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1. 03:19 AM - Re: to those that still have matco brakes... (Graham Brighton)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: to those that still have matco brakes... (Bill Schertz)
3. 07:44 AM - Re: to those that still have matco brakes... (John Forster)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: to those that still have matco brakes... (kent pyle)
5. 09:44 AM - Re: to those that still have matco brakes... (F. Tim Yoder)
6. 10:02 AM - Re: to those that still have matco brakes... (Bob and Kathy)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: to those that still have matco brakes... (Scott Stearns)
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| Subject: | Re: to those that still have matco brakes... |
Hey there Scott,
I have the Matco brakes ..so thx will
check out the 'kit' ... Back last April while test flying a rebuilt
Subaru transplant ..a inlet valve head broke off and caused a forced
landing ....have since been hung up with finding an engine build shop
that i'm confidant with .. to build another Subaru engine that i'd fly
behind ......Am looking at a mid time IO-360 .... Can u tell me the
weight of urs (all up complete with accessories but no prop ) ...
Would be a big turn around for me to go this way .. but am presently
'looking' at all possibilities ...!!
Cheers
Graham (TR1 # 80 )
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:10 AM
Subject: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Matco makes a 'brake intensifier kit' for the master cylinders.
It's basically a sleeve that lets you use a smaller piston so you get
more brake pressure per foot pressure.
I got the kit and installed it. It's not a night and day
difference, but a noticable improvment. Without the kit my matco brakes
were inadequate, but I would call them acceptable with the kit.
The kit is complete, but for some reason that I don't understand
they make the customer trim down the sleeve to fit. The kits are only
$16 so I'd recomment buying and extra one in case the sleeve trimming
doesn't go well on one.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: to those that still have matco brakes... |
I have a TR-4, that came with Matco Brakes. At first start-up and taxi,
the braking action was very poor, and uneven. I could not turn right.
Diagnosis revealed that one caliper had leaked, contaminating the
surface. I cleaned that up, and it was =98better=99 but
still not good. Did the exercise of pulling the plane and riding the
brakes to =98burn them in=99 and that helped quite a bit.
Found that one caliper was still leaking, so contacted Matco.
Turns out that they had been bought out by a new owner since my original
brakes were made. several changes were available.
1. a larger caliper cylinders
2. a more aggressive brake pad, and
3. they changed the material that the rotor was made of , and when I
removed my calipers to send them back to be retrofit, I found that one
of the rotors had a crack in it. Discussion with Matco revealed that
the original rotors (which I had) were made from an easily machined
material that contained graphitic carbon (which can act as a lubricant
=93 good for machining and bad for braking), and the new rotors
were made of a different alloy. Bottom line =93 I upgraded the
caliper cylinders, and the rotors.
I have great braking now. Will hold the plane at full throttle on the
ground (if the tires don=99t slide on the pavement). I paid
attention to the geometry at the master cylinders from the Matco
literature, and did not use the wimpy brake pedals that KIS supplied.
By the way, I completed my 40 hour test requirement yesterday.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
From: Graham Brighton
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Hey there Scott,
I have the Matco brakes ..so thx will
check out the 'kit' ... Back last April while test flying a rebuilt
Subaru transplant ..a inlet valve head broke off and caused a forced
landing ....have since been hung up with finding an engine build shop
that i'm confidant with .. to build another Subaru engine that i'd fly
behind ......Am looking at a mid time IO-360 .... Can u tell me the
weight of urs (all up complete with accessories but no prop ) ...
Would be a big turn around for me to go this way .. but am presently
'looking' at all possibilities ...!!
Cheers
Graham (TR1 # 80 )
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:10 AM
Subject: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Matco makes a 'brake intensifier kit' for the master cylinders.
It's basically a sleeve that lets you use a smaller piston so you get
more brake pressure per foot pressure.
I got the kit and installed it. It's not a night and day
difference, but a noticable improvment. Without the kit my matco brakes
were inadequate, but I would call them acceptable with the kit.
The kit is complete, but for some reason that I don't understand
they make the customer trim down the sleeve to fit. The kits are only
$16 so I'd recomment buying and extra one in case the sleeve trimming
doesn't go well on one.
Scott
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| Subject: | to those that still have matco brakes... |
Bill,
Did they offer some discount for the upgrade process? I am still
leaning toward replacing everything with Grove, but I am interested in
the positive changes that Matco made.
And congrats on the testing milestone!
John
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[mailto:owner-kis-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schertz
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
I have a TR-4, that came with Matco Brakes. At first start-up and taxi,
the braking action was very poor, and uneven. I could not turn right.
Diagnosis revealed that one caliper had leaked, contaminating the
surface. I cleaned that up, and it was 'better' but still not good. Did
the exercise of pulling the plane and riding the brakes to 'burn them
in' and that helped quite a bit.
Found that one caliper was still leaking, so contacted Matco.
Turns out that they had been bought out by a new owner since my original
brakes were made. several changes were available.
1. a larger caliper cylinders
2. a more aggressive brake pad, and
3. they changed the material that the rotor was made of , and when I
removed my calipers to send them back to be retrofit, I found that one
of the rotors had a crack in it. Discussion with Matco revealed that
the original rotors (which I had) were made from an easily machined
material that contained graphitic carbon (which can act as a lubricant -
good for machining and bad for braking), and the new rotors were made of
a different alloy. Bottom line - I upgraded the caliper cylinders, and
the rotors.
I have great braking now. Will hold the plane at full throttle on the
ground (if the tires don't slide on the pavement). I paid attention to
the geometry at the master cylinders from the Matco literature, and did
not use the wimpy brake pedals that KIS supplied.
By the way, I completed my 40 hour test requirement yesterday.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
From: Graham Brighton <mailto:gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Hey there Scott,
I have the Matco brakes ..so thx will
check out the 'kit' ... Back last April while test flying a rebuilt
Subaru transplant ..a inlet valve head broke off and caused a forced
landing ....have since been hung up with finding an engine build shop
that i'm confidant with .. to build another Subaru engine that i'd fly
behind ......Am looking at a mid time IO-360 .... Can u tell me the
weight of urs (all up complete with accessories but no prop ) ...
Would be a big turn around for me to go this way .. but am presently
'looking' at all possibilities ...!!
Cheers
Graham (TR1 # 80 )
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns <mailto:sstearns2@yahoo.com>
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:10 AM
Subject: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Matco makes a 'brake intensifier kit' for the master cylinders. It's
basically a sleeve that lets you use a smaller piston so you get more
brake pressure per foot pressure.
I got the kit and installed it. It's not a night and day difference,
but a noticable improvment. Without the kit my matco brakes were
inadequate, but I would call them acceptable with the kit.
The kit is complete, but for some reason that I don't understand they
make the customer trim down the sleeve to fit. The kits are only $16 so
I'd recomment buying and extra one in case the sleeve trimming doesn't
go well on one.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: to those that still have matco brakes... |
Bill, I am most happy to hear you have completed the required testing
time. Come see me when you fly into KC and we will do lunch. Kent
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
I have a TR-4, that came with Matco Brakes. At first start-up and
taxi, the braking action was very poor, and uneven. I could not turn
right. Diagnosis revealed that one caliper had leaked, contaminating
the surface. I cleaned that up, and it was =98better=99 but
still not good. Did the exercise of pulling the plane and riding the
brakes to =98burn them in=99 and that helped quite a bit.
Found that one caliper was still leaking, so contacted Matco.
Turns out that they had been bought out by a new owner since my
original brakes were made. several changes were available.
1. a larger caliper cylinders
2. a more aggressive brake pad, and
3. they changed the material that the rotor was made of , and when I
removed my calipers to send them back to be retrofit, I found that one
of the rotors had a crack in it. Discussion with Matco revealed that
the original rotors (which I had) were made from an easily machined
material that contained graphitic carbon (which can act as a lubricant
=93 good for machining and bad for braking), and the new rotors
were made of a different alloy. Bottom line =93 I upgraded the
caliper cylinders, and the rotors.
I have great braking now. Will hold the plane at full throttle on the
ground (if the tires don=99t slide on the pavement). I paid
attention to the geometry at the master cylinders from the Matco
literature, and did not use the wimpy brake pedals that KIS supplied.
By the way, I completed my 40 hour test requirement yesterday.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
From: Graham Brighton
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:16 AM
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Hey there Scott,
I have the Matco brakes ..so thx will
check out the 'kit' ... Back last April while test flying a rebuilt
Subaru transplant ..a inlet valve head broke off and caused a forced
landing ....have since been hung up with finding an engine build shop
that i'm confidant with .. to build another Subaru engine that i'd fly
behind ......Am looking at a mid time IO-360 .... Can u tell me the
weight of urs (all up complete with accessories but no prop ) ...
Would be a big turn around for me to go this way .. but am presently
'looking' at all possibilities ...!!
Cheers
Graham (TR1 # 80 )
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:10 AM
Subject: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Matco makes a 'brake intensifier kit' for the master
cylinders. It's basically a sleeve that lets you use a smaller piston
so you get more brake pressure per foot pressure.
I got the kit and installed it. It's not a night and day
difference, but a noticable improvment. Without the kit my matco brakes
were inadequate, but I would call them acceptable with the kit.
The kit is complete, but for some reason that I don't
understand they make the customer trim down the sleeve to fit. The kits
are only $16 so I'd recomment buying and extra one in case the sleeve
trimming doesn't go well on one.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: to those that still have matco brakes... |
Congratulations on the 40 hrs.!!!
I met George (Matco) at OSH last year and and got that same information.
I ordered the new discs and pads that I will install at the next annual.
I think John would be satisfied with the Matco Brakes with the upgrades.
'OC' told about his efforts in changing his Matco to Grove and I think
it was quite a bit of work.
Happy flying,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Schertz
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
I have a TR-4, that came with Matco Brakes. At first start-up and
taxi, the braking action was very poor, and uneven. I could not turn
right. Diagnosis revealed that one caliper had leaked, contaminating
the surface. I cleaned that up, and it was =98better=99 but
still not good. Did the exercise of pulling the plane and riding the
brakes to =98burn them in=99 and that helped quite a bit.
Found that one caliper was still leaking, so contacted Matco.
Turns out that they had been bought out by a new owner since my
original brakes were made. several changes were available.
1. a larger caliper cylinders
2. a more aggressive brake pad, and
3. they changed the material that the rotor was made of , and when I
removed my calipers to send them back to be retrofit, I found that one
of the rotors had a crack in it. Discussion with Matco revealed that
the original rotors (which I had) were made from an easily machined
material that contained graphitic carbon (which can act as a lubricant
=93 good for machining and bad for braking), and the new rotors
were made of a different alloy. Bottom line =93 I upgraded the
caliper cylinders, and the rotors.
I have great braking now. Will hold the plane at full throttle on the
ground (if the tires don=99t slide on the pavement). I paid
attention to the geometry at the master cylinders from the Matco
literature, and did not use the wimpy brake pedals that KIS supplied.
By the way, I completed my 40 hour test requirement yesterday.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
From: Graham Brighton
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:16 AM
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Hey there Scott,
I have the Matco brakes ..so thx will
check out the 'kit' ... Back last April while test flying a rebuilt
Subaru transplant ..a inlet valve head broke off and caused a forced
landing ....have since been hung up with finding an engine build shop
that i'm confidant with .. to build another Subaru engine that i'd fly
behind ......Am looking at a mid time IO-360 .... Can u tell me the
weight of urs (all up complete with accessories but no prop ) ...
Would be a big turn around for me to go this way .. but am presently
'looking' at all possibilities ...!!
Cheers
Graham (TR1 # 80 )
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
To: kis-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:10 AM
Subject: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Matco makes a 'brake intensifier kit' for the master
cylinders. It's basically a sleeve that lets you use a smaller piston
so you get more brake pressure per foot pressure.
I got the kit and installed it. It's not a night and day
difference, but a noticable improvment. Without the kit my matco brakes
were inadequate, but I would call them acceptable with the kit.
The kit is complete, but for some reason that I don't
understand they make the customer trim down the sleeve to fit. The kits
are only $16 so I'd recomment buying and extra one in case the sleeve
trimming doesn't go well on one.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: to those that still have matco brakes... |
To any one who may be interested. I have a complete set of Clevelands for a
=0ATR-1. Includes master cylinders, 5" wheels and tires if needed=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Forster <jforster@ba
isch.com>=0ATo: kis-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, January 10, 2011 9:40:0
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=0A =0ABill,=0A =0ADid they offer some discount for the upgrade process? I
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testing milestone!=0A =0AJohn=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A
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leaked, contaminating the surface. I cleaned that =0Aup, and it was
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Matco.=0A =0ATurns out that they had been bought out by a new owner since
my original brakes =0Awere made. several changes were available.=0A1. a lar
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ers to send them back to be retrofit, I found that one of the rotors had a
=0Acrack in it. Discussion with Matco revealed that the original rotors (w
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aphitic carbon =0A(which can act as a lubricant =93 good for machinin
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the ground (if =0Athe tires don=99t slide on the pavement). I paid
attention to the geometry at the =0Amaster cylinders from the Matco literat
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to those that still have matco brakes...=0A =0AHey there Scott,=0A
I have the Matco brakes ..so thx will check out =0Athe
'kit' ... Back last April while test flying a rebuilt Subaru transplant .
.a =0Ainlet valve head broke off and caused a forced landing ....have since
been hung =0Aup with finding an engine build shop that i'm confidant with
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ties ...!!=0A =0ACheers=0AGraham (TR1 # 80 )=0A =0A.=0A----- Original Mess
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day, January 10, 2011 5:10 AM=0A>Subject:KIS-List: to those that still have
matco brakes...=0A> =0A>Matco makes a 'brake intensifier kit' for the ma
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piston so you get more brake =0A>pressure per foot pressure.=0A> =0A>I got
the kit and installed it. It's not a night and day difference, but a =0A
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but I =0A>would call them acceptable with the kit. =0A>=0A> =0A>The kit
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| Subject: | Re: to those that still have matco brakes... |
Hello,
-
I have carbon wings, cowl and control surfaces, a parallel valve IO-360, an
d a wood/composite prince prop and it weighs about 850 lbs.-
-
-If I were looking for the same performance as the subaru-I'd buy a mid
to high time-O-235 and pull the cylinders and have the heads ported and
put in high compression pistons.- You could get at least 130HP out of it.
- I'd recommend lycon in CA-for the head-work and pistons.-
-
You could do the same with a 320 and get 180-190 HP.- My "180 HP" 360 did
227 HP on the test cell with ported heads and 10:1 pistons and some other
minor stuff.- It's a great engine, but cooling it at high power has been
a big project.
-
The 360 requires major cowl work for induction and increase cooling and it
just bearly fits under the cowl.- I have about 1/8" on each side.-
-
Scott
-
-
--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au> wrote:
From: Graham Brighton <gbrighton@skymesh.com.au>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Hey there Scott,
-------------------------
---- I have the Matco brakes ..so thx will check out the 'kit' ...
- Back last April-while test flying a rebuilt Subaru transplant ..a inl
et valve head broke off and caused a-forced landing ....have since been h
ung up with finding an engine build shop that i'm confidant with ..-to bu
ild another Subaru engine -that i'd fly behind ......Am looking at a mid
time IO-360 .... Can u tell me the weight of urs (all up complete with acce
ssories but no prop )- ...
-
Would be a big turn around for me to go this way .. but am presently 'looki
ng' at all possibilities ...!!
-
Cheers
Graham- (TR1 # 80 )
-
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Stearns
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:10 AM
Subject: KIS-List: to those that still have matco brakes...
Matco makes a 'brake intensifier kit' for the master cylinders.- It's bas
ically a sleeve that lets you use a smaller piston so-you get more brake
pressure per foot pressure.
-
I got the kit and installed it.- It's not a night and day difference, but
a noticable improvment.- Without the kit my matco brakes were inadequate
, but I would call them acceptable with the kit.-
-
The kit is complete, but for some reason that I don't understand they make
the customer trim down the sleeve to fit.- The kits are only $16 so I'd r
ecomment buying and extra one in case the sleeve trimming doesn't go well o
n one.-
-
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