---------------------------------------------------------- KIS-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/18/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:34 AM - Re: Engines (Scott Stearns) 2. 01:54 AM - Re: Engines (Scott Stearns) 3. 06:37 AM - Re: Engines (Bill Schertz) 4. 11:56 AM - Re: Engines (Scott Stearns) 5. 12:40 PM - Re: Engines (ALFRED ROSA) 6. 02:24 PM - Maneuvering Speed SAIB () 7. 06:07 PM - Re: Engines (Bill Schertz) 8. 08:01 PM - Re: Maneuvering Speed SAIB (F. Tim Yoder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:01 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Hi Graham, - I don't mind using a relief bottle.- Also going multiple legs without ref ueling can be useful.- For instance I was flying down in the Bahamas over the summer and it would have saved a good amount of money to have been abl e to fill up with $4 gallon gas in the US and not have to buy the $6+/gallo n gas in the Bahamas.- - Basically I can do two 3 hour legs and land with full main tanks (40 gallon s), but I would have to do it solo.- For instance I'll flying from Califo rnia to Florida at some point.- Right now there are some airports in texa s that are selling 100LL for $3.50/gallon.- I could fly from Texas to Flo rida and half way back with the cheap gas even if I wanted to-stop a coup le times. - Good luck with the subaru engine. What kind of power are you expecting and at what cost?- What kind of electical system are you running to have back up power for the engine computer? - Scott - - --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Graham Brighton wrote: From: Graham Brighton Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Scott, ------------ My Internet has been interrupted latel y (flooding up north) ..so couldn't get back-straight away ..- Good thi nking on being able to-hold HP up high ..have to wonder about 'watering t he horse' -though with all that fuel endurance .... My 'endurance'- due bladder -..!!! is only a couple of hrs though ..!!! - On my engine build ... well the engine is in some ways the easy part and i do like water for head cooling etc -...but the Redrive-with an auto con version is-much more problematic .. !!! -Should come in under 300lbs .. . will re total the weights this week .. - Hey ..Bill Schertz ...how bout chiming in with some back up with ur Cruiser .... it has a Rotary rite ..or ..or ..? - Cheers - Graham (TR1 #80) - - - - - =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:55 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Hi Bill, =C2- What rotary are you using?=C2- What kind of power?=C2- What's your empt y wieght? =C2- Just curious... =C2- Scott =C2- --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Bill Schertz wrote: From: Bill Schertz Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Yes, I have installed a Mazda Rotary (Wankel) engine in my TR-4. I don =99t have a Firewall Forward weight per-se, but my weight and balance ca me out okay, with any configuration of fuel and one person (pilot) it has a CG near the forward allowed, so I conclude that it is comparable to an O-3 60 all up weight. =C2- I have just finished the 40 hours and am working on reducing the data. I ma y repeat some tests, because near the end I did another Pitot Static test a nd had a leak that had to be fixed. After I repeat some of the numbers to v erify them I will post the results. =C2- Weather is crummy here, and I am traveling during February and part of Marc h, so it may be a while. =C2- Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing =C2- From: Graham Brighton Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines =C2- Scott, =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- My Internet has been interrupted lately (flooding up north) ..so couldn't get back straight away ..=C2- Good thinking on being able to hold HP up high ..have to wonder about 'watering the horse'=C2- though with all that fue l endurance .... My 'endurance'=C2- due bladder=C2- ..!!! is only a cou ple of hrs though ..!!! =C2- On my engine build ... well the engine is in some ways the easy part and i do like water for head cooling etc=C2- ...but the Redrive with an auto co nversion is much more problematic .. !!!=C2- Should come in under 300lbs ... will re total the weights this week .. =C2- Hey ..Bill Schertz ...how bout chiming in with some back up with ur Cruiser .... it has a Rotary rite ..or ..or ..? =C2- Cheers =C2- Graham (TR1 #80) =C2- =C2- =C2- - =C2- =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:34 AM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines I am using Mazda 13-B engine, with a 2.85:1 reduction to the prop. I was hoping for 180 hp, but think I am getting more like 160 at this time (still tweaking). Empty weight is 1488, which is heavier than the prototype, but I also have more interior, more instrumentation, more lights, etc. than the prototype. At least 20# is attributed to the muffler system for the engine. Alternative engines are not for everyone =93 it clearly added a couple of years to my build time. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS From: Scott Stearns Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:53 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Hi Bill, What rotary are you using? What kind of power? What's your empty wieght? Just curious... Scott --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Bill Schertz wrote: From: Bill Schertz Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:50 PM Yes, I have installed a Mazda Rotary (Wankel) engine in my TR-4. I don=99t have a Firewall Forward weight per-se, but my weight and balance came out okay, with any configuration of fuel and one person (pilot) it has a CG near the forward allowed, so I conclude that it is comparable to an O-360 all up weight. I have just finished the 40 hours and am working on reducing the data. I may repeat some tests, because near the end I did another Pitot Static test and had a leak that had to be fixed. After I repeat some of the numbers to verify them I will post the results. Weather is crummy here, and I am traveling during February and part of March, so it may be a while. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing From: Graham Brighton Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:30 AM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Scott, My Internet has been interrupted lately (flooding up north) ..so couldn't get back straight away .. Good thinking on being able to hold HP up high ..have to wonder about 'watering the horse' though with all that fuel endurance .... My 'endurance' due bladder ..!!! is only a couple of hrs though ..!!! On my engine build ... well the engine is in some ways the easy part and i do like water for head cooling etc ...but the Redrive with an auto conversion is much more problematic .. !!! Should come in under 300lbs ... will re total the weights this week .. Hey ..Bill Schertz ...how bout chiming in with some back up with ur Cruiser .... it has a Rotary rite ..or ..or ..? Cheers Graham (TR1 #80) - =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:14 AM PST US From: Scott Stearns Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines We all could have saved a lot of years by just buying a flying airplane... but what fun would that be. =C2- Are you using the turbo? =C2- --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Bill Schertz wrote: From: Bill Schertz Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines I am using=C2- Mazda 13-B engine, with a 2.85:1 reduction to the prop.=C2 - I was hoping for 180 hp, but think I am getting more like 160 at this t ime (still tweaking). Empty weight is 1488, which is heavier than the proto type, but I also have more interior, more instrumentation, more lights, etc . than the prototype. At least 20# is attributed to the muffler system for the engine. =C2- Alternative engines are not for everyone =93 it clearly added a coupl e of years to my build time. =C2- Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS =C2- From: Scott Stearns Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:53 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines =C2- Hi Bill, =C2- What rotary are you using?=C2- What kind of power?=C2- What's your empt y wieght? =C2- Just curious... =C2- Scott =C2- --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Bill Schertz wrote: From: Bill Schertz Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Yes, I have installed a Mazda Rotary (Wankel) engine in my TR-4. I don =99t have a Firewall Forward weight per-se, but my weight and balance ca me out okay, with any configuration of fuel and one person (pilot) it has a CG near the forward allowed, so I conclude that it is comparable to an O-3 60 all up weight. =C2- I have just finished the 40 hours and am working on reducing the data. I ma y repeat some tests, because near the end I did another Pitot Static test a nd had a leak that had to be fixed. After I repeat some of the numbers to v erify them I will post the results. =C2- Weather is crummy here, and I am traveling during February and part of Marc h, so it may be a while. =C2- Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing =C2- From: Graham Brighton Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:30 AM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines =C2- Scott, =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- My Internet has been interrupted lately (flooding up north) ..so couldn't get back straight away ..=C2- Good thinking on being able to hold HP up high ..have to wonder about 'watering the horse'=C2- though with all that fue l endurance .... My 'endurance'=C2- due bladder=C2- ..!!! is only a cou ple of hrs though ..!!! =C2- On my engine build ... well the engine is in some ways the easy part and i do like water for head cooling etc=C2- ...but the Redrive with an auto co nversion is much more problematic .. !!!=C2- Should come in under 300lbs ... will re total the weights this week .. =C2- Hey ..Bill Schertz ...how bout chiming in with some back up with ur Cruiser .... it has a Rotary rite ..or ..or ..? =C2- Cheers =C2- Graham (TR1 #80) =C2- =C2- =C2- - =C2- =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines From: ALFRED ROSA > > Alternative engines are not for everyone ' it clearly added a couple of > years to my build time. > > * And a few gray hairs I bet. * > > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser #4045 > N343BS > > * > * > > > - > > ** > > * > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:47 PM PST US From: Subject: KIS-List: Maneuvering Speed SAIB 1/18/2011 Hello Fellow Builders and pilots. I found this FAA SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS INFORMATION BULLETIN of interest: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgSAIB.nsf/dc7bd4f27e5f107486257221005f069d/3c00e5aa64a2827e8625781c00744393/$FILE/CE-11-17.pdf A copy is also attached to this email / posting. OC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:43 PM PST US From: "Bill Schertz" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines No turbo Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing From: Scott Stearns Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:54 PM Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines We all could have saved a lot of years by just buying a flying airplane... but what fun would that be. Are you using the turbo? --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Bill Schertz wrote: From: Bill Schertz Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 6:35 AM I am using Mazda 13-B engine, with a 2.85:1 reduction to the prop. I was hoping for 180 hp, but think I am getting more like 160 at this time (still tweaking). Empty weight is 1488, which is heavier than the prototype, but I also have more interior, more instrumentation, more lights, etc. than the prototype. At least 20# is attributed to the muffler system for the engine. Alternative engines are not for everyone =93 it clearly added a couple of years to my build time. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS From: Scott Stearns Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:53 AM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Hi Bill, What rotary are you using? What kind of power? What's your empty wieght? Just curious... Scott --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Bill Schertz wrote: From: Bill Schertz Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines To: kis-list@matronics.com Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:50 PM Yes, I have installed a Mazda Rotary (Wankel) engine in my TR-4. I don=99t have a Firewall Forward weight per-se, but my weight and balance came out okay, with any configuration of fuel and one person (pilot) it has a CG near the forward allowed, so I conclude that it is comparable to an O-360 all up weight. I have just finished the 40 hours and am working on reducing the data. I may repeat some tests, because near the end I did another Pitot Static test and had a leak that had to be fixed. After I repeat some of the numbers to verify them I will post the results. Weather is crummy here, and I am traveling during February and part of March, so it may be a while. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing From: Graham Brighton Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:30 AM To: kis-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: KIS-List: Engines Scott, My Internet has been interrupted lately (flooding up north) ..so couldn't get back straight away .. Good thinking on being able to hold HP up high ..have to wonder about 'watering the horse' though with all that fuel endurance .... My 'endurance' due bladder ..!!! is only a couple of hrs though ..!!! On my engine build ... well the engine is in some ways the easy part and i do like water for head cooling etc ...but the Redrive with an auto conversion is much more problematic .. !!! Should come in under 300lbs ... will re total the weights this week .. Hey ..Bill Schertz ...how bout chiming in with some back up with ur Cruiser .... it has a Rotary rite ..or ..or ..? Cheers Graham (TR1 #80) - =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronhre f="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?KIS-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?KIS-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:40 PM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: KIS-List: Maneuvering Speed SAIB Thanks 'OC', a good reminder! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:21 PM Subject: KIS-List: Maneuvering Speed SAIB > 1/18/2011 > > Hello Fellow Builders and pilots. I found this FAA SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS > INFORMATION BULLETIN of interest: > > http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgSAIB.nsf/dc7bd4f27e5f107486257221005f069d/3c00e5aa64a2827e8625781c00744393/$FILE/CE-11-17.pdf > > A copy is also attached to this email / posting. > > OC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kis-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/KIS-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kis-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kis-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.