing has happened to the wing during your test flights?--Something seems to have changed.- Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Trickel Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott I should have asked what the foam core is.- The fact that the carbo n cloth is porus is understandable but I was always under the belief that c losed cell foam would not pass the fuel.- This is one of the reason I use d it..- I would definately do a pressure check on the wing based on your discription of seapage.- Fuel is funny though.- Those fuel molecules ar e sneaky little bastards. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Hi Rich, - I have a laminate that is just like the wing laminate.- I poured a pool o f fuel on top of it and it readily soaked thru the laminate and through the foam core.- The carbon was somewhat low resin content and I didn't use g lue sheet in the wing skins. - I also had areas in the wingtip where fuel was seeping out of the wing skin -laminate.- Also some of the areas around the-screws that hold the lo wer wing root fairing on are pretty badly blue stained. - Scott - --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Richard Trickel <richard_trickel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KIS-List: fuel seepage Scott If the fuel stains are around the aileron screws I think your problem may b e fuel coming out of the cap.-I also had this problem and found that leav ing the tanks a little low solved the problem.- During flight you cannot see the fuel coming out but it does.--Check your fuel caps.- -I dou bt very much that fuel would seep that far through the foam core.- The co re is closed cell so the only way fuel could travel is along the skin/core bond.- Have you tested the tank for air leakage with a monometer.- I wo uld start there and take it step by step. Rich --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> Subject: KIS-List: fuel seepage My right wing has a lot of small places where fuel is seeping out of the la minate.- For instance some of the screws that hold the aileron on-have blue stains around them.- It's pretty clear that fuel has gotten into the wing skin sandwich panel and is wicking through laminate and foam.- The left wing doesn't have any fuel seeps. - The top right wing skin also has a lot of the weave showing through which m ight be related to the fuel getting to the panel. - I'm a bit surprised since the fuel tanks have two coat of the jeffco fuel s ealer in them.- I played around with some sandwich panel that is the same material as the wing skin (but without fuel sealer)-and fuel soaks throu gh the laminate and through the foam core easily. - Anyone have any thoughts?-- Should I worry or is this common?- - Scott =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ://www.matronics..com/Navigator?KIS-List ics.com matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A




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