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1. 07:45 AM - Re: KIS Sold (ted scott)
2. 10:29 AM - Re: KIS Sold (Mark Kettering)
3. 11:25 AM - Re: KIS Sold (John Petrie)
4. 11:35 AM - Re: KIS Sold (John Petrie)
5. 11:57 AM - Re: KIS Sold (jason@hills.org)
6. 01:02 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Scott Stearns)
7. 02:26 PM - KIS Sold ()
8. 05:36 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Mark Kettering)
9. 06:25 PM - Re: KIS Sold (BAERTLEIN@aol.com)
10. 06:26 PM - Re: KIS Sold (BAERTLEIN@aol.com)
11. 06:33 PM - Re: KIS Sold (jason@hills.org)
12. 06:48 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Mark Kettering)
13. 07:20 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Scott Stearns)
14. 07:21 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Scott Stearns)
15. 07:24 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Mark Kettering)
16. 07:55 PM - Re: KIS Sold II (Scott Stearns)
17. 07:55 PM - Re: KIS Sold (John Petrie)
18. 08:25 PM - Re: KIS Sold II (John Petrie)
19. 10:09 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Scott Stearns)
20. 10:48 PM - Re: KIS Sold (Jason Hills)
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KIS SoldHOW MUCH DID YOU SELL YOUR CRUISER FOR.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Petrie
To: KIS-List Digest Server
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:08 PM
Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Hi all,
It's been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly
filled by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a
result, I have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit
which I can enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft.
So, I was hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice
on which direction to follow.
I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do
like the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
Thanks in anticipation.
John
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Hi John,
Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you considered a TR1
with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser so would
be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And a lot less
money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360 but with the
same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should be as fast
or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same useful load.
Mark Kettering
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM
>To: KIS-List Digest Server <kis-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>Hi all,
>
>Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled
>by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I
>have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was
>hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
>direction to follow.
>I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
>the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>
>Thanks in anticipation.
>John
>
>
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$115 000
John
From: ted scott <teds532@wk.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
HOW MUCH DID YOU SELL YOUR CRUISER FOR.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: John Petrie <mailto:jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>
> To: KIS-List Digest Server <mailto:kis-list@matronics.com>
>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:08 PM
>
> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> It=B9s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly fil
led
> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result,
I
> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was h
oping
> someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which direction
to
> follow.
> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do li
ke
> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>
> Thanks in anticipation.
> John
>
>
>
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Hi Mark,
No, to be honest, I hadn't considered the TR-1. I didn't think they were
still available.
Are they?
John
> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:27:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you considered a
> TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser so
> would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And a
> lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360 but
> with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should be
> as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same useful
> load.
>
> Mark Kettering
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM
>> To: KIS-List Digest Server <kis-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled
>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I
>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was
>> hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
>> direction to follow.
>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation.
>> John
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Faster than an RV-7 might be a bit optimistic. I can almost keep up with an IO-360/180hp
RV-7 running lean of peak in my O-290-D2 powered TR-1c, but I'm pushing
pretty hard to do that. Not sure how much more an O-320 would get, although
in any case you'd be running really close to Vne if you could outrun an RV.
...Jason
Oct 26, 2010 11:37:45 AM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
==========================================
Hi Mark,
No, to be honest, I hadn't considered the TR-1. I didn't think they were
still available.
Are they?
John
> From: Mark Kettering
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:27:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> To:
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you considered a
> TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser so
> would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And a
> lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360 but
> with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should be
> as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same useful
> load.
>
> Mark Kettering
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Petrie
>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM
>> To: KIS-List Digest Server
>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled
>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I
>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was
>> hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
>> direction to follow.
>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation.
>> John
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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An RV fastbuild kit hands down.=C2- If you build the Cruiser then you'll
have that RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.=C2-
=C2-
The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for the kit, t
he engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher.=C2- It is fast, but
the landing speed is much higher too.=C2- Unless you do a lot of long ra
nge cross country and don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, then=C2
-I don't think you'll get a lot for the extra money.
=C2-
Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell.=C2- I kind of with I would
have built an RV.=C2-
=C2-
Scott
--- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Hi all,
It=99s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years
of successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly fi
lled by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result
, I have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I ca
n enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was ho
ping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which directi
on to follow.
I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
Thanks in anticipation.
John
=0A=0A=0A
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10/26/2010
Hello Mark, You wrote: "..... have you considered a TR1 with a big engine?"
Good recommendation.
But how would one go about acquiring a new KIS TR-1 (Pulsar 150) kit to
construct?
Would you send a bunch of money off to El Salvador, or wherever, in hopes of
eventually getting a complete KIS TR-1 (Pulsar 150) kit?
OC
==============================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kettering" <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Hi John,
Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you considered
a TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser so
would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And a
lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360 but
with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should
be as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same
useful load.
Mark Kettering
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Hi Jason,
You are almost keeping up with just 125 hp? Compared to 180hp in an RV7? Wow!
Just by that alone I would say your aircraft with 180 hp would have no problem
beating an RV7. Why not put an IO-360 in a TR1? Not just an O-320. Scott
did it.
The Vne of the TR1 is listed as 216 mph IAS. At 8k MSL this is about 250 mph true.
I do not think you will have a problem in this area.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: jason@hills.org
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 2:55 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
>Faster than an RV-7 might be a bit optimistic. I can almost keep up with an IO-360/180hp
RV-7 running lean of peak in my O-290-D2 powered TR-1c, but I'm pushing
pretty hard to do that. Not sure how much more an O-320 would get, although
in any case you'd be running really close to Vne if you could outrun an RV.
>
>...Jason
>
>
>Oct 26, 2010 11:37:45 AM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
>
>==========================================
>
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>No, to be honest, I hadn't considered the TR-1. I didn't think they were
>still available.
>Are they?
>
>John
>
>
>> From: Mark Kettering
>> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:27:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you considered
a
>> TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser so
>> would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And a
>> lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360 but
>> with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should be
>> as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same useful
>> load.
>>
>> Mark Kettering
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Petrie
>>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM
>>> To: KIS-List Digest Server
>>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled
>>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I
>>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was
>>> hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
>>> direction to follow.
>>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
>>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>>
>>> Thanks in anticipation.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I have a TR1 fuselage kit for sale ,if anyone is interested, and Pulsar has
a line on a new wing kit available in the states.
Thanks Keith
In a message dated 10/26/2010 4:26:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bakerocb@cox.net writes:
--> KIS-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
10/26/2010
Hello Mark, You wrote: "..... have you considered a TR1 with a big engine?"
Good recommendation.
But how would one go about acquiring a new KIS TR-1 (Pulsar 150) kit to
construct?
Would you send a bunch of money off to El Salvador, or wherever, in hopes
of
eventually getting a complete KIS TR-1 (Pulsar 150) kit?
OC
==============================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kettering" <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Hi John,
Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you
considered
a TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser
so
would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And
a
lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360
but
with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should
be as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same
useful load.
Mark Kettering
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I have a TR1
In a message dated 10/26/2010 4:26:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bakerocb@cox.net writes:
--> KIS-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
10/26/2010
Hello Mark, You wrote: "..... have you considered a TR1 with a big engine?"
Good recommendation.
But how would one go about acquiring a new KIS TR-1 (Pulsar 150) kit to
construct?
Would you send a bunch of money off to El Salvador, or wherever, in hopes
of
eventually getting a complete KIS TR-1 (Pulsar 150) kit?
OC
==============================================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kettering" <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Hi John,
Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you
considered
a TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser
so
would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And
a
lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360
but
with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should
be as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same
useful load.
Mark Kettering
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O-290-D2 is 135 or 140hp I believe.... I burn almost 1 gph less than the 180 hp
RV7 while nearly keeping up with him (I usually got off the ground ahead of him,
and he landed 5-10 minutes ahead of me on a 3-4 hr leg). I'd have to look
up the numbers, but I believe I used about 15% less fuel round trip Seattle to
OSH in 2009 compared to the RV-7 I was flying with. Of course if he went rich
of peak and pushed for max cruise speed I would have been left well behind, but
at a pretty steep cost in extra fuel.
So I'd say the TR-1 is more efficient than an RV7 (it's also a smaller cockpit).
With the same engine it should absolutely beat the RV7. On the other hand that's
a lot more engine than was originally put on the nose of the plane, and the
RV guys are tending to put on even bigger engines themselves (IO-390 etc).
I've done a few things to my plane to make it a bit more efficient. I picked up
almost 5 kts changing my wheels & wheelpants to Van's pressure recovery pants
for the RV-8, for example.
...Jason
Oct 26, 2010 05:37:52 PM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
==========================================
Hi Jason,
You are almost keeping up with just 125 hp? Compared to 180hp in an RV7? Wow!
Just by that alone I would say your aircraft with 180 hp would have no problem
beating an RV7. Why not put an IO-360 in a TR1? Not just an O-320. Scott
did it.
The Vne of the TR1 is listed as 216 mph IAS. At 8k MSL this is about 250 mph true.
I do not think you will have a problem in this area.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: jason@hills.org
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 2:55 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
>Faster than an RV-7 might be a bit optimistic. I can almost keep up with an IO-360/180hp
RV-7 running lean of peak in my O-290-D2 powered TR-1c, but I'm pushing
pretty hard to do that. Not sure how much more an O-320 would get, although
in any case you'd be running really close to Vne if you could outrun an RV.
>
>...Jason
>
>
>Oct 26, 2010 11:37:45 AM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
>
>==========================================
>
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>No, to be honest, I hadn't considered the TR-1. I didn't think they were
>still available.
>Are they?
>
>John
>
>
>> From: Mark Kettering
>> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:27:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you considered
a
>> TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser so
>> would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And a
>> lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360 but
>> with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should be
>> as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same useful
>> load.
>>
>> Mark Kettering
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Petrie
>>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM
>>> To: KIS-List Digest Server
>>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled
>>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I
>>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was
>>> hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
>>> direction to follow.
>>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
>>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>>
>>> Thanks in anticipation.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi Scott,
In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world. Fantastic fit, instructions,
factory support, third party support, options, resale value and much
more. But they are not the best aircraft. They are little more than a kit of
1960's designs like the Grummans or others. Compared to a more modern composite
aircraft they really are not all that good of performers. They tend to be
slower (for a given engine and stall speed), have less useful load and even with
being a great kit they still tend to cost a fair amount to finish and take
a fair amount of time. Most of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs empty weight! I
think even your big engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000 lbs. Or was it well under
900 lbs?
I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your plane is a
much better choice. Yes there are problems with the TR1. But at least the wings
tend to stay on.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 4:00 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>An RV fastbuild kit hands down. If you build the Cruiser then you'll have that
RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.
>
>The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for the kit, the
engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher. It is fast, but the landing
speed is much higher too. Unless you do a lot of long range cross country and
don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, thenI don't think you'll get a
lot for the extra money.
>
>Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell. I kind of with I would have built
an RV.
>
>Scott
>
>--- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>To: "KIS-List Digest Server" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:08 PM
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of successful
flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled by my family
appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I have just sold
my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can enjoy with my one son
who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was hoping someone on this list
could give me some useful advice on which direction to follow.
>I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like the
speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>
>Thanks in anticipation.
>John
>
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Hi Jason,
-
Do you have fairings on the gear legs?- tailwheel?
-
I'd talk to a good engine shop that does performance stuff (I used lycon in
CA) and see if they make high compression pistons for you engine and ask a
bout porting the heads.- My engine went from 180 to 220+ HP with 10:1 pis
tons and ported heads (227 was the best number, but he leaned it a little).
- I'd bet you could get close to 170 HP out of your-current engine with
much less money and work than a 360 conversion.
-
Scott
-
-
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, jason@hills.org <jason@hills.org> wrote:
From: jason@hills.org <jason@hills.org>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
O-290-D2 is 135 or 140hp I believe.... I burn almost 1 gph less than the 18
0 hp RV7 while nearly keeping up with him (I usually got off the ground ahe
ad of him, and he landed 5-10 minutes ahead of me on a 3-4 hr leg). I'd hav
e to look up the numbers, but I believe I used about 15% less fuel round tr
ip Seattle to OSH in 2009 compared to the RV-7 I was flying with. Of course
if he went rich of peak and pushed for max cruise speed I would have been
left well behind, but at a pretty steep cost in extra fuel.
So I'd say the TR-1 is more efficient than an RV7 (it's also a smaller cock
pit). With the same engine it should absolutely beat the RV7. On the other
hand that's a lot more engine than was originally put on the nose of the pl
ane, and the RV guys are tending to put on even bigger engines themselves (
IO-390 etc).
I've done a few things to my plane to make it a bit more efficient. I picke
d up almost 5 kts changing my wheels & wheelpants to Van's pressure recover
y pants for the RV-8, for example.
...Jason
Oct 26, 2010 05:37:52 PM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
=================
Hi Jason,
You are almost keeping up with just 125 hp?- Compared to 180hp in an RV7?
- Wow!- Just by that alone I would say your aircraft with 180 hp would
have no problem beating an RV7.- Why not put an IO-360 in a TR1?- Not j
ust an O-320.- Scott did it.
The Vne of the TR1 is listed as 216 mph IAS.- At 8k MSL this is about 250
mph true.- I do not think you will have a problem in this area.-
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: jason@hills.org
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 2:55 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
>Faster than an RV-7 might be a bit optimistic. I can almost keep up with a
n IO-360/180hp RV-7 running lean of peak in my O-290-D2 powered TR-1c, but
I'm pushing pretty hard to do that. Not sure how much more an O-320 would g
et, although in any case you'd be running really close to Vne if you could
outrun an RV.
>
>...Jason
>
>
>Oct 26, 2010 11:37:45 AM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
>
>========================
==================
>
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>No, to be honest, I hadn't considered the TR-1. I didn't think they were
>still available.
>Are they?
>
>John
>
>
>> From: Mark Kettering
>> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:27:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you conside
red a
>> TR1 with a big engine?- In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser
so
>> would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain.-
And a
>> lot less money.- Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 36
0 but
>> with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it shou
ld be
>> as fast or maybe faster then the RV7.- All will have about the same us
eful
>> load.
>>
>> Mark Kettering
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Petrie
>>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM
>>> To: KIS-List Digest Server
>>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> It=B9s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years o
f
>>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly fi
lled
>>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result,
I
>>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I ca
n
>>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was
>>> hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
>>> direction to follow.
>>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do l
ike
>>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>>
>>> Thanks in anticipation.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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Hi Mark,
=C2-
My airplane is about 850 lbs=C2-with the super heavy starter, IFR panel a
nd big engine, about 300 lbs lighter than a comparable RV.=C2- If the KIS
kit had the known deficiencies addressed and a good manual and builder sup
port it would kill any RV.=C2-=C2- I kind of wish you would have bought
the rights to everything when you had the chance.=C2-
=C2-
I wouldn't do anything in an RV that I wouldn't do a grumman tiger due to t
he in flight failure history of the RVs.=C2-
=C2-
Scott=C2-
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Hi Scott,
In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world.=C2- Fantastic
fit, instructions, factory support, third party support, options, resale va
lue and much more.=C2- But they are not the best aircraft. They are littl
e more than a kit of 1960's designs like the Grummans or others.=C2- Comp
ared to a more modern composite aircraft they really are not all that good
of performers.=C2- They tend to be slower (for a given engine and stall s
peed), have less useful load and even with being a great kit they still ten
d to cost a fair amount to finish and take a fair amount of time.=C2- Mos
t of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs empty weight!=C2- I think even your big
engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000 lbs.=C2- Or was it well under 900 lbs?
I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your plane i
s a much better choice.=C2- Yes there are problems with the TR1.=C2- Bu
t at least the wings tend to stay on.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 4:00 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>An RV fastbuild kit hands down.=C2- If you build the Cruiser then you'll
have that RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.=C2-
>=C2-
>The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for the kit,
the engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher.=C2- It is fast, bu
t the landing speed is much higher too.=C2- Unless you do a lot of long r
ange cross country and don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, then
=C2-I don't think you'll get a lot for the extra money.
>=C2-
>Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell.=C2- I kind of with I would
have built an RV.=C2-
>=C2-
>Scott
>
>--- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>To: "KIS-List Digest Server" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:08 PM
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>It=99s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 year
s of successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly f
illed by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a resul
t, I have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I c
an enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was h
oping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which direct
ion to follow.
>I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>
>Thanks in anticipation.
>John
>
>
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on Web Site -
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Message 15
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Hi Jason,
You are right, the O-290-D2 is 135 hp continuous. All of the non D2 versions are
125 hp.
Still, I think you are correct in saying the TR1 is a more efficient airframe.
I agree the cockpit is a little smaller but I think the useful load tends to
be a little higher.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: jason@hills.org
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 9:30 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
>O-290-D2 is 135 or 140hp I believe.... I burn almost 1 gph less than the 180 hp
RV7 while nearly keeping up with him (I usually got off the ground ahead of
him, and he landed 5-10 minutes ahead of me on a 3-4 hr leg). I'd have to look
up the numbers, but I believe I used about 15% less fuel round trip Seattle to
OSH in 2009 compared to the RV-7 I was flying with. Of course if he went rich
of peak and pushed for max cruise speed I would have been left well behind,
but at a pretty steep cost in extra fuel.
>
>So I'd say the TR-1 is more efficient than an RV7 (it's also a smaller cockpit).
With the same engine it should absolutely beat the RV7. On the other hand that's
a lot more engine than was originally put on the nose of the plane, and
the RV guys are tending to put on even bigger engines themselves (IO-390 etc).
>
>I've done a few things to my plane to make it a bit more efficient. I picked up
almost 5 kts changing my wheels & wheelpants to Van's pressure recovery pants
for the RV-8, for example.
>
>...Jason
>
>
>Oct 26, 2010 05:37:52 PM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
>
>==========================================
>
>
>Hi Jason,
>
>You are almost keeping up with just 125 hp? Compared to 180hp in an RV7? Wow!
Just by that alone I would say your aircraft with 180 hp would have no problem
beating an RV7. Why not put an IO-360 in a TR1? Not just an O-320. Scott
did it.
>
>The Vne of the TR1 is listed as 216 mph IAS. At 8k MSL this is about 250 mph
true. I do not think you will have a problem in this area.
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: jason@hills.org
>>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 2:55 PM
>>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>>
>>Faster than an RV-7 might be a bit optimistic. I can almost keep up with an IO-360/180hp
RV-7 running lean of peak in my O-290-D2 powered TR-1c, but I'm pushing
pretty hard to do that. Not sure how much more an O-320 would get, although
in any case you'd be running really close to Vne if you could outrun an RV.
>>
>>...Jason
>>
>>
>>Oct 26, 2010 11:37:45 AM, kis-list@matronics.com wrote:
>>
>>==========================================
>>
>>
>>Hi Mark,
>>
>>No, to be honest, I hadn't considered the TR-1. I didn't think they were
>>still available.
>>Are they?
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Mark Kettering
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:27:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Both the RV7 and the Lancair 360 are great aircraft but have you considered
a
>>> TR1 with a big engine? In many ways it is very similar to the Cruiser so
>>> would be very simple and similar for you to finish, fly and maintain. And
a
>>> lot less money. Of course it is not as fast as the complex Lancair 360 but
>>> with the same size engine and the same effort in making it clean it should
be
>>> as fast or maybe faster then the RV7. All will have about the same useful
>>> load.
>>>
>>> Mark Kettering
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Petrie
>>>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 12:08 AM
>>>> To: KIS-List Digest Server
>>>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>>>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled
>>>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I
>>>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>>>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was
>>>> hoping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
>>>> direction to follow.
>>>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
>>>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>>>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in anticipation.
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Maybe I'm overstating the RV in flight failures.=C2- I did a bit of rease
ach and it looks like only 1 RV-8 had an in flight failure, but it was the
factory airplane.=C2- 7 RV-3 have had in flight failures, but I think the
y traced to improper spar assembly.=C2-
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Hi Scott,
In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world.=C2- Fantastic
fit, instructions, factory support, third party support, options, resale va
lue and much more.=C2- But they are not the best aircraft. They are littl
e more than a kit of 1960's designs like the Grummans or others.=C2- Comp
ared to a more modern composite aircraft they really are not all that good
of performers.=C2- They tend to be slower (for a given engine and stall s
peed), have less useful load and even with being a great kit they still ten
d to cost a fair amount to finish and take a fair amount of time.=C2- Mos
t of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs empty weight!=C2- I think even your big
engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000 lbs.=C2- Or was it well under 900 lbs?
I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your plane i
s a much better choice.=C2- Yes there are problems with the TR1.=C2- Bu
t at least the wings tend to stay on.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2010 4:00 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>An RV fastbuild kit hands down.=C2- If you build the Cruiser then you'll
have that RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.=C2-
>=C2-
>The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for the kit,
the engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher.=C2- It is fast, bu
t the landing speed is much higher too.=C2- Unless you do a lot of long r
ange cross country and don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, then
=C2-I don't think you'll get a lot for the extra money.
>=C2-
>Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell.=C2- I kind of with I would
have built an RV.=C2-
>=C2-
>Scott
>
>--- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
>
>
>From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>To: "KIS-List Digest Server" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:08 PM
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>It=99s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 year
s of successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly f
illed by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a resul
t, I have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I c
an enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was h
oping someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which direct
ion to follow.
>I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>
>Thanks in anticipation.
>John
>
>
S WEB FORUMS -
on Web Site -
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
Message 17
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Mark,
You make a very good argument for the TR-1. I have a few questions though:
1. What do you mean by "...the wings tend to stay on"?
2. How does the cockpit size compare to the Lancair?
3. Is it really possible to fit an O-360 to the TR-1 and if so, what are the
CG implications?
John
> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world. Fantastic fit,
> instructions, factory support, third party support, options, resale value and
> much more. But they are not the best aircraft. They are little more than a
> kit of 1960's designs like the Grummans or others. Compared to a more modern
> composite aircraft they really are not all that good of performers. They tend
> to be slower (for a given engine and stall speed), have less useful load and
> even with being a great kit they still tend to cost a fair amount to finish
> and take a fair amount of time. Most of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs empty
> weight! I think even your big engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000 lbs. Or was
> it well under 900 lbs?
>
> I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your plane is
a
> much better choice. Yes there are problems with the TR1. But at least the
> wings tend to stay on.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 4:00 PM
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>> An RV fastbuild kit hands down. If you build the Cruiser then you'll have
>> that RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.
>>
>> The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for the kit, the
>> engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher. It is fast, but the
>> landing speed is much higher too. Unless you do a lot of long range cross
>> country and don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, thenI don't think
>> you'll get a lot for the extra money.
>>
>> Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell. I kind of with I would have
>> built an RV.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> --- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>> To: "KIS-List Digest Server" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:08 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Its been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly filled
>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result, I
>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was hoping
>> someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which direction to
>> follow.
>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do like
>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation.
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Scott,
You also made a good point earlier about flying into short strips with a
Lancair. This is definitely a possibility, as I have done many short and
bumpy strips with my Cruiser and it=B9s never been a problem.
The RV8 is also a very good possibility as it appears to have a higher
useful load than the others and a slightly faster cruise.
From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold II
Maybe I'm overstating the RV in flight failures. I did a bit of reaseach
and it looks like only 1 RV-8 had an in flight failure, but it was the
factory airplane. 7 RV-3 have had in flight failures, but I think they
traced to improper spar assembly.
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 6:47 PM
>
> <http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mantafs@earthlink.net> >
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world. Fantastic fit
,
> instructions, factory support, third party support, options, resale value
and
> much more. But they are not the best aircraft. They are little more than
a
> kit of 1960's designs like the Grummans or others. Compared to a more mo
dern
> composite aircraft they really are not all that good of performers. They
tend
> to be slower (for a given engine and stall speed), have less useful load
and
> even with being a great kit they still tend to cost a fair amount to fini
sh
> and take a fair amount of time. Most of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs empt
y
> weight! I think even your big engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000 lbs. Or
was
> it well under 900 lbs?
>
> I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your plane
is a
> much better choice. Yes there are problems with the TR1. But at least t
he
> wings tend to stay on.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com
>> <http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sstearns2@yahoo.com> >
>> >Sent: Oct 26, 2010 4:00 PM
>> >To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> <http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kis-list@matronics.com>
>> >Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>> >
>> >An RV fastbuild kit hands down. If you build the Cruiser then you'll h
ave
>> that RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.
>> >
>> >The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for the ki
t,
>> the engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher. It is fast, but
the
>> landing speed is much higher too. Unless you do a lot of long range cro
ss
>> country and don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, then I don't t
hink
>> you'll get a lot for the extra money.
>> >
>> >Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell. I kind of with I would h
ave
>> built an RV.
>> >
>> >Scott
>> >
>> >--- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za
>> <http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za
> >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za
>> <http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za
> >
>> >Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>> >To: "KIS-List Digest Server" <kis-list@matronics.com
>> <http://us.mc324.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kis-list@matronics.com> >
>> >Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:08 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >It=B9s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly fil
led
>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result,
I
>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was h
oping
>> someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which direction
to
>> follow.
>> >I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do l
ike
>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>> >Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>> >
>> >Thanks in anticipation.
>> >John
>> >
>> >
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Hi Jason,
-
I can take on the third one as I have an IO-360 (parallel valve)-in my TR
-1.- I put my battery behind the aft fuselage bulkhead to help with the C
G and I have a taildragger.- You can use you current wieght and balance a
nd just add the wieght difference with the approximate moment arm of the en
gine.- My CG is fine, I'd even like it to be a bit further forward, but m
y cowls are also carbon.-
-
I have the cowling originally intended for the IO-240 and I had to modify t
he lower cowl with the inlet from Van's.- It just bearly fits widthwise.
- I have about 1/8 inch on each side at the closest point.- Also you'll
need an angle adaptor for the oil filter or it will hit the firewall.- A
nd I needed to make the air inlets larger and the cowl exit larger for cool
ing.-
-
It would be quite a project to convert to a 360, but it works.- I still t
hink you'd be better off modifying the 290 if it will respond to mods like
the 360 does.
-
Scott
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
Mark,
You make a very good argument for the TR-1. I have a few questions though:
1. What do you mean by "...the wings tend to stay on"?
2. How does the cockpit size compare to the Lancair?
3. Is it really possible to fit an O-360 to the TR-1 and if so, what are th
e
CG implications?
John
> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
> To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world.- Fantastic f
it,
> instructions, factory support, third party support, options, resale value
and
> much more.- But they are not the best aircraft. They are little more th
an a
> kit of 1960's designs like the Grummans or others.- Compared to a more
modern
> composite aircraft they really are not all that good of performers.- Th
ey tend
> to be slower (for a given engine and stall speed), have less useful load
and
> even with being a great kit they still tend to cost a fair amount to fini
sh
> and take a fair amount of time.- Most of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs em
pty
> weight!- I think even your big engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000 lbs.
- Or was
> it well under 900 lbs?
>
> I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your plane
is a
> much better choice.- Yes there are problems with the TR1.- But at lea
st the
> wings tend to stay on.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 4:00 PM
>> To: kis-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>>
>> An RV fastbuild kit hands down.- If you build the Cruiser then you'll
have
>> that RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.-
>> -
>> The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for the kit
, the
>> engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher.- It is fast, but th
e
>> landing speed is much higher too.- Unless you do a lot of long range c
ross
>> country and don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, then-I don't
think
>> you'll get a lot for the extra money.
>> -
>> Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell.- I kind of with I would
have
>> built an RV.-
>> -
>> Scott
>>
>> --- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
>> To: "KIS-List Digest Server" <kis-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:08 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It=B9s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10 years of
>> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being constantly fil
led
>> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a result,
I
>> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which I can
>> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I was h
oping
>> someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which direction
to
>> follow.
>> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really do li
ke
>> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
>> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation.
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Scott/Mark,
I'm not planning any major engine upgrades for my plane, at least not
just yet... I just overhauled the engine 2 years ago.
Current projects are getting the bugs out of the new engine monitor
system (JPI EDM 740), improving engine cooling (problems found with the
new engine monitor), then probably adding a TruTrak autopilot coupled to
the 430W, and upgrading to a more efficient prop. Maybe after all of
that if I need more speed I'll consider doing some upgrades to the
engine....
For whoever asked, my plane is a taildragger, and I did add gear leg
intersection fairings this past summer. We considered fairing the legs
themselves, but decided it probably wasn't really worth the effort, at
least for now.
Of course I'm also building an RV-8 in my garage. Not because the KIS
isn't a good plane, just because I want to build an RV. I do appreciate
the short field performance, lower stall speed and higher aerobatic
g-limits of the RV (compared to the KIS), and I really like the tandem
design. Plus I didn't build my KIS, and I'm having a lot of fun
building. Although I've learned a TON working on the TR-1c the past 5.5
years... having now pretty much redone the firewall forward and the
panel.
...Jason
On Oct 26, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Scott Stearns wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> I can take on the third one as I have an IO-360 (parallel valve) in my
TR-1. I put my battery behind the aft fuselage bulkhead to help with
the CG and I have a taildragger. You can use you current wieght and
balance and just add the wieght difference with the approximate moment
arm of the engine. My CG is fine, I'd even like it to be a bit further
forward, but my cowls are also carbon.
>
> I have the cowling originally intended for the IO-240 and I had to
modify the lower cowl with the inlet from Van's. It just bearly fits
widthwise. I have about 1/8 inch on each side at the closest point.
Also you'll need an angle adaptor for the oil filter or it will hit the
firewall. And I needed to make the air inlets larger and the cowl exit
larger for cooling.
>
> It would be quite a project to convert to a 360, but it works. I
still think you'd be better off modifying the 290 if it will respond to
mods like the 360 does.
>
> Scott
>
> --- On Tue, 10/26/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za> wrote:
>
> From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 7:53 PM
>
<jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
>
> Mark,
>
> You make a very good argument for the TR-1. I have a few questions
though:
> 1. What do you mean by "...the wings tend to stay on"?
> 2. How does the cockpit size compare to the Lancair?
> 3. Is it really possible to fit an O-360 to the TR-1 and if so, what
are the
> CG implications?
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> > From: Mark Kettering <mantafs@earthlink.net>
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: <kis-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
> >
<mantafs@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world.
Fantastic fit,
> > instructions, factory support, third party support, options, resale
value and
> > much more. But they are not the best aircraft. They are little more
than a
> > kit of 1960's designs like the Grummans or others. Compared to a
more modern
> > composite aircraft they really are not all that good of performers.
They tend
> > to be slower (for a given engine and stall speed), have less useful
load and
> > even with being a great kit they still tend to cost a fair amount to
finish
> > and take a fair amount of time. Most of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs
empty
> > weight! I think even your big engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000
lbs. Or was
> > it well under 900 lbs?
> >
> > I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your
plane is a
> > much better choice. Yes there are problems with the TR1. But at
least the
> > wings tend to stay on.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
> >> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 4:00 PM
> >> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold
> >>
> >> An RV fastbuild kit hands down. If you build the Cruiser then
you'll have
> >> that RV done in a year if you buy that fastbuild and FWF kits.
> >>
> >> The lancair is a great airplane, but the cost is much higher for
the kit, the
> >> engine, and the RG insurance will be a lot higher. It is fast, but
the
> >> landing speed is much higher too. Unless you do a lot of long
range cross
> >> country and don't plan on flying into any shorter strips, then I
don't think
> >> you'll get a lot for the extra money.
> >>
> >> Also, a well built RV is pretty easy to sell. I kind of with I
would have
> >> built an RV.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 10/25/10, John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: John Petrie <jpetrie@sonicfactory.co.za>
> >> Subject: KIS-List: KIS Sold
> >> To: "KIS-List Digest Server" <kis-list@matronics.com>
> >> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:08 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> It=B9s been 14 years since I received my KIS Cruiser kit and 10
years of
> >> successful flying. However, the idea of the 4 seats being
constantly filled
> >> by my family appears to be more of a dream than a reality. As a
result, I
> >> have just sold my plane and am now looking for a 2 place kit which
I can
> >> enjoy with my one son who is also passionate about aircraft. So, I
was hoping
> >> someone on this list could give me some useful advice on which
direction to
> >> follow.
> >> I am currently looking at either an RV7 or a Lancair 360. I really
do like
> >> the speed of the Lancair, but also the simplicity of the RV.
> >> Does anyone have any other better suggestions and advice?
> >>
> >> Thanks in anticipation.
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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