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1. 04:39 AM - Re: Engines (Mark Kettering)
2. 09:40 AM - Re: Engines (Flyinisfun@aol.com)
3. 10:44 AM - Re: Engines (Scott Stearns)
4. 12:01 PM - Re: Engines ()
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Hello Jesse,
Also keep in mind that Scott's wing is extended and has about 2 feet more span
and almost 10% more area. Of course the added fuel load in the wing is distributed
and does not load the spar.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2011 9:46 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
>
>Hi Jesse,
>
>My weight is about 200 lbs, the airplane empty is 850 lbs (I could drop 20 pounds
by gonig to a light weight starter and a lighter, smallerbattery). I called
the gross weight 1700 lbs for the FAA, but it would be tough to get the zero
fuel weight over 1300 lbs. The airplane holds at least100 gallons of fuel (Maybe
more, I haven't filled it all the way up yet, but 100 was the goal, the most
I've flown with is 55 gallons). So me and the airplane wiegh 1050 lbs and
100 gallons of fuel is about 650 pounds. Full main tanks is 45 gallons, 270 pounds,
so two of me and full main tanks is 1520 lbs. Anyhow, hopefully the info
you're looking for is here somewhere.
>
>Scott
>
>
>--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 3:20 PM
>
>
>Scott,
>
>What is your weight? and what do your anticipate your weight to be with a passanger?
What do you consider to be absolute gross?
>
> Jesse
>
>
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Hi Mark,
When I saw the 1700 limit I assumed he was building the Cruiser. How did
he extend his wing and what engineering did he do for it? Is it just an
extention and how far. Any details? I missed that.
Jesse
Hello Jesse,
Also keep in mind that Scott's wing is extended and has about 2 feet more
span and almost 10% more area. Of course the added fuel load in the wing
is distributed and does not load the spar.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2011 9:46 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
>
>Hi Jesse,
>
>My weight is about 200 lbs, the airplane empty is 850 lbs (I could drop
20 pounds by gonig to a light weight starter and a lighter, smaller
battery). I called the gross weight 1700 lbs for the FAA, but it would be tough
to
get the zero fuel weight over 1300 lbs. The airplane holds at least 100
gallons of fuel (Maybe more, I haven't filled it all the way up yet, but 100
was the goal, the most I've flown with is 55 gallons). So me and the
airplane wiegh 1050 lbs and 100 gallons of fuel is about 650 pounds. Full main
tanks is 45 gallons, 270 pounds, so two of me and full main tanks is 1520
lbs. Anyhow, hopefully the info you're looking for is here somewhere.
>
>Scott
>
>
>--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 3:20 PM
>
>
>Scott,
>
>What is your weight? and what do your anticipate your weight to be with a
passanger? What do you consider to be absolute gross?
>
> Jesse
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The high-1700 max gross is for fuel which is span loaded so it really doe
sn't effect the structure.- My spar caps are also 50% thicker and the spa
r shear-web is carbon-which more then takes care of the additional load
s due to the increased bending.- The material I used to make the spar cap
s is 50% thicker then the material rich used, so I just stuck with the orig
inal lay up schedule rather than calculating a new lay up shedule.- I cou
ld have saved a bit of weight in the spar by doing some engineering, but I
was short on time at the time.-
-
My zero fuel weight, or really fuselage weight,-will not be any higher th
en the factory rating which is the main concern structually.- My biggest
concern structually is the engine mount.- I have a 300 pound engine hangi
ng on a mount intended for a-lighter engine.- If I go to a heavy consta
nt speed prop I'll analyze the mount.-
-
I extended the wing by building the wing skins a little long.- I haven't
seen my airplane next to a factory airplane yet, so I'm not sure how differ
ent it really is.- The wing skins go about-10 inches-past the end of
the spar and my wingtips add a few more inches.
-
Scott.
-
Scott
--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com> wrote:
From: Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com>
Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
Hi Mark,
When I saw the 1700 limit I assumed he was building the Cruiser.- How did
he extend his wing and what engineering did he do for it?- Is it just an
extention and how far.- Any details?- I missed that.
-- Jesse
-
-
Hello Jesse,
Also keep in mind that Scott's wing is extended and has about 2 feet more s
pan and almost 10% more area.- Of course the added fuel load in the wing
is distributed and does not load the spar.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2011 9:46 PM
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
>
>Hi Jesse,
>-
>My weight is about 200 lbs, the airplane empty is 850 lbs (I could drop 20
pounds by gonig to a light weight starter and a lighter, smaller-battery
).- I called the gross weight 1700 lbs for the FAA, but it would be tough
to get the zero fuel weight over 1300 lbs.- - The airplane holds at le
ast-100 gallons of fuel (Maybe more, I haven't filled it all the way up y
et, but 100 was the goal, the most I've flown with is 55 gallons).- So me
and the airplane wiegh 1050 lbs and 100 gallons of fuel is about 650 pound
s.- Full main tanks is 45 gallons, 270 pounds, so two of me and full main
tanks is 1520 lbs.- Anyhow, hopefully the info you're looking for is her
e somewhere.
>-
>Scott
>-
>
>--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
>To: kis-list@matronics.com
>Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 3:20 PM
>
>
>Scott,
>-
>What is your weight? and what do your anticipate your weight to be with a
passanger?- What do you consider to be absolute gross?
>-
>------ Jesse
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I have seen Scott's plane and it looks just like a KIS TR1 taildragger....a very
well built KIS. Once the paint was on and without another standing along side,
the differences were not perseptable to me. Makes me envious every time I
see it. :-) Larry
---- Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The high1700 max gross is for fuel which is span loaded so it really doesn't
effect the structure. My spar caps are also 50% thicker and the spar shearweb
is carbonwhich more then takes care of the additional loads due to the increased
bending. The material I used to make the spar caps is 50% thicker then the
material rich used, so I just stuck with the original lay up schedule rather than
calculating a new lay up shedule. I could have saved a bit of weight in the
spar by doing some engineering, but I was short on time at the time.
>
> My zero fuel weight, or really fuselage weight,will not be any higher then the
factory rating which is the main concern structually. My biggest concern structually
is the engine mount. I have a 300 pound engine hanging on a mount intended
for alighter engine. If I go to a heavy constant speed prop I'll analyze
the mount.
>
> I extended the wing by building the wing skins a little long. I haven't seen
my airplane next to a factory airplane yet, so I'm not sure how different it really
is. The wing skins go about10 inchespast the end of the spar and my wingtips
add a few more inches.
>
> Scott.
>
> Scott
>
> --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
> To: kis-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 9:38 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Mark,
> When I saw the 1700 limit I assumed he was building the Cruiser. How did he extend
his wing and what engineering did he do for it? Is it just an extention
and how far. Any details? I missed that.
> Jesse
>
>
> Hello Jesse,
>
> Also keep in mind that Scott's wing is extended and has about 2 feet more span
and almost 10% more area. Of course the added fuel load in the wing is distributed
and does not load the spar.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Jan 13, 2011 9:46 PM
> >To: kis-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
> >
> >Hi Jesse,
> >
> >My weight is about 200 lbs, the airplane empty is 850 lbs (I could drop 20 pounds
by gonig to a light weight starter and a lighter, smallerbattery). I called
the gross weight 1700 lbs for the FAA, but it would be tough to get the zero
fuel weight over 1300 lbs. The airplane holds at least100 gallons of fuel
(Maybe more, I haven't filled it all the way up yet, but 100 was the goal, the
most I've flown with is 55 gallons). So me and the airplane wiegh 1050 lbs and
100 gallons of fuel is about 650 pounds. Full main tanks is 45 gallons, 270
pounds, so two of me and full main tanks is 1520 lbs. Anyhow, hopefully the info
you're looking for is here somewhere.
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >
> >--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: Flyinisfun@aol.com <Flyinisfun@aol.com>
> >Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines
> >To: kis-list@matronics.com
> >Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 3:20 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Scott,
> >
> >What is your weight? and what do your anticipate your weight to be with a passanger?
What do you consider to be absolute gross?
> >
> > Jesse
>
>
>
>
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