---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/02/10: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:13 AM - Re: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? (Keith.Miller@esa.int) 2. 03:42 AM - Re: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? (haines george) 3. 10:08 AM - Re: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? (Keith.Miller@esa.int) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? From: Keith.Miller@esa.int Bob I think the TR1 you are looking at is the one built by Ray Clegg and Ray is a superb builder and very precise ( he went on to build the KIS Cruiser 4 place and a diesel powered RV7 ). if so, then it is fitted with a much stronger nose gear of Rays own design . The nose gear on early models had some problems particularly on hard landings with a cross wind . other than that i do not believe there are any other problem areas , on the plane itself, except there are no spare parts available anymore and very limited factory support available, >From my own point of view , the KIS is not a short field lander , and my personal limit is nothing at all shorter than 500m . Mine has a very sharp wing drop and a 200 ft plus recovery when it eventually stalls so i tend to come in with a bit more speed than is perhaps absolutely necessary. As far as performance figures are concerned there are only a limited number of KIS 2 places available and not many with the same engine / prop combination , but mine which has the IO240 B and a wooden fixed pitch, it cruises at 125 kts on 21 litres / hour and flat out 165 kts burns maybe 40 plus . handling in the air , mine flys mostly hands free, but is sensitive to the fuel load in each wing, it is sensitive in pitch , and it picks up speed rapidly when the nose is pointed down , It is definitely not a plane for a very low time pilot , , even after 8 years and 350 hours i still can not make a consistent good landing Keith Owner & Builder of G-OKMA ( 350 hrs plus) From: Bob Panther To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: 01/11/2010 15:58 Subject: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com Hi, My group (in the UK) is thinking about buying a 10 year old Kis Tr-1 with an 024 engine. Any input on what to look for and what to avoid (weak spots, problem areas etc) would be appreciated. Also does anyone know where I can find data on short field performance, fuel consumption and general handling etc ? Many Thanks (in advance) Bob ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:48 AM PST US From: haines george Subject: Re: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? DID RAY CLEGG NOT BUILD G BVZD ???? George Haines ----- Original Message ---- From: "Keith.Miller@esa.int" Sent: Tue, 2 November, 2010 9:11:45 Subject: Re: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? Bob I think the TR1 you are looking at is the one built by Ray Clegg and Ray is a superb builder and very precise ( he went on to build the KIS Cruiser 4 place and a diesel powered RV7 ). if so, then it is fitted with a much stronger nose gear of Rays own design . The nose gear on early models had some problems particularly on hard landings with a cross wind . other than that i do not believe there are any other problem areas , on the plane itself, except there are no spare parts available anymore and very limited factory support available, >From my own point of view , the KIS is not a short field lander , and my personal limit is nothing at all shorter than 500m . Mine has a very sharp wing drop and a 200 ft plus recovery when it eventually stalls so i tend to come in with a bit more speed than is perhaps absolutely necessary. As far as performance figures are concerned there are only a limited number of KIS 2 places available and not many with the same engine / prop combination , but mine which has the IO240 B and a wooden fixed pitch, it cruises at 125 kts on 21 litres / hour and flat out 165 kts burns maybe 40 plus . handling in the air , mine flys mostly hands free, but is sensitive to the fuel load in each wing, it is sensitive in pitch , and it picks up speed rapidly when the nose is pointed down , It is definitely not a plane for a very low time pilot , , even after 8 years and 350 hours i still can not make a consistent good landing Keith Owner & Builder of G-OKMA ( 350 hrs plus) From: Bob Panther To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: 01/11/2010 15:58 Subject: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com Hi, My group (in the UK) is thinking about buying a 10 year old Kis Tr-1 with an 024 engine. Any input on what to look for and what to avoid (weak spots, problem areas etc) would be appreciated. Also does anyone know where I can find data on short field performance, fuel consumption and general handling etc ? Many Thanks (in advance) Bob ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? From: Keith.Miller@esa.int George you are quite right, Ray built G-BVZD ( the KIS two place ) then G-BYZD ( Kis 4 place ) and then G-CCZD ( RV7 diesel) not sure what he is building now , but it will be a good one and know doubt will have a registration G-??ZD. I do not know if that is the one that this group are thinking of buying ,but i heard that it was for sale and there are not many of them in the UK so I put 2 +2 together and got 5. Keith. From: haines george To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: 02/11/2010 11:44 Subject: Re: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com DID RAY CLEGG NOT BUILD G BVZD ???? George Haines ----- Original Message ---- From: "Keith.Miller@esa.int" Sent: Tue, 2 November, 2010 9:11:45 Subject: Re: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? Bob I think the TR1 you are looking at is the one built by Ray Clegg and Ray is a superb builder and very precise ( he went on to build the KIS Cruiser 4 place and a diesel powered RV7 ). if so, then it is fitted with a much stronger nose gear of Rays own design . The nose gear on early models had some problems particularly on hard landings with a cross wind . other than that i do not believe there are any other problem areas , on the plane itself, except there are no spare parts available anymore and very limited factory support available, >From my own point of view , the KIS is not a short field lander , and my personal limit is nothing at all shorter than 500m . Mine has a very sharp wing drop and a 200 ft plus recovery when it eventually stalls so i tend to come in with a bit more speed than is perhaps absolutely necessary. As far as performance figures are concerned there are only a limited number of KIS 2 places available and not many with the same engine / prop combination , but mine which has the IO240 B and a wooden fixed pitch, it cruises at 125 kts on 21 litres / hour and flat out 165 kts burns maybe 40 plus . handling in the air , mine flys mostly hands free, but is sensitive to the fuel load in each wing, it is sensitive in pitch , and it picks up speed rapidly when the nose is pointed down , It is definitely not a plane for a very low time pilot , , even after 8 years and 350 hours i still can not make a consistent good landing Keith Owner & Builder of G-OKMA ( 350 hrs plus) From: Bob Panther To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: 01/11/2010 15:58 Subject: KIS-List: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? Sent by: owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com Hi, My group (in the UK) is thinking about buying a 10 year old Kis Tr-1 with an 024 engine. Any input on what to look for and what to avoid (weak spots, problem areas etc) would be appreciated. Also does anyone know where I can find data on short field performance, fuel consumption and general handling etc ? 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