---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/14/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: Fuel Leaks (Graham Brighton) 2. 06:53 AM - Re: Fuel Leaks (Galin Hernandez) 3. 07:55 AM - Re: Fuel Leaks (kent pyle) 4. 03:33 PM - Re: Fuel Leaks (Galin Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:02 AM PST US From: "Graham Brighton" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel Leaks Yeah ..something to think about .. fuel migrating through the honeycomb skin... I have (and the previous owner ) a mystery fuel smell in the cockpit when the tank levels are high ...have searched every where but never found a stain or any wetness .... annoying, but nothing ever found visible .... as yet .!!! Graham TR1 s/n 80 .. .. ----- Original Message ----- From: kent pyle To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: KIS-List: Fuel Leaks If you have been following this for a while, you are aware that I have been chasing fuel leaks for a few years. I learned from this exhange that fuel would creep through the wing skins. I didn't know that and thought I had new leaks. Earlier in the week, I fixed a fuel drip in a quick drain and now there is not further leaks, seeps or drips. Apparenty, fuel was creeping through the skin and coming to the surface where I thought the leaks were. Oh! Happy Day!! Kent ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:08 AM PST US From: Galin Hernandez Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel Leaks Once in a while I have had a "mystery fuel smell in the cockpit" that seemed to come from the co-pilot side but haven't been able to figure it out. It also seemed to happen more often, but not always, when the tanks were very full. I just completed a conditional inspection yesterday and found the hose between the fuel tank and the fuselage on the co-pilot side had a tiny crack in it. Nothing seeping until I wiggled it around firmly. Then a drop of fuel would form. I replaced the hoses on both sides with new ones. My A&P said that on some other airplanes, these hoses are replaced every 5yrs. Since I will be flying from Houston to Puerto Rico via Savannah, Tampa and Miami starting next week I will get a good opportunity to see if the "mystery smell" will finally go away. Galin N819PR On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Graham Brighton wrote: > Yeah ..something to think about .. fuel migrating through the honeycomb > skin... I have (and the previous owner ) a mystery fuel smell in the cockpit > when the tank levels are high ...have searched every where but never found a > stain or any wetness .... annoying, but nothing ever found visible .... as > yet .!!! > > > Graham > > TR1 s/n 80 > > . > > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* kent pyle > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:34 AM > *Subject:* KIS-List: Fuel Leaks > > If you have been following this for a while, you are aware that I have > been chasing fuel leaks for a few years. I learned from this exhange that > fuel would creep through the wing skins. I didn't know that and thought I > had new leaks. > > Earlier in the week, I fixed a fuel drip in a quick drain and now there is > not further leaks, seeps or drips. Apparenty, fuel was creeping through the > skin and coming to the surface where I thought the leaks were. Oh! Happy > Day!! > > Kent > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:58 AM PST US From: "kent pyle" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel Leaks Galin, I used the fuel hoses that have the steel mesh incorporated into the hose. Hopefully this will prevent the leaks in that area. By the way, I was talking to my mechanic about fuel leaks. He said how would you know it was an airplane, if you couldn't smell fuel. Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: Galin Hernandez To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Fuel Leaks Once in a while I have had a "mystery fuel smell in the cockpit" that seemed to come from the co-pilot side but haven't been able to figure it out. It also seemed to happen more often, but not always, when the tanks were very full. I just completed a conditional inspection yesterday and found the hose between the fuel tank and the fuselage on the co-pilot side had a tiny crack in it. Nothing seeping until I wiggled it around firmly. Then a drop of fuel would form. I replaced the hoses on both sides with new ones. My A&P said that on some other airplanes, these hoses are replaced every 5yrs. Since I will be flying from Houston to Puerto Rico via Savannah, Tampa and Miami starting next week I will get a good opportunity to see if the "mystery smell" will finally go away. Galin N819PR On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Graham Brighton wrote: Yeah ..something to think about .. fuel migrating through the honeycomb skin... I have (and the previous owner ) a mystery fuel smell in the cockpit when the tank levels are high ...have searched every where but never found a stain or any wetness .... annoying, but nothing ever found visible .... as yet .!!! Graham TR1 s/n 80 . . ----- Original Message ----- From: kent pyle To: kis-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: KIS-List: Fuel Leaks If you have been following this for a while, you are aware that I have been chasing fuel leaks for a few years. I learned from this exhange that fuel would creep through the wing skins. I didn't know that and thought I had new leaks. Earlier in the week, I fixed a fuel drip in a quick drain and now there is not further leaks, seeps or drips. Apparenty, fuel was creeping through the skin and coming to the surface where I thought the leaks were. Oh! Happy Day!! 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My mechanic told me to stay away from wing/in-line filters if possible. They just insert another possible failure point in the fuel line. More lines clog at a filter than anywhere else. He says a properly designed fuel system with a good gascolator is more than sufficient unless you have fuel injection which is another story. Galin N819PR On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:54 AM, kent pyle wrote: > Galin, I used the fuel hoses that have the steel mesh incorporated into > the hose. Hopefully this will prevent the leaks in that area. > > By the way, I was talking to my mechanic about fuel leaks. He said how > would you know it was an airplane, if you couldn't smell fuel. > > Kent > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Galin Hernandez > *To:* kis-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:50 AM > *Subject:* Re: KIS-List: Fuel Leaks > > Once in a while I have had a "mystery fuel smell in the cockpit" that > seemed to come from the co-pilot side but haven't been able to figure it > out. It also seemed to happen more often, but not always, when the tanks > were very full. > > I just completed a conditional inspection yesterday and found the hose > between the fuel tank and the fuselage on the co-pilot side had a tiny crack > in it. Nothing seeping until I wiggled it around firmly. Then a drop of fuel > would form. I replaced the hoses on both sides with new ones. My A&P said > that on some other airplanes, these hoses are replaced every 5yrs. > > Since I will be flying from Houston to Puerto Rico via Savannah, Tampa and > Miami starting next week I will get a good opportunity to see if the > "mystery smell" will finally go away. > > Galin > N819PR > > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Graham Brighton > wrote: > >> Yeah ..something to think about .. fuel migrating through the honeycomb >> skin... I have (and the previous owner ) a mystery fuel smell in the cockpit >> when the tank levels are high ...have searched every where but never found a >> stain or any wetness .... annoying, but nothing ever found visible .... as >> yet .!!! >> >> >> Graham >> >> TR1 s/n 80 >> >> . >> >> . >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* kent pyle >> *To:* kis-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:34 AM >> *Subject:* KIS-List: Fuel Leaks >> >> If you have been following this for a while, you are aware that I have >> been chasing fuel leaks for a few years. I learned from this exhange that >> fuel would creep through the wing skins. I didn't know that and thought I >> had new leaks. >> >> Earlier in the week, I fixed a fuel drip in a quick drain and now there is >> not further leaks, seeps or drips. Apparenty, fuel was creeping through the >> skin and coming to the surface where I thought the leaks were. Oh! Happy >> Day!! >> >> Kent >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com* >> >> > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > ------------------------------ > - Release Date: 11/14/10 01:34:00 > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.